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(STL/MIN/TOR) - O'Reilly, Acciari for Pillar for Abramov, Gaudette, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

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Feb. 18, 2023 at 1:12 a.m.
#76
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Quoting: aadoyle
In general playoff series be unpredictable so I'm not even gonna guess like did anyone have Campbell shutting out Tampa game 1


Yah but still, this is a good trade on paper. Go leafs go
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Feb. 18, 2023 at 1:25 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Think every team wins here.

Minnesota - Free 4th Round Pick for Cap Space which has 0 value to them
Toronto - Gets a 3RD LINE CENTER in ROR that gives them the best center core in the league. He's fading, but he's a beast come playoff time and a proven leader that will help the Leafs. Steep price for 2 rentals, but Dubas is desperate to save his job and the Leafs need a trade like this if they want any chance of making the 2nd round (still very unlikely IMO)
St.Louis - Got a mid 20's pick in a very deep draft + a 2nd + 3rd and 2 players with bottom 9 potential in the NHL for a fading UFA Rental Center that's going to want a fat contract for his retirement. Great value


Read two sentences. Avs Win.
Feb. 18, 2023 at 2:33 a.m.
#78
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Feb. 18, 2023 at 4:35 a.m.
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ontario boys will run through a wall for the maple leafs


I seem to recall an Ontario boy running back to Tampa Bay taking less than was offered by the leafs. But yeah no one (in their prime seems to take a hometown discount to be in Toronto. See Tavares
Feb. 18, 2023 at 6:28 a.m.
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stl wins easily.but what i dont understand is,why the wild would retain half,helping the leafs for only a 4th.minnesota is the loser here,retaining on orielly,with ryan hartman as there number 1 center.a middling team that never has a real chance.they needed orielly.
Feb. 18, 2023 at 6:56 a.m.
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Leafs are going to Ryan the playoffs attitude-player
Feb. 18, 2023 at 6:59 a.m.
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I'm excited for Leafs fans! Biggest move toward winning I've seen Dubas make. Congrats and I'm excited to watch.
Feb. 18, 2023 at 7:28 a.m.
#83
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I like this for Toronto and STL, Toronto gets RoR a proven leader and while possibly declining, still a great player and Acciari to help with their depth. STL gets a 1st + a couple of other picks and some meh players. Not sure why Minnesota traded Pillar and retained 25% on RoR only to get a 4th 2 years away
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Feb. 18, 2023 at 7:53 a.m.
#84
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
You're losing at least 1 of those this year. No way are they done yet. They still need to improve their defense and/or goaltending.


Great. I'm down!
Feb. 18, 2023 at 7:56 a.m.
#85
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Quoting: Jco5ta5
It would’ve been Tampa in 5 before this deal. ROR gets them a game.


Wow. Giving the Leafs absolutely no credit...
Everyone knows the Leafs lose in game 7's.
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Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:04 a.m.
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Quoting: mondo
if the leafs crash and burn again it's a quality first


26 overall or lower is not really "quality"
Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:16 a.m.
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
I seem to recall an Ontario boy running back to Tampa Bay taking less than was offered by the leafs. But yeah no one (in their prime seems to take a hometown discount to be in Toronto. See Tavares


who are you recalling? if you're thinking stamkos ypur memory is all wrong, never made to ufa , so never was offered anything by other team.s.
Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:25 a.m.
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Quoting: python3504
26 overall or lower is not really "quality"


They aren't winning the division. It will likely be 20-24 depending.
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Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:31 a.m.
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Pretty good haul for STL, hopefully he shows up for Toronto.
Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:33 a.m.
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Edited Feb. 18, 2023 at 9:06 a.m.
A GM on the verge of being fired spent a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and prospect for a 3rd line center soon to be UFA and still get eliminated in the first round.

How could the ownership allow this? LOL

Going all-in on a center, over any other position (defense anyone?!?), tells you all you need to know about the trust the team has in Tavares and Matthews playoffs performances... TB in 7!!!
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Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:33 a.m.
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Edited Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:47 a.m.
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Uh, Tampa in 6?


Based on past 5 yrs. precedent - it will be 7.
Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:35 a.m.
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Quoting: TaiwanNumberOne
What are the Wild doing? As far as I can tell, they took on $3.75M of cap hit and gave up a (marginal?) prospect, and only get a 4th round pick back.


They only took on 1.875M in cap space. The currently have a full roster of 23 and still have a shade under 10M in cap space right now. Not a big deal.
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Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:36 a.m.
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Quoting: Ritzy
They only took on 1.875M in cap space. The currently have a full roster of 23 and still have a shade under 10M in cap space right now. Not a big deal.


Thanks, I read it wrong. It's not so bad after all.
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Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:45 a.m.
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Edited Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:53 a.m.
Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
I seem to recall an Ontario boy running back to Tampa Bay taking less than was offered by the leafs. But yeah no one (in their prime seems to take a hometown discount to be in Toronto. See Tavares


Marner might be a better example.

I think Stamkos got more from Tampa than Toronto planned to offered (in after tax dollars). smile
Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:47 a.m.
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Minnesota gets:

25% of O'Reilly's salary and a 2025 4th round pick

for

A prospect that was recently drafted out of the 4th round

As a team strapped for cap space, the Minnesota Wild have absolutely no business being in this trade.




Toronto gets from St. Louis:

Ryan O'Reilly
Noel Acciari



St. Louis gets from Toronto:

Adam Gaudette
Mikhail Abramov
Unconditional 1st round pick in a deep draft with no lottery protection
2nd round pick
3rd round pick



Acciari is worth a 3rd round pick IMO.

So, it's Gaudette + Abramov + 1st + 2nd for O'Reilly



Ryan O'Reilly is a shell of his former himself.

Toronto is giving up a package that is way too close in value to what Vancouver got for Horvat or what St. Louis spent on O'Reilly back in 2018.



Minnesota and Toronto lose the trade while St. Louis wins the trade by a mile.
Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:49 a.m.
#96
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Quoting: mondo
if the leafs crash and burn again it's a quality first


That's when we start thinking of trading Matthews and Nylander - July 2 is the target date if they don't extend for reasonable price.
We can start getting some of the pick/prospects back.
Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:53 a.m.
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
I seem to recall an Ontario boy running back to Tampa Bay taking less than was offered by the leafs. But yeah no one (in their prime seems to take a hometown discount to be in Toronto. See Tavares


Because 11>>>>>>13.5 million dollars according to your logic
Feb. 18, 2023 at 8:55 a.m.
#98
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Quoting: DoBap
Not gonna lie, I'm getting Nick Foligno vibes from this.

Tell me we couldn't have gotten Chychrun or Meier with a similar haul.


Same

Dubas paid for intangibles in O'Reilly. He's a better hockey player than Foligno, but he's still paying a high price for past performances
Feb. 18, 2023 at 9:19 a.m.
#99
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Quoting: Ritzy
Little steep, but the team definitely got better today. Works for me.


I’m going back and forth, but honestly I think it’s actually good.


It’s pretty much a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th for a cheap ROR and acciari (gaud and abramov are pretty much non assets). I’d be comfy giving up a 1st, 3rd, 4th for ROR at only 1.85m and a 2nd for Acciari (who is super underrated rn).


My thought process is if dubas didn’t make this move and it leaked, Leaf’s fans would not be happy with him
Feb. 18, 2023 at 9:28 a.m.
#100
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Great trade for the Blues, I'd say. They were able to sell two UFA's for fair/good returns and now theyre set up with 3 first rounders in a solid draft. and could add depending on how big the market is for Barbashev. (I would he gets a 2nd + 3rd in return but who knows)

Also a solid trade for the leafs, they have great players they needed a solid player that was built for Playoff hockey. I've think ROR is a perfect fit and Accari makes their depth a lot better. Sometimes you have to pay a steep price but they have a good enough prospect pool that they can afford to pay a little.
 
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