why does dubas need to make an effort to trade actual good pieces for a 34 year old with a bad hip who has always been awful defensivly has been playing like trash offensivly and is currently mailing it in. Hell Kane basically put up a "dont trade for me" performance against the team he apparently wants to go to.
There is zero incentive for the leafs to go after kane

It would be sweet to get Kane for a low price like that, and I do figure it could happen given his NMC and some value is better than no value. I just hate the idea of putting Willy back on the left wing since he's been doing so well on the right this season. I would also think Kane would play with Matthews and Nylander (Matthews and Kane are buddies, and Nylander chose 88 for Kane)

So, for the price of a 3rd, as well as getting the opportunity to jump about 6 spots in the draft, Chicago moves Kane & and Taylor Raddysh?

I'm not going to sit here and say that Kane is worth a massive haul, because he certainly isn't, but I really don't see the benefit here for the Hawks. Take out their 2nd and it might be closer.

He isn't trading any actual good pieces here. It's a third and a fourth, and moving down a few spots since a CHI second is going to be very high and a TOR first would, ideally, be low in the round. You get Raddysh too and he's a good depth player. But I totally agree that Kane put up a "don't trade for me" performance and his hip is bad

The scenario involves Kane only waiving his NMC for Toronto. A 3rd and moving up in the draft is better than getting nothing and letting him walk

CHI declines.

Even in the situation that Kane has actually told the team he wants to move and Toronto and NYR are the only teams on his list and NY is out?

You'd rather keep him and let him walk? Risk the negative perception amongst players of a GM that doesn't do right by his star guys?

Is it though? First, I don't recall seeing Kane say anything about "only waiving for Toronto". If he has, great, take advantage of it. If not, so be it. Taylor Hall was in a similar situation and brought back a 2nd for Buffalo, and was also putting up lackluster numbers at the time.

Let's just ignore Kane in this situation...what's the value of Taylor Raddysh? Surely the fact that he's making $758 k this year and next, and is on pace for 20+ goals this year is the reason why the OP snuck him in there as well, no? Granted, I'll be the first to say that his numbers are absolutely due for regression, but it doesn't negate the fact that he's in the deal, and that all Chicago is getting here is the opportunity to move up (slightly), and get a 3rd.

i totally agree with you, the 2nd coming back makes it to low of an offer.

Read the description. Kane has said he's only waiving his NMC for Toronto or NYR. The assumption here is that by acquiring Tarasenko, NYR is out of the race. That leaves just Toronto. Raddysh isn't very valuable of an asset but I can see how a little more from Toronto might be warranted. That being said, I don't see this as unrealistic in the slightest

Kane has not said those are the only teams he would waive for. Those are just two teams the media said he’d waive for. There is a difference. He hasn’t even requested a trade yet.

Sorry bro my bad I should have telepathically read Patrick Kane's mind instead

Why are you saying Toronto and NYR are the only teams he'd waive for? Did you telepathically read Patrick Kane's mind?

It's what's been reported. Multiple times. I can't read minds neither can you, so we work with what is reported to be the case. BuT tHoSe ArE OnLy tHe TeAmS tHe MeDiA sAiD hE wOuLd wAiVe fOr yeah no **** that how this works

"Do right by his star guys"? We are two weeks away from the deadline and Kane hasn't even made the decision to leave. It's a two way street and Kane wants to do right by the Hawks too. There isn't any bad blood, he isn't kicking and screaming for a trade. A deal has to make sense for all sides. They are all big boys that signed big boy contracts. This narrative that it would have some sort of negative effect on the perception of the team is just another attempt at lowering his trade value. One could argue that, if there isn't a trade, it's his fault for waiting so long to make a decision.

That all being said, CHI isn't sending picks out to anyone and you aren't sneaking Raddysh into that trade without more going to CHI. So, take out Raddysh, and the 2nd and 7th round picks out. If you do that it would be a lot closer, but I'd still be hesitant to trade Kane for so little. You would most likely have to add a prospect like Minten or Moldenhauer. Robertson is not of any interest, he might still turn out ok, but his failure to produce much of anything at the NHL level and constantly being injured are not things I would bet on, especially for a player his size.

That was not a report. That was Coliacavo saying "I heard from some buddies that Kane would go to the NYR's or TOR." He didn't even use the word "only".

If Kane is really only giving you 1 team to deal with (which I doubt is actually the case) do you owe him any favours back?

What if staying in Chicago is what he wants? Do you owe it to him to let him stay or owe it to the fans/franchise to try and get something for him before he walks?

In two years if Matthews refuses to re-sign are you going to be content if the best we can do is land a 3rd round pick from the Kings because Auston refuses to waive his NMC to go anywhere else? Would we have been 'more ok' with Sundin leaving the leafs if we got a 3rd rounder for him instead of him walking for nothing?

I don't think it will take a substantial package to get Kane but there also has to be some legit value going to Chicago

This was speculative from from Carlo Colaiacovo and you seem to be taking it as truth. I get working on what the media reports but we also have not heard a single word on what teams Patrick Kane would accept a trade to from Patrick Kane. So you can not say "Patrick kane said..."

Also, take it easy. We try to be civil on this website.

A member of the Toronto media saying something that quite clearly will generate clicks by singling out a team that quite literally generates the biggest amount of media traffic in hockey? Say it ain't so! Have we not noticed that every player on the trade market inevitably gets linked to the Leafs at some point? 32 thoughts was hilarious this week...every trade thought involved at least 1 reference to the Leafs.

Not that I blame them, or have any issue with it...it's good for business, regardless of whether half the people eat it up and the other half scream "wHy Do YoU oNlY cOvEr ThE lEaFs!!!". If you're in hockey media and want coverage, it's what you have to do.

You work with what you've got. It's capfriendly armchair GM dude

Well Kane isn't about to have a press conference where he outlines exactly where he wants to go. He's not gonna say anything publicly.

Another day, another terrible Kane trade from a leafs fan

For sure. And that is fine. Your offer isn't that bad, honestly. I'm just arguing what I don't think it's valid about it or where it lacks in value or nuance. I've just had to argue with a lot of meatheads lately who incessantly make really disrespectful offers and comments. I've been quick to jump on the defensive. So, sorry if I seem abrasive. That's my bad. Also, gauging tone in a forum can be difficult.

Also, I just finally figured out a couple days ago that you can put people on an ignore list, which has been better for my sanity. haha

Might need to use that LMAO