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Leafs Trade For Huberdeau Plus Other Pieces

Created by: KingExLeafs
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 10, 2023
Published: Feb. 10, 2023
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Huberdeau is a better playmaker than Nylander so I think he will gel with Tavares and/or Matthews a lot more since they both like to shoot.
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1.
TOR
  1. Andersson, Rasmus
  2. Huberdeau, Jonathan
  3. Zary, Connor
  4. 2023 1st round pick (CGY)
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Leafs help the Flames out by moving on from Huberdeau and his massive contract, and they have to pay a hefty price for it. Leafs will have to pay Nylander over 9 million after next season anyways, so why not be proactive and take advantage of the Flames by adding a top 4 defenceman, a 1st, and a prospect?
2.
TOR
  1. Domi, Max ($1,500,000 retained)
CHI
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
3.
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  1. Robertson, Nicholas
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
4.
TOR
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  1. Holl, Justin
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Picked up on waivers
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$800,000$800,000
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Counter offer
Rielly + Nylander + Robertson+ 2023 1st
For
Hanifin + Dube

Flames help the Leafs out by moving on from Rielly and his massive contract, and they have to pay a hefty price for it. Flames will have to pay Hanifin over 6.5 million after next season anyways, so why not be proactive and take advantage of the Leafs by adding a top 6 winger, a 1st, and a prospect?


The difference here is:
Nylander>>>>>>>>>>>Andersson, it's not funny and Calgary's search for a top 6 wing is so much higher than the Leafs need for another Tyson Barrie who might not be the same since injury. To add, Rielly hasn't fully recovered whereas Huberdeau played the entire season.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:36 p.m.
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Quoting: KingExLeafs
You joke, but I think the Flames and Leafs are good trading partners, as they have been in the past. The Phaneuf deal was a great deal for the Leafs back in the day. I think there's a trade that can benefit both teams.


Can you say that without making completely delusional trade offers?

You say things like "Huberdeau in negative value" yet he is one of the best defensive forwards in the league this year. Just like both Gaudreau and Tkachuk, they learned to play defense under Sutter first and then exploded offensively
Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:39 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
tears of joy

You are hilarious. From main piece in a Tkachuk trade to "negative value" amounting to an all-star level player in six months.

Just curious, do you smoke ribs in a microwave? You seem in an awful hurry.


That may be one of the funniest questions ever may I use it?
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Can you say that without making completely delusional trade offers?

You say things like "Huberdeau in negative value" yet he is one of the best defensive forwards in the league this year. Just like both Gaudreau and Tkachuk, they learned to play defense under Sutter first and then exploded offensively


But he does. That's the truth. Making 10.5 million comes with high expectations. Leafs fans know better than most. Being defensively responsible is the bare minimum.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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Quoting: KingExLeafs
If they're smart the answer is yes.


If someone is holding a gun to their head the answer is yes.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:43 p.m.
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The difference here is:
Nylander>>>>>>>>>>>Andersson, it's not funny and Calgary's search for a top 6 wing is so much higher than the Leafs need for another Tyson Barrie who might not be the same since injury. To add, Rielly hasn't fully recovered whereas Huberdeau played the entire season.


I mean I wouldn't trade Ras straight up for Nylander so clearly you are just bias. Just like how I said for 3 years that Tkachuk was just as good as Marner (and obviously I was right after last year and this years results) Im confident in saying Ras is worth just as much, especially when you factor in cap hit and term. The fact that you compare Ras to Tyson Barrie is crazy considering one plays in all situations and 25 minutes a night while the other spends a quarter of his ice time on the powerplay
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
I agree with everything except for this:

1. Andersson for Nylander would be a laugh from Dubas. Calgary would have to add a lot more and frankly, Toronto should be looking for a guy like Andersson in the first place whereas Calgary would get the better player and fill the position they need
4.10.5mill for someone who's entire job is to pass when he isn't one of the best at that is a little steep. I feel as though Huberdeau would get (from the Leafs perspective): Muzzin+2023 first+Knies+2024 first for Huberdeau (10% retained) or something like that


Andersson on the Leafs would be a point behind Bunting (5th) in scoring, he'd be 2nd in +/-, leading the team in ice time, under contract until 2026, cap hit 4.55, he's become an untouchable with how he's played this season. The Flames don't have the horses to make Nylander as good as he is in Toronto.

That's closer to a reasonable return obviously, again though, Huberdeau to the Flames is worth the time, if he's back to even career averages next season (0.89ppg) he's worth more to Calgary at the start of an 8 year deal than what they would get for him in a trade. Especially with the way the Flames project for the next few years, Lucic, Lewis, Ritchie will be replaces with Zary's, Pelletier's, Coronato's etc.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
The difference here is:
Nylander>>>>>>>>>>>Andersson, it's not funny and Calgary's search for a top 6 wing is so much higher than the Leafs need for another Tyson Barrie who might not be the same since injury. To add, Rielly hasn't fully recovered whereas Huberdeau played the entire season.


I don't know if you watch hockey at all really.. The only similarity in Andersson and Barrie's games is their cap hit.
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:49 p.m.
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But he does. That's the truth. Making 10.5 million comes with high expectations. Leafs fans know better than most. Being defensively responsible is the bare minimum.


Lol ok so a guy with 4 years in a row of well over a PPG is just suddenly worthless? Maybe watch him play hockey, he's still one of the best passers in the league without question
Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I mean I wouldn't trade Ras straight up for Nylander so clearly you are just bias. Just like how I said for 3 years that Tkachuk was just as good as Marner (and obviously I was right after last year and this years results) Im confident in saying Ras is worth just as much, especially when you factor in cap hit and term.


Andersson is like Barrie but bigger. I wouldn't do Nylander for Ras and you 2024 first but whatever, I'm just biased about Nylander. Saying Tkachuk is better than Marner is like saying Matthews is better than Mcdavid as in: if you like flashy, offensive minded players, Marner and Mcdavid clear but if you want a complete player, Matthews and Tkachuk are better than their piers. If you want to correct me, reread this post and you know what you prioritize
Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:53 p.m.
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"negative value"

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The Flames have been super unlucky this year - the only teams with a worse PDO than them are Columbus, LA, Anaheim, and Ottawa. If Huberdeau can bounce back next year to even half of the offensive value he had last year, he's easily a 3.0 GSVA player - something that lines up perfectly with a $10.5M AAV. Paying to dump him before that extension kicks in would be so incredibly shortsighted that I can't imagine an actual NHL GM even considering this type of trade.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:53 p.m.
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I don't know if you watch hockey at all really.. The only similarity in Andersson and Barrie's games is their cap hit.


and how they play and the fact that they play PP1 and that they aren't good at playing defence and that they are both not first pairing defensemen and they aren't anywhere near Nylander's value
Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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Quoting: KingExLeafs
The point was that Florida won the trade. Calgary gave up an MVP calibre player in Tkachuk. Holding onto Huberdeau just because or with the hope that he will become what he was on the Panthers is a mistake imo.


Yanni Gourde scored 10 goals in the 19/20 season imagine how badly it would have been if the lightning decided he has negative value because he didn't score a goal from early November until late February and just dumped him like you're suggesting Calgary do. Are you trying to convince yourself or anyone else because don't see many buying the scam your selling.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 1:58 p.m.
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Yanni Gourde scored 10 goals in the 19/20 season imagine how badly it would have been if the lightning decided he has negative value because he didn't score a goal from early November until late February and just dumped him like you're suggesting Calgary do. Are you trying to convince yourself or anyone else because don't see many buying the scam your selling.


Yanni Gourde is in a different category than Huberdeau. He has leeway. But when a guy makes 10+million a year then the team can't afford to be patient imo.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 2:12 p.m.
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Yanni Gourde is in a different category than Huberdeau. He has leeway. But when a guy makes 10+million a year then the team can't afford to be patient imo.


So guys don't go through adjustment periods going from a Q system to a Daryl Sutter system? He's making 5.9 this year.
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 2:14 p.m.
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I really can't tell if this is a joke or not. A guy who has averaged 0.89 ppg prior to this season has "negative value" and the only possible way the Leafs could be enticed to take on his services is to be compensated with a top pair defenceman on a steal of a contract. Elite level bait for sure.
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 2:15 p.m.
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So guys don't go through adjustment periods going from a Q system to a Daryl Sutter system? He's making 5.9 this year.


That's a bet the Flames are making. Maybe they will turn out to be right.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 2:17 p.m.
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I really can't tell if this is a joke or not. A guy who has averaged 0.89 ppg prior to this season has "negative value" and the only possible way the Leafs could be enticed to take on his services is to be compensated with a top pair defenceman on a steal of a contract. Elite level bait for sure.


It doesn't matter what he did on Florida. On Calgary he isn't working out, plus he has a huge extension. Flames will have to pay to move him. That is, if his game doesn't rebound next year, which is a big question mark.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 2:22 p.m.
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That may be one of the funniest questions ever may I use it?


Feel free, sir. Spread it far and wide, so that my words shall live on.
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
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Quoting: KingExLeafs
It doesn't matter what he did on Florida. On Calgary he isn't working out, plus he has a huge extension. Flames will have to pay to move him. That is, if his game doesn't rebound next year, which is a big question mark.


So we should just ignore 10 seasons and trade him based off of 50 games? It's literally been been half a season... I think he'll figure it out eventually
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 3:25 p.m.
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So we should just ignore 10 seasons and trade him based off of 50 games? It's literally been been half a season... I think he'll figure it out eventually


Yes.. you didn't realize that it's a trade to the Leafs?! If a guy is having a career poor year, they'll do us a favour by taking a top pairing D man, top prospect and a 1st and let him bounce back in Toronto!
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 6:24 p.m.
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Quoting: KingExLeafs
Yes, Nylander is the better player and more valuable long term, but the trade is not one for one. The Leafs address other areas in this trade that will make them more competitive.


You have 1m, here and the cap goes up 1m, so that's Samsonov's money. Guessing you want to trade/buyout Murray which would more or less cover Huberdeau's cap increase. So, I guess for next year the money could work, so I was wrong about that.

I still don't think Huberdeau would be a better fit than Nylander but maybe I'm wrong, however, I'm certain that the Leafs wouldn't be getting Huberdeau+all that in a trade.
The problem though is your trade is replicate the Tkachuk trade but the major differences that you overlooked are:

1) The Tkachuk trade is one of a kind, it was considered the best offer by far by Treliving. Just because he accepted that package for Tkachuk, doesn't mean he s willing to offer it for him or another player.
2) Huberdeau and Andersson have term (vs Huberdeau and Weegar), and they are going to be more valuable than if they were on expiring deals. If Huberdeau has absolutely no value, then there is no merit for Toronto to move out Nylander to acquire him.
3) Nylander and Andersson are the same age (Tkachuk is younger than Weegar)
4) CGY can afford to keep Andersson (Florida couldn't afford to keep Weegar beyond this season which is why they were willing to add him as a throw-in)
5) CGY has no cost certainty with Nylander, they can't talk to him about an extension until next season. (Flr knew how much Tkachuk was going to cost). Nylander will be a ufa after his deal, so that can't be overlooked.
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Feb. 11, 2023 at 12:33 p.m.
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Quoting: KingExLeafs
That's a bet the Flames are making. Maybe they will turn out to be right.


Pretty sure they told you where they're laying their money with that extension. This is an utterly delusionally homerish return in Toronto's favor.
 
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