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Trimming Fat and Getting Lean This TDL

Created by: dtd_tank
Team: 2022-23 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 3, 2023
Published: Feb. 3, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. Buchelnikov, Dmitri [Reserve List]
  2. Vrána, Jakub
  3. Zadina, Filip
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (STL)
  5. 2024 1st round pick (DET)
Additional Details:
Settle down, Sally. Vrana is a low risk/high reward piece for SJ that helps DET's cap situation for Meier. He isn't a value piece here. Zadina plays well with Vrana, and is on the edge of a breakout. Buch is a B+ prospect. The 1st is unprotected. The 2nd is likely in the late 30s.
2.
DET
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (EDM)
  2. 2024 5th round pick (EDM)
3.
DET
  1. Pánik, Richard
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Kubalik, Dominik ($1,000,000 retained)
4.
DET
  1. Heinen, Danton
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
Condition: 3rd becomes 2023 2nd if PIT makes it to 2nd round
PIT
  1. Suter, Pius ($1,625,000 retained)
5.
DET
  1. 2023 4th round pick (DAL)
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22$82,500,000$64,273,056$0$3,775,000$18,226,944
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$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
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UFA - 1
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UFA - 1

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Feb. 3, 2023 at 1:06 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 3, 2023 at 1:14 p.m.
Me personally, I really don't want to move anymore 2023 picks. I would give a 3rd in 2024 for him. But Lou is a old and senile, so who knows with this dope will do next.
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Feb. 3, 2023 at 1:08 p.m.
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-If we're using the Horvat trade as a baseline, I can't hate this value for SJ. Zadina is a young, roster-ready player; Vrana is a bigger cap hit than Beauvillier was but has better upside in my eyes, and the 1st/2nd/prospect package is fine. I could see San Jose maybe looking for a little older/closer to NHL prospect, but that's the only quibble. Pretty fair value based on this year's trade market, in my eyes.

-Again, fair value - Edmonton might need some retention on this, though, their cap situation is tight. I think Maata gives them a solid DFD which is something they seem to need right now.

-You can use this retention slot on Maata, IMO - Isles have enough space to take on Kubalik's deal. Personally I'd be annoyed at giving up a 2nd for a guy I wanted Lou to sign over the summer, but c'est la vie - Kubalik would be an upgrade over Josh Bailey as an offensively minded winger that the team desperately needs to help juice an incredibly awful PP. Scratch Panik from the trade as well - he's only a $250K penalty so the cap savings is negligible, and he's playing in Europe this year - so he wouldn't be able to be a healthy scratch for the Wings this year. EDITING: I'd rather keep the 2023 2nd if the Isles wind up giving up this year's 1st; if the cost is a 2nd I'd want a condition that is inverse of whatever the Vancouver condition is (ie, Detroit gets the 2nd rounder in the year that the Isles don't give up their 1st.)

-I like the value but if I'm Pittsburgh I counter with Kapenen & the pick for Suter, no retention - saves you another slot if you want to move another guy (Sundqvist?), and I think Heinen is more valuable as a depth guy to the Penguins than Kap. Willing to defer to Pens fans on that, though.

-I think Erne only gets that 4th with retention, but I can see teams having interest.
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Feb. 3, 2023 at 1:12 p.m.
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-If we're using the Horvat trade as a baseline, I can't hate this value for SJ. Zadina is a young, roster-ready player; Vrana is a bigger cap hit than Beauvillier was but has better upside in my eyes, and the 1st/2nd/prospect package is fine. I could see San Jose maybe looking for a little older/closer to NHL prospect, but that's the only quibble. Pretty fair value based on this year's trade market, in my eyes.

-Again, fair value - Edmonton might need some retention on this, though, their cap situation is tight. I think Maata gives them a solid DFD which is something they seem to need right now.

-You can use this retention slot on Maata, IMO - Isles have enough space to take on Kubalik's deal. Personally I'd be annoyed at giving up a 2nd for a guy I wanted Lou to sign over the summer, but c'est la vie - Kubalik would be an upgrade over Josh Bailey as an offensively minded winger that the team desperately needs to help juice an incredibly awful PP. Scratch Panik from the trade as well - he's only a $250K penalty so the cap savings is negligible, and he's playing in Europe this year - so he wouldn't be able to be a healthy scratch for the Wings this year.

-I like the value but if I'm Pittsburgh I counter with Kapenen & the pick for Suter, no retention - saves you another slot if you want to move another guy (Sundqvist?), and I think Heinen is more valuable as a depth guy to the Penguins than Kap. Willing to defer to Pens fans on that, though.

-I think Erne only gets that 4th with retention, but I can see teams having interest.


Appreciate all the great, thoughtful feedback!
Feb. 3, 2023 at 1:22 p.m.
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Simply not enough for Meier.

Buch is worthless, Vrana is in the AHL (and far more valuable to us in the system right now), Zadina is a middle 6 forward that's bordering scratch worthy, and the 1st isn't even a 2023 pick.

Meier will get a serious haul with multiple 1sts or legitimate prospect/roster players. This is scraps.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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Kubs is on pace for 58 points, Kubs for 1.5 years @ $1,500,000 is worth far more than Panik who's a worthless dump that we're already retaining on and a 2nd round pick. Kubs should at least get us a 2nd and 3rd round pick with retention.

Sharks pass big time.

Maatta should get us a 2nd and 3rd round pick. Maatta is better than Luke Schenn and he's going for a 2nd.

Suter and Erne trade look pretty close.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:10 p.m.
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Simply not enough for Meier.

Buch is worthless, Vrana is in the AHL (and far more valuable to us in the system right now), Zadina is a middle 6 forward that's bordering scratch worthy, and the 1st isn't even a 2023 pick.

Meier will get a serious haul with multiple 1sts or legitimate prospect/roster players. This is scraps.


What is this about Buch being worthless? Just drafted in the second round and playing in the KHL as a 19 year old. Is there something about him I don't know?
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Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
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What is this about Buch being worthless? Just drafted in the second round and playing in the KHL as a 19 year old. Is there something about him I don't know?


No, he simply hasn't heard his name so therefore he's worthless.

The guy probably still thinks Turcotte is *chef's kiss*
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:18 p.m.
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What is this about Buch being worthless? Just drafted in the second round and playing in the KHL as a 19 year old. Is there something about him I don't know?


How many Buch's does SJ have in their system? How many Buch's can you just draft in the 2nd and 3rd round every year?

We will draft 2 more Buch's this year - SJ has no interest in a Buch-level prospect for Meier.

So ya, in the context of this trade he's worthless; in the context of being a Wings prospect, he's got undefined value at this point. Just another prospect.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:23 p.m.
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How many Buch's does SJ have in their system? How many Buch's can you just draft in the 2nd and 3rd round every year?

We will draft 2 more Buch's this year - SJ has no interest in a Buch-level prospect for Meier.


Not going to lie, that's the stupidest thing I've read today lol. "The guy is worthless because 4 letters of his name are common in Russian names"
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Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:31 p.m.
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Not going to lie, that's the stupidest thing I've read today lol. "The guy is worthless because 4 letters of his name are common in Russian names"


What in the world? You think I'm referring to him being Russian?

You'll see how stupid it is when you see the return for Meier lol
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:32 p.m.
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Simply not enough for Meier.

Buch is worthless, Vrana is in the AHL (and far more valuable to us in the system right now), Zadina is a middle 6 forward that's bordering scratch worthy, and the 1st isn't even a 2023 pick.

Meier will get a serious haul with multiple 1sts or legitimate prospect/roster players. This is scraps.


Reporting back after checking... SJ has exactly 1 U20 forward who has played in a league that is AHL level or higher, and he was a 1st round pick (Bystedt in the SHL). Every other U20 forward in their org has effectively played junior hockey as of right now, and therefore would rank lower than Buch.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:40 p.m.
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Reporting back after checking... SJ has exactly 1 U20 forward who has played in a league that is AHL level or higher, and he was a 1st round pick (Bystedt in the SHL). Every other U20 forward in their org has effectively played junior hockey as of right now, and therefore would rank lower than Buch.


How is that relevant?

I mean seriously, use your brain. Buch is an undrafted, now 2nd round pick who will more than likely never be an NHLer....You're telling me SJ is going to be interested in a guy like that when they have tons of similar players across their org? He is a dime-a-dozen prospect.

Sure, he might be a throw in at the end of a trade, but not one with just Zadina and Vrana included.

Timo Meier is a 26 year old RFA and a basically a PPG player....what in the world are we talking about?
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:49 p.m.
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What in the world? You think I'm referring to him being Russian?

You'll see how stupid it is when you see the return for Meier lol


Ha I'm the stupid one, I completely misread that lol.
 
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