Are The Canucks Really Off The Rails

Forums/Armchair-GM

Page 1 of 1

Created by: NorthernLeafsFan05

Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 31, 2023

Published: Jan. 31, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

On paper, the Canucks have so much talent. I'm a really big fan of this Horvat trade, and I think it sets up the Canucks pretty well. With the amount of great young talent this team has, the Canucks have more than enough cap to go out and address their blue line by signing a guy like Severson, Dumba, or Gavrikov. I get the whole culture aspect of things over there in Vancouver, but if Tocchet could truly get these guys behind him, maybe the Canucks can pick things up. All hope isn't lost, and after aquiring Beau and Raty, I think this team is in a position to come back strong next season. Beauvillier in particular is an interesting get for the now, and I think he is decently underrated when it comes to discussing the return the Canucks got. For now, embrace the tank. Go out and get a great prospect and right the ship. I'd be truly shocked if we see another member of the Canuck's core get moved, and genuinely think the Boeser / Hughes / Demko rumors are blown way out of proportion due to the Horvat situation. I'm really rooting for the Canucks

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Bear, Ethan		3	$3,000,000
Höglander, Nils		3	$1,250,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Severson, Damon		4	$5,000,000

Trades

VAN

2024 2nd round pick (TOR)

Additional Details:

@ 2023 NHL Trade Deadline. Additional assets include:
- Alex Kerfoot
- ~B Prospect (Kokkonen, SDA, Kral)

Other suitors include: Carolina, Washington

TOR

Garland, Conor

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$82,500,000	$78,161,667	$850,000	$932,500	$4,338,333

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kuzmenko, Andrei $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Mikheyev, Ilya $4,750,000$4,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 3
Beauvillier, Anthony $4,150,000$4,150,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Miller, J.T. $8,000,000$8,000,000 C, LW, RW NMC UFA - 7	Boeser, Brock $6,650,000$6,650,000 RW UFA - 2
Podkolzin, Vasily $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 1	Räty, Aatu $836,667$836,667 ($82,500$82K) C RFA - 2	Höglander, Nils $1,250,000$1,250,000 LW, RW RFA - 2
Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW UFA - 1	Lazar, Curtis $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 2	Studnicka, Jack $762,500$762,500 RW, C RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 4	Severson, Damon $5,000,000$5,000,000 RD UFA - 8	Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 3
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $2,250,000$2,250,000 LD UFA - 1	Bear, Ethan $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD UFA - 2	Martin, Spencer $762,500$762,500 G UFA - 1
Stillman, Riley $1,350,000$1,350,000 LD RFA - 1	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Joshua, Dakota $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 1		Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 2
Rathbone, Jack $850,000$850,000 LD UFA - 1

Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:38 a.m.

remowilliams

Joined: Dec. 2018

Posts: 2,648

Likes: 1,170

Well said the sky is not falling.

NorthernLeafsFan05 liked this.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:41 a.m.

Prime_Jimbo

VAN

Joined: Jan. 2022

Posts: 6,145

Likes: 1,878

The defense is still terrible outside top pair. I wouldn't target Severson if I were them. Gavrikov, Graves and Clifton are interesting to me.

Throw in a Schenn trade for further draft capital.

I'd be pleased (and maybe it's down the road) if Raty centers JT and Mikheyev when the time comes for him to be in Van (probably next season).

Either way, there is talent but there some tough contracts between OEL, Myers, Pearson holding it all back. Just going to have to be patient and hopeful the FO remains patient for at least another year and not trying to solve this puzzle in one year.

NorthernLeafsFan05 liked this.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:44 a.m.

NorthernLeafsFan05

Thread Starter

Amirov Forever

Joined: Mar. 2022

Posts: 6,551

Likes: 6,033

Quoting: Prime_Jimbo

Funnily enough I was actually looking at both Graves and Clifton. I feel like Clifton will be resigned, but Graves will almost definitely be let go, I'm just not sure he moves the needle a lot for the Nucks. Gavrikov or Severson are the two I would pursue, but given Sevo plays RD, I picked him. Schenn will probably net you guys a fair bit of value as well. Raty is an absolute stud and I could easily see him stepping in as 2C. Hopefully things start looking up

Prime_Jimbo liked this.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:45 a.m.

Ryno122

Joined: Oct. 2016

Posts: 392

Likes: 57

Leafs have zero need or cap space for Garland. Value aside as well, Garland is already looking like a buyout in the summer

Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:47 a.m.

Canucks33

Joined: Dec. 2017

Posts: 3,205

Likes: 1,077

Hughes rumours are absolutely false. There's been a lot of smoke around Boeser for a long time. There are quiet whispers about Demko but that's more than there's ever been in the past.

Imagine if they won the lottery and got Bedard and then landed Michkov with the NYI 1st (who falls due to concerns of him not leaving Russia and the political atmosphere in general). Instantly overload the prospect pool with two supercharged prospects.

NorthernLeafsFan05 and bogdown liked this.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:50 a.m.

Prime_Jimbo

VAN

Joined: Jan. 2022

Posts: 6,145

Likes: 1,878

Quoting: Nathaniel

I think Clifton has played himself out of Boston $ wise. I'd prefer some shorter deals on RHD for UFAs. Some names that come to mind are Schenn or even paying a higher dollar to Jensen for a couple years. Maybe someone like Johansson or Woo surprises and make the jump. I'd just prefer to avoid term for an older dman this offseason. Maybe the following offseason once the cap is cleared up more.

NorthernLeafsFan05 liked this.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:51 a.m.

NorthernLeafsFan05

Thread Starter

Amirov Forever

Joined: Mar. 2022

Posts: 6,551

Likes: 6,033

Quoting: Ryno122

Leafs have zero need or cap space for Garland. Value aside as well, Garland is already looking like a buyout in the summer

Wrong, Garland would be a great get for the Leafs who desperately need secondary scoring. He is great at both ends of the ice and in transition while also not costing much to acquire. He would be ideal for the playoffs and beyond. That being said; that's besides the point. This ACGM is mainly highlighting the situation the Canucks find themselves in going forward and how it's not so bleak

Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:51 a.m.

Prime_Jimbo

VAN

Joined: Jan. 2022

Posts: 6,145

Likes: 1,878

Quoting: Ryno122

Leafs have zero need or cap space for Garland. Value aside as well, Garland is already looking like a buyout in the summer

He's not a fit in TO $ wise IMO but he's not a buyout. The only buyout candidate is OEL in VCR.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:55 a.m.

NorthernLeafsFan05

Thread Starter

Amirov Forever

Joined: Mar. 2022

Posts: 6,551

Likes: 6,033

Quoting: Prime_Jimbo

Clifton would be awesome for the Canucks. If he is available, thats an ideal fit IMO

Prime_Jimbo liked this.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:56 a.m.

#10

jwg314

STL

Joined: Jul. 2019

Posts: 3,619

Likes: 1,637

The Horvat trade made a bad trajectory look pretty solid honestly. If Tocchet can the best out of Hoglander and Podkolzin, they could have a decent retool. If they get good deals out of Boeser and Garland, even better.

NorthernLeafsFan05 and bogdown liked this.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:57 a.m.

#11

NorthernLeafsFan05

Thread Starter

Amirov Forever

Joined: Mar. 2022

Posts: 6,551

Likes: 6,033

Quoting: Prime_Jimbo

He's not a fit in TO $ wise IMO but he's not a buyout. The only buyout candidate is OEL in VCR.

Its possible this year and beyond, Garland is my ideal Leafs TDL target

Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:00 a.m.

#12

jwg314

STL

Joined: Jul. 2019

Posts: 3,619

Likes: 1,637

I think you edited the post. Garland is worth more than just a late 2nd imo, especially if they're taking Kerfoot cap back.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:00 a.m.

#13

Prime_Jimbo

VAN

Joined: Jan. 2022

Posts: 6,145

Likes: 1,878

Quoting: Nathaniel

Its possible this year and beyond, Garland is my ideal Leafs TDL target

Ya that's fair point but I'm more worried about the following year with Matthews, Sandin, Lili, etc who need $$. I think they'd probably favor a rental like Tarasenko. Guess it depends on the costs for whoever they pursue on the wing if they do. Certainly Garland's cost is down now.

NorthernLeafsFan05 liked this.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:01 a.m.

#14

Andy_Dick

Joined: Feb. 2022

Posts: 5,067

Likes: 2,352

Quoting: Ryno122

Leafs have zero need or cap space for Garland. Value aside as well, Garland is already looking like a buyout in the summer

Hes not close to buyout territory.

NorthernLeafsFan05 and jwg314 liked this.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:03 a.m.

#15

NorthernLeafsFan05

Thread Starter

Amirov Forever

Joined: Mar. 2022

Posts: 6,551

Likes: 6,033

Quoting: jwg314

I think you edited the post. Garland is worth more than just a late 2nd imo, especially if they're taking Kerfoot cap back.

Kerfoot is purely a cap move and gets the Canucks out from the Garland deal which they seem to be attempting to get rid of(?). He's a pending UFA and doesn't bring with him any negative value. He can be extended beyond this season or not. All and all, he's a decent player.

I edited the post to include the "additional suitors" blurb just to convey that it doesn't necessarily have to be Toronto. Didn't want the Garland trade to detract from my main point. It's tough to estimate Garland's value. The other package I imagined was Kerfoot / Engvall (for cap reasons), 2024 2nd round pick, and Roni Hirvonen.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:23 a.m.

#16

aadoyle

Hakuna Matata

Joined: Feb. 2020

Posts: 33,917

Likes: 20,926

Quoting: jwg314

I think you edited the post. Garland is worth more than just a late 2nd imo, especially if they're taking Kerfoot cap back.

He's on buyout watch so how is he worth more.....

Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:26 a.m.

#17

aadoyle

Hakuna Matata

Joined: Feb. 2020

Posts: 33,917

Likes: 20,926

Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great

Hes not close to buyout territory.

According to Rick Dhaliwal who reports Canucks news and talks he potentially is. Rn he is under the 1/3 buyout so basically he would cost them 1.88 mill x 6 years

So basically saves them 3.3 mill

Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:27 a.m.

#18

jwg314

STL

Joined: Jul. 2019

Posts: 3,619

Likes: 1,637

Quoting: aadoyle

He's on buyout watch so how is he worth more.....

Is that true? Garland is hardly an issue imo.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:30 a.m.

#19

aadoyle

Hakuna Matata

Joined: Feb. 2020

Posts: 33,917

Likes: 20,926

Quoting: jwg314

Is that true? Garland is hardly an issue imo.

In the Canucks podcast with Rick Dhaliwal he mentioned it

Basically the above post explains why

And with teams hearing this he is a buy low candidate and with Beau coming it's almost a given now one of him or Boeser is leaving

Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:50 a.m.

#20

bogdown

Bog

Joined: Oct. 2022

Posts: 915

Likes: 335

Quoting: Canucks33

Quoting: Nathaniel

I love this trade from the Canucks perspective. Raty is an incredible center prospect and the first rounder could give us two picks in the top 15 this year. The sky’s the limit from there with who we pick, but it would allow us to draft a franchise center and an elite defenseman. The guy that keeps coming to mind is David Reinbacher. The guy is just so smooth and mature for his age and would be an anchor on the back end. I could see Graves being the perfect guy on the left side to play big shutdown minutes on the PK and last minute taking the stress off of Hughes. Trading the scraps like Myers, OEL, Garland, Boeser, etc is going to be huge for giving the youth the playing time. Look at the Rangers with Laffy Chytil and Kaako. I could see the core shaping up like this:

Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikheyev
Podkolzin Raty Höglander

Graves Foote
Huggy Bear
E. Pettersson Reinbacher

Obviously Miller and Lazar will slot in there as will our own 2023 first rounder but just imagine if that is Bedard or Fantilli.

NorthernLeafsFan05 liked this.

Jan. 31, 2023 at 2:34 a.m.

#21

MitchJr

Joined: Jan. 2023

Posts: 3,454

Likes: 1,167

You say you’re a Leafs fan, but I think you & ‘Nucks fans need to pump the brakes; everyone blames ownership but - at least on this site - ‘Nucks fans seem to be borderline delusional.
Raty is playing in the ahl currently; he could be a good nhl center (2C or 3C tbd) but no guarantee, and I don’t think you can count on that next year.
And ‘23 ( or could be a ‘24) Draft picks are not likely to impact at nhl level for 3-4 years?
Beauvilier carries exact same cap hit as Horvat but with an extra year, so not a lot of cap space to work with next year unless you unload contracts which we know is isn’t easy to do.
Unless they sign Bo as a UFA ( unlikely), Canucks centre depth will be pretty weak next year as will be their RHD depth. Tough to address both in FA, think’ll it be a couple more lean years in Lotus land which makes the kuzmenko signing the latest in a series of questionable moves

Jan. 31, 2023 at 2:59 a.m.

#22

Juiceman

Ex Nucks fan

Joined: Jun. 2021

Posts: 17,615

Likes: 17,624

Quoting: MitchJr

More of an Islanders L than a Canucks W. Canucks got a guaranteed first round pick, top C prospect, and a throw in. Pretty much what most realistic people were expecting

Jan. 31, 2023 at 7:33 a.m.

#23

DJSums17

Joined: Dec. 2017

Posts: 2,406

Likes: 319

Take away 2nd and add Schenn and you got yourself a deal. If not call up another sucker.

Page 1 of 1

DISPLAY SETTING

BETTING ODDS

LOCALE

ARCHIVE

CBA

CALCULATORS

FANTASY HOCKEY TOOLS

TOOLS

PLAYERS

WESTERN CONFERENCE

EASTERN CONFERENCE

INTERACTIVE FEATURES

Forums/Armchair-GM