MN Wild-Seller Deadline

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Quoting: DefenseFirst

I’m curious where you see foligno fitting in boston.

This trade has Craig Smith coming out to make the money work. When fully healthy, M. Foligno slots just where you think he would on the third line with Coyle and whoever you want between Zacha, Debrusk, or Hall. That fourth line gets pretty formidable with N. Foligno-Nosek-Frederic.

Plus you get another year of M. Foligno at an affordable clip when you'll undoubtedly lose a piece or two of your scary bottom six. I don't think Bill Guerin would trade M. Foligno even as a seller, but he has more value with term left on his contract.

Feb. 1, 2023 at 8:30 a.m.

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No thanks to that Edmonton trade. Dumba at 50% retained is worth at minimum a high 2nd round pick. Hartman is worth a 1st+ because his contract is so damn good. Puljujarvi is looking like a bust more and more. He certainly doesn’t hold much value.

Feb. 1, 2023 at 8:31 a.m.

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Quoting: Lsendel3

Greenway isn’t worth close to a conditional first, like at all

It's a pretty tough condition, but sure take it out. I appreciate someone actually reading through all the notes before rocking a thought.

Feb. 1, 2023 at 8:36 a.m.

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Quoting: gottscc

Frederic has been playing really really well in that position, and producing more offensively than foligno.

Feb. 1, 2023 at 8:43 a.m.

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Quoting: Digitalbooya06

I got to think Guerin would've moved him by now if someone came to the table with that. His value is absolutely deflated. EDM has more a need at LD anyway. Hartman's current play has his value deflated too, if the Wild get offered a first for him they should be grateful and take it and not hope for a little extra. He's not Brandon Hagel who's was signed for three more years.

Feb. 1, 2023 at 8:47 a.m.

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Quoting: gottscc

It's a pretty tough condition, but sure take it out. I appreciate someone actually reading through all the notes before rocking a thought.

I’ll be honest, I think a 2nd is too high anyways. And it’s not a raw stats look saying he’s only got x amount of points. I live where I get FSN and watch a lot of Wild games. He hasn’t looked quite the same since the shoulder surgery, and while he has a role and does it, a 2nd of itself seems a little much for me. But generally don’t like to beat up minor proposals (2nd round or less for at least serviceable guys)

Feb. 1, 2023 at 8:48 a.m.

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Quoting: capsfan2121

What would the price be for Dumba and Hartman for the capitals

Hard to say, but 2023's 1st and 2nd rounder plus whatever player makes the money work would be where I'd start. Pretty similar return to the EDM one.

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Feb. 1, 2023 at 8:54 a.m.

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Quoting: Lsendel3

Fair enough. I agree a third rounder might be all he'll fetch, but for a team with three second rounders and a head coach with familiarity, it seems like the best possible return for a retooling Wild team looking for cap space next year. Haven't watched enough of BUF to see a fit, but just listening to Russo's information.

Feb. 1, 2023 at 8:54 a.m.

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No one is giving a Conditional 1st for Hartman- NO ONE

I doubt u even get a 2nd
He’s got 5goals & 14points this season

U might get a 3rd- MAYBE

Feb. 1, 2023 at 9:01 a.m.

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I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Greenway this offseason if girgensons and/or okposo aren't back, but that is quite an overvaluation

Feb. 1, 2023 at 9:01 a.m.

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Quoting: Buffalove

No one is giving a Conditional 1st for Hartman- NO ONE

I doubt u even get a 2nd
He’s got 5goals & 14points this season

U might get a 3rd- MAYBE

He's played only 26 games this year. Can fill in throughout the lineup, plays gritty, and has another year at $1.7AAV. A low 1st rounder is a return one could expect from a cap strapped contender.

Feb. 1, 2023 at 9:27 a.m.

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Quoting: gottscc

If people aren’t willing to pay a 1st for Dumba, then I’d rather just hold onto him and let him walk after the season.

Hartman’s got another year at $1.7M. He could be extremely valuable to a cap ceiling contender looking to go all in.

Feb. 1, 2023 at 9:35 a.m.

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Lol that isn't getting Marcus foligno, and he's not available. That isn't getting dumba & Hartman. Wild don't do any if these trade

Feb. 1, 2023 at 10:04 a.m.

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Quoting: Buffalove

No one is giving a Conditional 1st for Hartman- NO ONE

I doubt u even get a 2nd
He’s got 5goals & 14points this season

U might get a 3rd- MAYBE

You're really not paying attention to the league if you think Hartman's value tops out at a 3rd.

There's a big difference between what you, or any other random CF user, would be willing to pay, and what the actual historical precedent suggests his value is. Unfortunately you're massively conflating those two.

I'd recommend brushing up on trades from the last few seasons that have involved 1sts -- Trades Involving 1sts

Feb. 1, 2023 at 2:06 p.m.

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Quoting: gottscc

He's played only 26 games this year. Can fill in throughout the lineup, plays gritty, and has another year at $1.7AAV. A low 1st rounder is a return one could expect from a cap strapped contender.

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Feb. 1, 2023 at 2:12 p.m.

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Hey- good luck to u guys
But I’d be shocked if he gets u a 1st

Feb. 1, 2023 at 2:19 p.m.

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Quoting: Buffalove

Hey- good luck to u guys
But I’d be shocked if he gets u a 1st

I don't think he's gonna be traded, but if he does, a 1st or 1st equivalent will be involved. Otherwise, Guerin will be happy to just keep him...which is probably his plan to begin with.

Feb. 1, 2023 at 2:20 p.m.

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Quoting: drmantalban

I don't think he's gonna be traded, but if he does, a 1st or 1st equivalent will be involved. Otherwise, Guerin will be happy to just keep him...which is probably his plan to begin with.

Then you’re keeping him
Bc a 1st is very unlikely

Feb. 1, 2023 at 2:24 p.m.

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Quoting: Buffalove

Then you’re keeping him
Bc a 1st is very unlikely

Agree that the required price will not be met, thus Wild keep him. Disagree that they'd struggle to get a 1st. But to each their own.

Feb. 1, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.

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Edmonton declines. Your asking price is too steep and they don't have anywhere near enough cap space to make it happen.

Feb. 1, 2023 at 2:49 p.m.

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Quoting: drmantalban

Agree that the required price will not be met, thus Wild keep him. Disagree that they'd struggle to get a 1st. But to each their own.

You’d have virtually Zero chance
Not many teams even trade a 1st at the deadline for a winger
And there’s plenty of guys available who would be wanted more & have more value

Feb. 1, 2023 at 3:35 p.m.

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