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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.
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He's got the gear already.

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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:05 p.m.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:07 p.m.
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Too bad that garbage doesn't get Larkin at full value let alone 50% retained. Sorry but a 3C and late 1st and 2nd doesn't get Larkin at 50% retained.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:08 p.m.
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He's got the gear already.

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laugh You know this is a joke right? Larkin was 100% a die hard Red Wings fan. His Dad is from Toronto and he wore that for him.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:13 p.m.
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And what comments were those ?
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.
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What's even more laugh is a Laff fan thinking that garbage gets Larkin out of Detroit.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:23 p.m.
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Too bad that garbage doesn't get Larkin at full value let alone 50% retained. Sorry but a 3C and late 1st and 2nd doesn't get Larkin at 50% retained.


This probably gets him. Got to imagine he'd be in the Horvat range and this is floating in that area. Larkin also has a full NTC so he'd be controlling his destiny. The better trade to base it on might be Giroux's.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:23 p.m.
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What's even more laugh is a Laff fan thinking that garbage gets Larkin out of Detroit.


What element does Larkin bring that Horvat doesn't? Let's just say this package is the same, although it's more.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:26 p.m.
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What's even more laugh is a Laff fan thinking that garbage gets Larkin out of Detroit.


The guy offered more than what hornet got for a player worse than Horvat lol.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:29 p.m.
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Canucks got a top center prospect and a 1st. That 1st is better than Leafs position wise and Minten is not even close to Ratu. Come on please look at what is offered not thru rose or better yet blue colored galsses.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:29 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:35 p.m.
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This probably gets him. Got to imagine he'd be in the Horvat range and this is floating in that area. Larkin also has a full NTC so he'd be controlling his destiny. The better trade to base it on might be Giroux's.


Not even a comparison to the Horvat trade.

Raty > Minten

Islanders 2023 1st round pick 13th-16 OA range > Toronto's 2023 1st round pick 25th to 28th OA range.

Beauvillier < Toronto's 2024 2nd round pick.

Horvat trade was way better than this worthless trade.

Plus FYI Horvat was traded to the East And Larkin is being traded within the division. So once again you can't use Horvat as a template in this situation.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:31 p.m.
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What element does Larkin bring that Horvat doesn't? Let's just say this package is the same, although it's more.


Larkin is a 200 foot player, Horvat is all offense and sucks defensively Larkin is far better at both.

Larkin has a 73 and 69 point seasons under his belt. Until this year Horvat had one 61 point season. Larkin is far better than Horvat.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:32 p.m.
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Not even a comparison to the Horvat trade.

Raty > Minten

Islanders 2023 1st round pick 13th-16 OA range > Toronto's 2023 1st round pick 25th to 28th OA range.

Beauvillier < Toronto's 2024 2nd round pick.

Horvat trade was way better than this worthless trade.
Toronto 2023 1st round pick 25th to 28th OA rnage

Plus FYI Horvat was traded to the East And Larkin is being traded within the division. So once again you can't use Horvat as a template in this situation.


Raty is a better prospect than Minten but not by all that much. He had a bad draft season, a good D+1 season and is now having a bad D+2 season. The team that knows him best already sold early on him. Trying to act like he's a high value prospect is just foolishness.

Islanders' 2023 or 2024 pick. We don't know what that pick is yet. It could be pushed back a year and obviously a 2023 pick is more valuable than 1 delayed a year.

Beauvillier was a cap dump, he's not getting a 2nd round pick. He's a bottom 6 winger, who's never scored more than 40 points in a season, being paid 4 mil a year ... and has term. He was negative value to that trade.

Horvat is an expiring contract in a season the Red Wings aren't going to make the playoffs. Where he goes is irrelevant to the team. The Leafs aren't going to re-sign him. There's no added danger there for the Wings. Beyond that, Larkin has a full NTC. He has control on where he goes, not the team. If you don't like Horvat's trade, I pointed out that Giroux's trade is the more likely comparable ... of course he got even less.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:33 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Not even a comparison to the Horvat trade.

Raty > Minten

Islanders 2023 1st round pick 13th-16 OA range > Toronto's 2023 1st round pick 25th to 28th OA range.

Beauvillier < Toronto's 2024 2nd round pick.

Horvat trade was way better than this worthless trade.


Horvat>>>> Larkin
Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:42 p.m.
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Raty is a better prospect than Minten but not by all that much. He had a bad draft season, a good D+1 season and is now having a bad D+2 season. The team that knows him best already sold early on him. Trying to act like he's a high value prospect is just foolishness.

Islanders' 2023 or 2024 pick. We don't know what that pick is yet. It could be pushed back a year and obviously a 2023 pick is more valuable than 1 delayed a year.

Beauvillier was a cap dump, he's not getting a 2nd round pick. He's a bottom 6 winger, who's never scored more than 40 points in a season, being paid 4 mil a year ... and has term. He was negative value to that trade.

Horvat is an expiring contract in a season the Red Wings' aren't going to make the playoffs. Where he goes is irrelevant to the team. The Leafs aren't going to re-sign him. There's no added danger there for the Wings. Beyond that, Larkin has a full NTC. He has control on where he goes, not the team.


Bottom line is that you can't use Horvat as a template in this case. Horvat was traded to an Eastern Conference team. If Horvat was dealt within the division the offer would've been far better than what they received from the Islanders. This offer doesn't even come close to getting Larkin out of Detroit. This joke of an offer would be beaten by 90% of the league if not more.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:42 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Larkin is a 200 foot player, Horvat is all offense and sucks defensively Larkin is far better at both.

Larkin has a 73 and 69 point seasons under his belt. Until this year Horvat had one 61 point season. Larkin is far better than Horvat.


Can't speak to Larkin's defensive game but Horvat is average defensively.

They are both expiring UFAs, what they did in previous years hardly matters. Horvat has 31 goals to Larkins 15. To say Larkin is far better than Horvat at offense is laughable. Horvat's better in the dot as well.

They're about equal
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:43 p.m.
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Horvat>>>> Larkin


1st round >>>>> Toronto
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:44 p.m.
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And what comments were those ?


He said that playing with marner was the highlight of his trip
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:44 p.m.
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Bottom line is that you can't use Horvat as a template in this case. Horvat was traded to an Eastern Conference team. If Horvat was dealt within the division the offer would've been far better than what they received from the Islanders. This offer doesn't even come close to getting Larkin out of Detroit. This joke of an offer would be beaten by 90% of the league if not more.


Horvat is a fine comparable because there's no added danger for the Wings that Larkin stays in Toronto past this season. The Leafs can't re-sign him. Trying to argue otherwise is just some dumb fan logic.

The real bottom line is that Larkin has control of where he goes with his NTC, not Detroit. Where the team wants to deal him doesn't matter at all. That trumps everything you are trying to argue in this regard. It's also why Giroux might be the better comparable.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:49 p.m.
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1st round >>>>> Toronto


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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:49 p.m.
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Can't speak to Larkin's defensive game but Horvat is average defensively.

They are both expiring UFAs, what they did in previous years hardly matters. Horvat has 31 goals to Larkins 15. To say Larkin is far better than Horvat at offense is laughable. Horvat's better in the dot as well.

They're about equal


What part of Horvat having a career year don't you understand? before this year Larkin was way better than Horvat offensively like i said until this year Horvat's best season was only 61 points and Larkin had 73 and 69 points respectively plus Larkin is on pace for 77 points this season. I'll bet you Horvat with the Islanders will cool off quickly offensively.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:51 p.m.
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Too bad that garbage doesn't get Larkin at full value let alone 50% retained. Sorry but a 3C and late 1st and 2nd doesn't get Larkin at 50% retained.


You guys are going to be so disappointed in the coming years.
Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:53 p.m.
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What part of Horvat having a career year don't you understand? before this year Larkin was way better than Horvat offensively like i said until this year Horvat's best season was only 61 points and Larkin had 73 and 69 points respectively plus Larkin is on pace for 77 points this season. I'll bet you Horvat with the Islanders will cool off quickly offensively.


It's a positive that he's having a career year. That's what you're looking for in an expiring UFA.

Either way, asking more for Larkin than Meier is downright delusional.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:55 p.m.
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What part of Horvat having a career year don't you understand?


What type of return have you expected for Bertuzzi again? You haven't minded basing his value off a career year despite him not living up to it this season. Trying to have your cake and eat it too here. Guess we shouldn't expect much more than that from a relentless homer like you.
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Feb. 4, 2023 at 8:58 p.m.
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Horvat is a fine comparable because there's no added danger for the Wings that Larkin stays in Toronto past this season. The Leafs can't re-sign him. Trying to argue otherwise is just some dumb fan logic.

The real bottom line is that Larkin has control of where he goes with his NTC, not Detroit. Where the team wants to deal him doesn't matter at all. That trumps everything you are trying to argue in this regard. It's also why Giroux might be the better comparable.


Guess your logic based argument has hit a nerve with wings fans. Still think it’s a long shot but that’s a completely fair offer for (rental) Larkin. If a team can trade and extend him, offer might be better but not by much.
While Raty is older and farther along his career arc, Minten was drafted higher. He impressed everyone at Leafs camp and is having an excellent junior year - he’s an upper mid tier prospect, same as Raty with potentially higher ceiling.
Wings fans are odd - and Larkin must hit extra nerve - they seem to think Stevey Y will just re-sign players if they don’t get trade value they want. The players are pending FAs and are free to not re-sign and test market, which I suspect most will. Larking has NTC as well.
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