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schenn in dumba outwild go for itrebuild later

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Published: Feb. 7, 2023 at 11:12 a.m.
Salary Cap: $82,500,000
Season Days: 65/185 (35%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has been rejected because one of the teams exceeds the 23 player roster limit

Logo of the Minnesota WildMinnesota Wild

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Öhgren, LiamWaivers ExemptMinnesota WildLoan-$0001---0000--
Bankier, CaedanMinnesota WildReserve List-$0001---------
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Minnesota WildMIN)---100------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Miller, J.T.Vancouver CanucksNHL-$1,844,595011---50182745--
Schenn, LukeVancouver CanucksNHL-$298,649011---5031518--
McDonough, AidanVancouver CanucksReserve List-$0001---------
Truscott, JacobVancouver CanucksReserve List-$0001---------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$3,748,5972244623511
Change-$2,143,244222-100
Final$1,605,353 (↓)24 (↑)46 (↑)64 (↑)2 (↓)511214263

Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Miller, J.T.Vancouver CanucksNHL-$5,250,000011---50182745--
Schenn, LukeVancouver CanucksNHL-$850,000011---5031518--
McDonough, AidanVancouver CanucksReserve List-$0001---------
Truscott, JacobVancouver CanucksReserve List-$0001---------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Öhgren, LiamWaivers ExemptMinnesota WildLoan-$0001---0000--
Bankier, CaedanMinnesota WildReserve List-$0001---------
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Minnesota WildMIN)---100------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$4,393,7502347694511
Change$6,100,000-2-2-2100
Final$10,493,750 (↑)21 (↓)45 (↓)67 (↓)5 (↑)511-21-42-63
Feb. 7, 2023 at 11:55 a.m.
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I dont think you realize the cap crunch the wild are in next season
Feb. 7, 2023 at 11:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Milter16
I dont think you realize the cap crunch the wild are in next season


yep i do,so all the more reason to go for it now,while they can.start the rebuild in the summer.wild have cap space, and schenn allows them to move dumba.the wild would slot jt in at first line center.
Feb. 8, 2023 at 12:34 a.m.
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yep i do,so all the more reason to go for it now,while they can.start the rebuild in the summer.wild have cap space, and schenn allows them to move dumba.the wild would slot jt in at first line center.


They don't need to rebuild, it's moronic that they would even try. And it's even more moronic destroying their cap space with a player who isn't a rental and that they LITERALLY CANNOT AFFORD NEXT YEAR.

If they had sucked this year and been in the position of a top 10 pick this year, sure, sell off some pieces and do a quick 1-2 year rebuild.

But they don't, and should remain competitive. Even during the cap crunch the next two years. The Wild literally have a top 3 prospect pool in the league, already, they don't need to rebuild. The cap crunch is gone after two more seasons, and they regain roughly $15M in cap space back, on top of the cap ceiling itself going up over the next few years, plus will have a crap ton of prospects pushing for roster spots on ELC's or young players just coming off them.

They are poised to hit the ground running as one of the strongest potential contenders in just two years time with the dead cap hits coming off and money to burn on high-end FA's if they don't already have them in their system. And they can remain competitive throughout. So why the hell would they destroy that by taking a cap dump who costs $8M that would force them to sell off important pieces of the future and put their contending window time-line back by likely 3-4 years.

That's just stupid.

If they wanted a center from Vancouver to *go for it*.

It would of been Horvat.

They didn't.

They sure as **** don't want Miller.
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Feb. 8, 2023 at 6:56 a.m.
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Another "PLEASE TAKE JT MILLER" deal
Feb. 8, 2023 at 9:53 a.m.
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Edited Feb. 8, 2023 at 10:13 a.m.
Quoting: RazWild
They don't need to rebuild, it's moronic that they would even try. And it's even more moronic destroying their cap space with a player who isn't a rental and that they LITERALLY CANNOT AFFORD NEXT YEAR.

If they had sucked this year and been in the position of a top 10 pick this year, sure, sell off some pieces and do a quick 1-2 year rebuild.

But they don't, and should remain competitive. Even during the cap crunch the next two years. The Wild literally have a top 3 prospect pool in the league, already, they don't need to rebuild. The cap crunch is gone after two more seasons, and they regain roughly $15M in cap space back, on top of the cap ceiling itself going up over the next few years, plus will have a crap ton of prospects pushing for roster spots on ELC's or young players just coming off them.

They are poised to hit the ground running as one of the strongest potential contenders in just two years time with the dead cap hits coming off and money to burn on high-end FA's if they don't already have them in their system. And they can remain competitive throughout. So why the hell would they destroy that by taking a cap dump who costs $8M that would force them to sell off important pieces of the future and put their contending window time-line back by likely 3-4 years.

That's just stupid.

If they wanted a center from Vancouver to *go for it*.

It would of been Horvat.

They didn't.

They sure as **** don't want Miller.


moronic how many times,stupid ok.this will be our last, on my part discussion.minn has some good,nothing top end prospects,but ohgren the one involved here is at best a 2nd line left winger 50 to 60 pt guy,not a star.bankier slots into a future 3rd line role,and a 1st in a good draft.cap space,and recouping assets,does schenn not enable the wild to replace dumba, get a asset maybe a 1st, get rid of 5mil for the rest of the yr.and be in a good position to resign schenn to a reasonable contract.buts its jt.you have no 1st line center and your under some illusion that your a contender.the wild have been a middling,in my opinion boring team forever,with no real chance,sounds like you call that competitive,i call it mediocre.but this contender talk is truly funny,right now there out in the first rd,they have no first line center.bo now makes 8.5,how do you know the wild didnt make a swing.they sure should have.but where the illusion of being a contender,competitive for the next 2 yrs comes from is beyond me,no cap space and no first line center,please dont give me rossi,he looks like a small tweener.they cant do anything starting next yr,this is there window.go get a first line center.and get out of the mushy middle for just once.
Feb. 8, 2023 at 10:00 a.m.
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Another "PLEASE TAKE JT MILLER" deal


jt is coming off a 99pt season, is always a pt a game,thats the money those guys make.the canucks are rebuilding,sounds like vegas is kicking tires,jt is a first line forward those guys dont grow on trees.
Feb. 8, 2023 at 12:01 p.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
They don't need to rebuild, it's moronic that they would even try. And it's even more moronic destroying their cap space with a player who isn't a rental and that they LITERALLY CANNOT AFFORD NEXT YEAR.

If they had sucked this year and been in the position of a top 10 pick this year, sure, sell off some pieces and do a quick 1-2 year rebuild.

But they don't, and should remain competitive. Even during the cap crunch the next two years. The Wild literally have a top 3 prospect pool in the league, already, they don't need to rebuild. The cap crunch is gone after two more seasons, and they regain roughly $15M in cap space back, on top of the cap ceiling itself going up over the next few years, plus will have a crap ton of prospects pushing for roster spots on ELC's or young players just coming off them.

They are poised to hit the ground running as one of the strongest potential contenders in just two years time with the dead cap hits coming off and money to burn on high-end FA's if they don't already have them in their system. And they can remain competitive throughout. So why the hell would they destroy that by taking a cap dump who costs $8M that would force them to sell off important pieces of the future and put their contending window time-line back by likely 3-4 years.

That's just stupid.

If they wanted a center from Vancouver to *go for it*.

It would of been Horvat.

They didn't.

They sure as **** don't want Miller.


Yikes! You can dial it back to an 8! I appreciate your fandom, and that MIN may have NO desire to pick up Miller (most of the league seems to have an issue with him despite the point per game play)….BUT, THERE ARE WAY WORSE IDEAS THAN THIS ONE FOR MIN! I get they could go either way between two year rebuild due to cap issues vs. drive through those issues like a freight train in a fine china shop. And if Guerin decides to continue to go for it, then I applaud him for it! Unfortunately Dumba may be a cap casualty because of it…which could lead to someone needed to fill the void and they could do worse than Schenn in that equation…just IMHO
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Feb. 8, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
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Quoting: penguinswin
Yikes! You can dial it back to an 8! I appreciate your fandom, and that MIN may have NO desire to pick up Miller (most of the league seems to have an issue with him despite the point per game play)….BUT, THERE ARE WAY WORSE IDEAS THAN THIS ONE FOR MIN! I get they could go either way between two year rebuild due to cap issues vs. drive through those issues like a freight train in a fine china shop. And if Guerin decides to continue to go for it, then I applaud him for it! Unfortunately Dumba may be a cap casualty because of it…which could lead to someone needed to fill the void and they could do worse than Schenn in that equation…just IMHO


Sorry, but I will not do that.

It's been explained to this guy TWICE now; and not just by me, but by fans from neutral fanbases too, that Miller DOES NOT WORK FROM A CAP HIT STANDPOINT in not just one thread. But now TWO. After being told it doesn't work and that Minnesota wouldn't do this in his last thread, he posted this exact trade a SECOND time. The only difference is that he added Truscott to the trade this time. As if that changes things.

This year is NOT the problem. It's the NEXT TWO years after this that the organization cannot literally afford Miller.

JT Miller:
2022-23 cap hit - $5.25M
2023-30 cap hit - $8M

Minnesota Wild:
2022-23 current cap space - $10.6M
2022-23 TDL cap space - $16.5M

2023-24 available cap space - $9.3M
2023-24 current roster size/signed players - 14

AFTER MILLER ACQUISITION:
2023-24 available cap space - $1.3M
2023-24 roster size/signed players - 15

22 full roster count size minus 15 signed players = 7 roster spots left to fill.

Basic math tells you that the Wild would have $1.3M left to sign/utilize SEVEN players/ELC's. That's not economically feasible there chief.

I don't care if Miller is a fit or not, or if it's a *go for it* move. It destroys the cap for the next two years where the Wild are forced to sell off high-end talent, IE Kaprizov, just in order to field a full roster.

Which is what this guy is literally stating they should do. Destroy the team, just to go all in this year. Sorry, but that's moronic. Again, if the team had absolutely sucked this year, you bottom out and get the best pick you can in the deepest draft since 2015 and reload for next year. But the fact of the matter is, is that they're a playoff caliber team with or without Miller. That just so happens to have the top ranked prospect pool in the league.

There is ZERO reason for them to rebuild.
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Feb. 8, 2023 at 4:53 p.m.
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jt is coming off a 99pt season, is always a pt a game,thats the money those guys make.the canucks are rebuilding,sounds like vegas is kicking tires,jt is a first line forward those guys dont grow on trees.


You know that there are other thing more important then the stats ?? JT Miller may have made a 99 pts season but is attitude is really horrible and screw is value. Most gm don't want to add him because he is starting to look to be a room cancer.

That even without talking about salary cap wise...
Feb. 9, 2023 at 10:15 a.m.
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You know that there are other thing more important then the stats ?? JT Miller may have made a 99 pts season but is attitude is really horrible and screw is value. Most gm don't want to add him because he is starting to look to be a room cancer.

That even without talking about salary cap wise...


i know jt and schenn,have had words,and the tapping his stick to get delia to go to the bench wasnt a good look.hes intense,but i havent heard anything about being a cancer in the room.hes a front line forward,that has earned his contract.
Feb. 9, 2023 at 2:57 p.m.
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i know jt and schenn,have had words,and the tapping his stick to get delia to go to the bench wasnt a good look.hes intense,but i havent heard anything about being a cancer in the room.hes a front line forward,that has earned his contract.


It's not only that there small thing you can see about the other players how to react to him that told the story.
When you have Pettersson and Quinn laughing about you negatively that a bad sign of team chemistry.
 
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