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Suggestion - Building a trade

Created by: TheRealisticGuy
Team: 2022-23 Los Angeles Kings
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 3, 2023
Published: Feb. 3, 2023
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Trades
LAK
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Edmundson, Joel ($1,750,000 retained)
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MTL
  1. Petersen, Cal
  2. Walker, Sean
  3. 2023 1st round pick (LAK)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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23$82,500,000$72,765,834$637,500$3,550,000$9,734,166
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
RW, LW
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$1,875,000$1,875,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
RW, LW
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW, RW
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$825,000$825,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$1,675,000$1,675,000
C
RFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$150,000$150K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$2,900,000$2,900,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$2,875,000$2,875,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
RD
RFA - 4
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-$875,000-$875,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
G
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000 (Performance Bonus$750,000$750K)
LD
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Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:14 p.m.
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Would LA trade Clarke and Peterson for Demko and a pick? i keep coming back to thinking there is a fit for a Petersen Demko swap if LA adds a 1st or Clarke
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:15 p.m.
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The Kings would consider swapping Walker for Edmundson at 50% retention.

That means the rest of this trade is Petersen + 1st for Allen. No way.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:16 p.m.
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Would LA trade Clarke and Peterson for Demko and a pick? i keep coming back to thinking there is a fit for a Petersen Demko swap if LA adds a 1st or Clarke


No. Brandt Clarke is as untouchable of a prospect as there is in the NHL.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:16 p.m.
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Would LA trade Clarke and Peterson for Demko and a pick? i keep coming back to thinking there is a fit for a Petersen Demko swap if LA adds a 1st or Clarke


That depends how they value Clarke, but Demko would be a better goalie going forward than Allen
Maybe Spence + pick or prospect + Petersen vs Demko
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:19 p.m.
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The Kings would consider swapping Walker for Edmundson at 50% retention.

That means the rest of this trade is Petersen + 1st for Allen. No way.


You REALLY need to understand Sean Walker have no value for MTL
Nothing, just a roster player / contract spot
You can take him out and trade him to another team if necessary
Edmundson half retained maybe isn't worth a 2023 1st, but taking Peterson contract and sending a NHL goalie may be temping IF they don't have another solution for between the pipes
That will depends how LA management value Allen, we know for sure Bergevin likes both Allen & Edmundson
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Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:29 p.m.
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You REALLY need to understand Sean Walker have no value for MTL
Nothing, just a roster player / contract spot
You can take him out and trade him to another team if necessary
Edmundson half retained maybe isn't worth a 2023 1st, but taking Peterson contract and sending a NHL goalie may be temping IF they don't have another solution for between the pipes
That will depends how LA management value Allen, we know for sure Bergevin likes both Allen & Edmundson


Edmundson has no value for LA. He's bad. That was the point I was getting at. The Kings would be willing to give up Walker and not much else.

Good thing Bergevin is not the GM of the Kings. Bergevin's position is used as a crutch for Montreal fans to propose bad trades.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:35 p.m.
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Edmundson has no value for LA. He's bad. That was the point I was getting at. The Kings would be willing to give up Walker and not much else.


I don't care about your opinion omg it's like the Islanders fans saying their 2023 1st & Raty were untouchable for both to get traded the day after
Edmundson/McCabe/Gavrikov are the only LHD considered top 4 dman this TDL, so teams will need to overpay to acquire them
We know for sure LAK & EDM would like to add a physical LHD who can eat minutes
Gavrikov would be a pure rental, so maybe LA passes on him
But Edmundson and McCabe have terms and both MTL & CHI have the cap space to take a cap dump with it
So I don't care about what you think of Edmundson, the boy band (the NHL GMs) think he is good
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:36 p.m.
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I don't care about your opinion omg it's like the Islanders fans saying their 2023 1st & Raty were untouchable for both to get traded the day after
Edmundson/McCabe/Gavrikov are the only LHD considered top 4 dman this TDL, so teams will need to overpay to acquire them
We know for sure LAK & EDM would like to add a physical LHD who can eat minutes
Gavrikov would be a pure rental, so maybe LA passes on him
But Edmundson and McCabe have terms and both MTL & CHI have the cap space to take a cap dump with it
So I don't care about what you think of Edmundson, the boy band (the NHL GMs) think he is good


Jakob Chychrun says hi.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:50 p.m.
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We're not interested in walker
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:51 p.m.
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Jakob Chychrun says hi.


Hi Chychrun = Goodbye Clarke
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:52 p.m.
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Jakob Chychrun says hi.


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Hi Chychrun = Goodbye Clarke


2023 1st + Alex Turcotte + Sean Durzi + another prospect ? Low end prospect like Thomas/Madden or a decent one like Bjornfot ?
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:52 p.m.
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Hi Chychrun = Goodbye Clarke


Chychrun won't cost Clarke.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 2:54 p.m.
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2023 1st + Alex Turcotte + Sean Durzi + another prospect ? Low end prospect like Thomas/Madden or a decent one like Bjornfot ?


The current ask is two 1st round picks (or prospect equivalent) and a "good young roster player." So a 1st + Turcotte + Durzi meets the current reported asking price.

However, if the Kings were willing to pay that, the deal would probably be done already, so I'm guessing the Kings are haggling over something like Durzi vs Thomas/Madden as the 3rd piece.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.
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The current ask is two 1st round picks (or prospect equivalent) and a "good young roster player." So a 1st + Turcotte + Durzi meets the current reported asking price.

However, if the Kings were willing to pay that, the deal would probably be done already, so I'm guessing the Kings are haggling over something like Durzi vs Thomas/Madden as the 3rd piece.


2023 1st + good young roster player (Durzi) but maybe Turcotte isn't a prospect equivalent of a 1st round pick value anymore
Feb. 3, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
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2023 1st + good young roster player (Durzi) but maybe Turcotte isn't a prospect equivalent of a 1st round pick value anymore


I don't think that's true. He's been playing well for Ontario this season, and looked really good in his NHL call up during this past extended road trip.

He might not be top-5 overall value any longer, but he's definitely still 1st round material.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 3:22 p.m.
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I don't think that's true. He's been playing well for Ontario this season, and looked really good in his NHL call up during this past extended road trip.

He might not be top-5 overall value any longer, but he's definitely still 1st round material.


You don't think what is true ? I said maybe because ARI don't consider Turcotte the equivalent of a 1st round value
Maybe that is a reason why the trade did not happen yet
We don't know anything
Feb. 3, 2023 at 3:30 p.m.
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You don't think what is true ? I said maybe because ARI don't consider Turcotte the equivalent of a 1st round value
Maybe that is a reason why the trade did not happen yet
We don't know anything


I don't think that Turcotte has lost his first round equivalent value. In the event he's not who Arizona wants, the Kings can dangle Kupari instead, who is a former 1st round pick that still carries that value.

I think people sometimes conflate "1st round value" with "A+ or Top 10 overall." The Kings have one of the deepest prospect pools in the NHL, and at least a half dozen "1st round equivalent" prospect to choose from.

Likewise, if underperforming players drafted in the 1st round can lose their 1st round value, overperforming players drafted out of the first round can certainly gain it. Jordan Spence is an example of a prospect that was taken later in the draft whose play would now make him a 1st round equivalent. Helge Grans could be considered there as well.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 3:34 p.m.
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I don't think that Turcotte has lost his first round equivalent value. In the event he's not who Arizona wants, the Kings can dangle Kupari instead, who is a former 1st round pick that still carries that value.

I think people sometimes conflate "1st round value" with "A+ or Top 10 overall." The Kings have one of the deepest prospect pools in the NHL, and at least a half dozen "1st round equivalent" prospect to choose from.

Likewise, if underperforming players drafted in the 1st round can lose their 1st round value, overperforming players drafted out of the first round can certainly gain it. Jordan Spence is an example of a prospect that was taken later in the draft whose play would now make him a 1st round equivalent. Helge Grans could be considered there as well.


Yep, we will never agree, for me Kupari wouldn't move the needle on a Chychrun trade ... Need a guy like Byfield/Turcotte/Clarke/Spence to start discussion
Byfield/Clarke would be the target but I don't see LA trading them, so you need to switch with their 2023 1st + Turcotte + Spence, more quantity then quality but still good quality
But you are overvaluing your players/prospects
Feb. 3, 2023 at 3:39 p.m.
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Yep, we will never agree, for me Kupari wouldn't move the needle on a Chychrun trade ... Need a guy like Byfield/Turcotte/Clarke/Spence to start discussion
Byfield/Clarke would be the target but I don't see LA trading them, so you need to switch with their 2023 1st + Turcotte + Spence, more quantity then quality but still good quality
But you are overvaluing your players/prospects


So then you're not looking for a 1st round equivalent then, you're looking for a blue-chip prospect. That's not the stated asking price.

Spence was the single best defenseman in the AHL as a rookie after being the single best defenseman in the QMJHL. He's the best defensemen no matter where he plays. I don't know why thinking he's a "1st round equivalent" is an overvalue. Again, not saying he's a blue chip guy, but definitely a guy that should have gone in the early 20s in the draft in hindsight.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 3:41 p.m.
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So then you're not looking for a 1st round equivalent then, you're looking for a blue-chip prospect. That's not the stated asking price.

Spence was the single best defenseman in the AHL as a rookie after being the single best defenseman in the QMJHL. He's the best defensemen no matter where he plays. I don't know why thinking he's a "1st round equivalent" is an overvalue. Again, not saying he's a blue chip guy, but definitely a guy that should have gone in the early 20s in the draft in hindsight.


Yes Spence have real good value, just not ****ing Rasmus Kupari lmao
Feb. 3, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.
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Yes Spence have real good value, just not ****ing Rasmus Kupari lmao


Not sure why the dislike for Kupari. He's a quality middle-six winger with top-level speed, good size, and a nasty side. Not every 1st round pick is going to be top-line material.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 8:15 p.m.
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Not sure why the dislike for Kupari. He's a quality middle-six winger with top-level speed, good size, and a nasty side. Not every 1st round pick is going to be top-line material.


ARI are looking for top prospect / blue chip prospect
Guys with high ceilings
Not guys like Kupari
Feb. 3, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.
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ARI are looking for top prospect / blue chip prospect
Guys with high ceilings
Not guys like Kupari


The asking price said "first round equivalent" not "blue chip" or "top" prospects, and this is the only way it's reasonable. If they wanted a guy like Quinton Byfield or Brandt Clarke, then that's the only thing they would get.
Feb. 3, 2023 at 8:23 p.m.
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The asking price said "first round equivalent" not "blue chip" or "top" prospects, and this is the only way it's reasonable. If they wanted a guy like Quinton Byfield or Brandt Clarke, then that's the only thing they would get.


Yes, and LA wouldn’t
That’s why he is still in Arizona
But guys like Kupari wouldn’t move the needle
Not enough upside
They want quality, not quantity
Feb. 3, 2023 at 8:30 p.m.
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Yes, and LA wouldn’t
That’s why he is still in Arizona
But guys like Kupari wouldn’t move the needle
Not enough upside
They want quality, not quantity


I think you undervalue what Kupari brings. He'd still go in the 1st round in a 2018 redraft.

If the Kings traded their 1st round picks instead of the player, their pick would likely be around 20-25 overall, which would net them a Kupari-type player.
 
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