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Team: 2022-23 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 20, 2023
Published: Feb. 20, 2023
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I only include a 4th asset as teams maxs

Like I don’t see WPG willing to part with their package PLUS more than a 3rd. Etc, you get the idea.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$800,000
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. Gunler, Noel
  2. Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
  3. 2023 1st round pick (CAR)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (PHI)
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about what Carolina would max out at I'd guess
CAR
2.
SJS
  1. Lucius, Chaz
  2. McGroarty, Rutger [Reserve List]
  3. 2023 1st round pick (WPG)
  4. 2025 3rd round pick (WPG)
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Definitely Winnipeg's max (I think they'd rather keep Lambert)
WPG
3.
SJS
  1. Brisson, Brendan
  2. Cormier, Lukas
  3. Dean, Zach
  4. 2023 1st round pick (VGK)
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I think Vegas would be willing to offer up extra to nab Meier away from the others
VGK
4.
SJS
  1. Holtz, Alexander
  2. Mukhamadullin, Shakir
  3. 2023 1st round pick (NJD)
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (NJD)
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can't leave without Holtz+1st - and the only way NJD could outbid VGK, WPG, CAR. He's equal (at worst) or better than Morrow+1st, Rutger+1st, Cormier+1st.

This brings it down to every teams 2nd piece, Gunler+2nd are equal to Lucuis+3rd. Dean+Brisson leads me to seeing if VGK would part with those 3 (keeping their other D prospects) they're in the lead as I think VGK would definitely want to outbid WPG (both teams want to win ASAP). This leads me to seeing the Devils (who require a Meier extension to trade) need to beat:

Brisson
Cormier
1st (2023)

at minimum if we want exclude Gunler/ Lucuis/ Dean.

This again brings me back to Mukhamadullin. Vegas I think would easily give up Cormier and Brisson; they're such a wild team they'd take this swing. You can't beat Cormier with Walsh or Bahl.
NJD
5.
SJS
  1. Johnson, Ryan [Reserve List]
  2. Kulich, Jiri
  3. 2023 1st round pick (BUF)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (BUF)
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And lastly we have Buffalo, who knows Holtz/ Cormier are probably on the table. By my own structural assumption Buffalo needs to top:

Holtz/ 1st/ B+ prospect (Muk)
Cormier/ 1st/ B+ prospect (Brisson)

Here NJD look like they have the edge.
So now we get Buffalo involved.
Sabres fans have said it would probably be Kulich and I think Johnson is a no brainer.
BUF
    wildcard - Buffalo appears
    6.
    SJS
      I think if youre San Jose - have to "accept" any offer of:

      Holtz/ 1st/ Muk
      Cormier/ 1st/ Brisson
      Kulich/ 1st/ Johnson

      wpg/ car come second (although I do like Morow/ Rutger)
      any assets you get on top of that trio is great. I would find it hard to believe though that Vegas isnt going to attempt to throw those 3 at the Sharks - which is why I suggest the other two values.
      NJD
      7.
      SJS
      NJD
      1. Brisson, Brendan
      2. Cormier, Lukas
      3. Dean, Zach
      4. Gunler, Noel
      5. Holtz, Alexander
      6. Johnson, Ryan
      7. Kulich, Jiri
      8. Lucius, Chaz
      9. Mukhamadullin, Shakir
      10. 2023 1st round pick (CAR)
      11. 2023 1st round pick (WPG)
      12. 2023 1st round pick (BUF)
      13. 2023 1st round pick (NJD)
      14. 2023 1st round pick (VGK)
      15. 2023 2nd round pick (NJD)
      16. 2024 2nd round pick (BUF)
      17. 2024 2nd round pick (PHI)
      18. 2025 3rd round pick (WPG)
      8.
      SJS
        Ill go with Buffalo winning the bid - as I believe they want to push for the playoffs and really try and kill off Ottawa/ Det as I don't see either making as big of a move and it would take away NJD's addition as well.
        BUF
        9.
        SJS
        1. Savoie, Matthew
        2. 2023 2nd round pick (VGK)
        3. 2023 2nd round pick (BUF)
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        Now I only bring this up as to have a discussion. The Sharks were incredibly high on Savoie (believed to be the reason why the Sharks traded back) - would Buffalo entertain that move to keep Jiri who looks closer to NHL ready? It also surely confirms Buffalo cannot be outbid and they lose less total assets? Just a thought.

        Worst of the 3 2nds go to SJS
        BUF
        1. Meier, Timo ($3,000,000 retained)
        2. 2023 5th round pick (CBJ)
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        Actual package like Johnson, Kulich, 1st + whatever
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        Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:25 p.m.
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        Savoie and two 2nds would be a fleece by buffalo compared to the rest of these deals, if they have interest in Meier
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        Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:27 p.m.
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        Holtz hurt his hip today, pass on him until we know what that is.

        Pass on Savoie and no 1st coming back

        I wouldn’t accept a 1st, Brisson and Cormier deal from Vegas, certainly not a must accept like stated in the trade.

        The others are good but certainly the ceiling of what I see Meier getting. Carolina must have is Morrow, Buffalo must have is Kulich, and to me devils must have is Hughes or Nemec but we all know what their fans will say about that
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:28 p.m.
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        Quoting: MarcBergevin69
        Savoie and two 2nds would be a fleece by buffalo compared to the rest of these deals, if they have interest in Meier


        Do you mean Buffalo fleeces SJS (just to clarify).
        I think the Sharks scouts are really high on Savoie - so I’d bet Grier would do something like that. Just to open the conversation.
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:29 p.m.
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        Quoting: glarson17
        Holtz hurt his hip today, pass on him until we know what that is.

        Pass on Savoie and no 1st coming back

        I wouldn’t accept a 1st, Brisson and Cormier deal from Vegas, certainly not a must accept like stated in the trade.

        The others are good but certainly the ceiling of what I see Meier getting. Carolina must have is Morrow, Buffalo must have is Kulich, and to me devils must have is Hughes or Nemec but we all know what their fans will say about that


        You can’t be serious on Hughes or Nemec.
        That’s never gonna happen: but if Grier somehow swings that I’ll eat it. But I’d put a large portion of money down Muk/Holtz is the Devils top offer.

        As for Savoie see my comment above.
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        Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:39 p.m.
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        You can’t be serious on Hughes or Nemec.
        That’s never gonna happen: but if Grier somehow swings that I’ll eat it. But I’d put a large portion of money down Muk/Holtz is the Devils top offer.

        As for Savoie see my comment above.


        It was never confirmed San Jose was in on Savoie, that type of stuff never comes out. Just pure speculation. I’d be fine with Savoie but there has to be at least a 1st coming back. I don’t see the rentals so far this season going for a ‘23 1st and Meier not get one.

        As far as the Hughes Nemec deal, Grier has to shoot for an A prospect and both are exactly that. Sharks are thin at D, there’s many teams interested in Meier and they don’t have to move him. Everyone continues to think he has to be moved which he doesn’t. Sharks would be just fine retaining the services of a likely 40+ goal scorer. Grier has made it clear that if you want him you have to step up and force him to accept an offer he can’t refuse. Hughes or Nemec would do that and beat out any other suitors.
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:39 p.m.
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        I don't think I've seen any Sabre fan say they'd give up Kulich in a Meier trade
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:50 p.m.
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        Not a chance Winnipeg agrees to move both Lucius and McGroarty for Meier even with an extension, imo.
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:50 p.m.
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        Winnipeg won't give up both Lucius and McGroarty in a Meier trade. Replace Lucius with Heinola and you got yourself a deal.
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:52 p.m.
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        Quoting: Shibbal18
        I don't think I've seen any Sabre fan say they'd give up Kulich in a Meier trade


        I’ve seen a handful plus in relation to JJP Savoie that Kulich moves over them. Levi JJP Quinn Krebs ain’t moving.

        Quoting: glarson17
        It was never confirmed San Jose was in on Savoie, that type of stuff never comes out. Just pure speculation. I’d be fine with Savoie but there has to be at least a 1st coming back. I don’t see the rentals so far this season going for a ‘23 1st and Meier not get one.

        As far as the Hughes Nemec deal, Grier has to shoot for an A prospect and both are exactly that. Sharks are thin at D, there’s many teams interested in Meier and they don’t have to move him. Everyone continues to think he has to be moved which he doesn’t. Sharks would be just fine retaining the services of a likely 40+ goal scorer. Grier has made it clear that if you want him you have to step up and force him to accept an offer he can’t refuse. Hughes or Nemec would do that and beat out any other suitors.


        I’d love to see a 1st with Savoie - as for Savoie draft; it wasn’t reported but I’d say in terms of speculation, I see it as quite realistic. Felt like a Wilson Jr staff guy. Once he went I kinda had no idea who we’d pick and then they did trade back.
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:55 p.m.
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        Quoting: Windjammer
        Not a chance Winnipeg agrees to move both Lucius and McGroarty for Meier even with an extension, imo.


        Quoting: Benzino204
        Winnipeg won't give up both Lucius and McGroarty in a Meier trade. Replace Lucius with Heinola and you got yourself a deal.


        I thought WPG would prefer to keep Heinola and Samberg to help their defence stay strong if they move some money out on their backend for the future. I was just under the assumption 2 of their current defenders would have new teams in 2023/24.
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:59 p.m.
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        I thought WPG would prefer to keep Heinola and Samberg to help their defence stay strong if they move some money out on their backend for the future. I was just under the assumption 2 of their current defenders would have new teams in 2023/24.


        Heinola might be in play, but not Samberg imo. A first this year and 2 recent firsts just isn't going to happen.
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        Feb. 20, 2023 at 7:11 p.m.
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        Quoting: yikes
        I’ve seen a handful plus in relation to JJP Savoie that Kulich moves over them. Levi JJP Quinn Krebs ain’t moving.



        I’d love to see a 1st with Savoie - as for Savoie draft; it wasn’t reported but I’d say in terms of speculation, I see it as quite realistic. Felt like a Wilson Jr staff guy. Once he went I kinda had no idea who we’d pick and then they did trade back.

        I'd move Savoie or Ostlund over him. The majority of Sabres fans do something around Ostlund and Johnson+. I'm down for Savoie and a 1st
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        Feb. 20, 2023 at 7:17 p.m.
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        It’s reasonable to think that 1 of the guys Buffalo drafted in the 1st last year would be involved
        A 1st would most likely be involved as well
        Beyond that, who knows?
        And anyone guessing which prospect Buffalo & the Sharks would agree on is doing just that- guessing
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 7:19 p.m.
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        Quoting: Shibbal18
        I'd move Savoie or Ostlund over him. The majority of Sabres fans do something around Ostlund and Johnson+. I'm down for Savoie and a 1st


        To me, Savoie and Kulich aren't on the docket for a trade regardless; especially if they expect a 1st too. It makes zero sense to trade your Top 22 1st and your '23 1st for anyone this year; especially Meier who likely will play hard ball over his contract
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 7:29 p.m.
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        I would still think Holtz/Muk beats out Buffalo.

        BUF advantage would be if their pick gets in 10-12 range, or adding a goalie prospect...so I guess it would depend on what SJS needs the most.
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 7:29 p.m.
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        I thought WPG would prefer to keep Heinola and Samberg to help their defence stay strong if they move some money out on their backend for the future. I was just under the assumption 2 of their current defenders would have new teams in 2023/24.


        If gthere's a choice between Heinola and Samberg, the team keeps Samberg. He's consistently in the lineup, and is more ahead in his development than Heinola (who I still think will be a top 4 defenseman somewhere). The other defenseman to go will be Stanley. They have some defenseman with term and have a couple young defenseman who could develop in a couple years
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 7:35 p.m.
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        Slight Carolina Win
        Fair
        Too Little
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        Swap a 2nd with 1st in Savoie fair
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 8:02 p.m.
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        Quoting: yikes
        Do you mean Buffalo fleeces SJS (just to clarify).
        I think the Sharks scouts are really high on Savoie - so I’d bet Grier would do something like that. Just to open the conversation.


        yes I mean that
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 8:03 p.m.
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        All these seem a bit much except the Savoie trade. It'd be pretty awesome for SJ if they get these returns
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 8:19 p.m.
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        Quoting: Shibbal18
        I'd move Savoie or Ostlund over him. The majority of Sabres fans do something around Ostlund and Johnson+. I'm down for Savoie and a 1st


        Quoting: Buffalove
        It’s reasonable to think that 1 of the guys Buffalo drafted in the 1st last year would be involved
        A 1st would most likely be involved as well
        Beyond that, who knows?
        And anyone guessing which prospect Buffalo & the Sharks would agree on is doing just that- guessing


        Quoting: NHLfan10506
        I would still think Holtz/Muk beats out Buffalo.

        BUF advantage would be if their pick gets in 10-12 range, or adding a goalie prospect...so I guess it would depend on what SJS needs the most.


        I think Kulich/ Savoie/ Holtz are toss up. It’s pretty subjective at that point Holtz had his own killer AHL year prior, Kulichs in his own killer first AHL year, and Savoie is still a budding stud like Holtz and Kulich. San Jose wants a goalie prospect (I think Masiask reported that a month ago) but no one’s really got one that’s available whos miles ahead of Strauss Mann or Makiniemi/ not one that’s going to move (I doubt the Sabres even consider the letter L being used in a sentence). If Buffalo moves a first (I’m going to assume there’s top 10 protections or lottery of some sort) - they do lead as I see Savoie > Holtz; Holtz who’s = to Kulich (that’s my gut opinion). Nothing against Ostlund but if I’m grabbing a Swede it’s Holtz.

        Muk vs Johnson is close to me but I’d give edge to Muk due to the AHL.

        Buffalo and NJD both get an extension which I think Meiers willing to do Buffalo as a city is underrated and its sport blood is as deep as it gets (the cities preparing for multi sport dynasty attempts). New Jersey is historic and great location in the US. I don’t see any issues with an extension. I’d assume Tkachuks aav or a tad lower. Cant see him fussing over his QO like so many harp about (it’s a point that’s been beaten to death and makes no sense for him).

        Quoting: thewookie1
        To me, Savoie and Kulich aren't on the docket for a trade regardless; especially if they expect a 1st too. It makes zero sense to trade your Top 22 1st and your '23 1st for anyone this year; especially Meier who likely will play hard ball over his contract


        See above/ Buffalo and New Jersey can’t be tiptoeing; they’re teams who can win within 5 years if things go right. Cant wait for 18yr olds to become 21yr and go off hope. Showing your team (staff, players, fans, management, volunteers, etc) that you have that same belief in them is much more valuable than holding onto 2-3 assets that “may” improve your team in incalculable amount of time (could be 1-4 years could be never). Imagine Thompsons 40-50g seasons with Meier who can also put up 30-40g and play a much more physical style than Oloffson or Skinner. Also reduces pressure on JJP, Quinn, Cozens (this same argument exactly applies to NJD and their core as well (ie Tatar, Palat/ Hughes Hughes Nemec Bratt etc etc).

        Quoting: Benzino204
        If gthere's a choice between Heinola and Samberg, the team keeps Samberg. He's consistently in the lineup, and is more ahead in his development than Heinola (who I still think will be a top 4 defenseman somewhere). The other defenseman to go will be Stanley. They have some defenseman with term and have a couple young defenseman who could develop in a couple years


        Yeah I wasn’t going to suggest Samberg, I know the peg is high on him and he’s shown well. Didn’t know how to project the WPG d situation to play out so left all the D alone. Regardless of my opinion on Heinola (where I’d rather Samberg loool).
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 8:21 p.m.
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        What about from the Blues seeing as we have 3 firsts and may be acquiring another
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 8:39 p.m.
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        I think Kulich/ Savoie/ Holtz are toss up. It’s pretty subjective at that point Holtz had his own killer AHL year prior, Kulichs in his own killer first AHL year, and Savoie is still a budding stud like Holtz and Kulich. San Jose wants a goalie prospect (I think Masiask reported that a month ago) but no one’s really got one that’s available whos miles ahead of Strauss Mann or Makiniemi/ not one that’s going to move (I doubt the Sabres even consider the letter L being used in a sentence). If Buffalo moves a first (I’m going to assume there’s top 10 protections or lottery of some sort) - they do lead as I see Savoie > Holtz; Holtz who’s = to Kulich (that’s my gut opinion). Nothing against Ostlund but if I’m grabbing a Swede it’s Holtz.

        Muk vs Johnson is close to me but I’d give edge to Muk due to the AHL.

        Buffalo and NJD both get an extension which I think Meiers willing to do Buffalo as a city is underrated and its sport blood is as deep as it gets (the cities preparing for multi sport dynasty attempts). New Jersey is historic and great location in the US. I don’t see any issues with an extension. I’d assume Tkachuks aav or a tad lower. Cant see him fussing over his QO like so many harp about (it’s a point that’s been beaten to death and makes no sense for him).


        I am not big on Savoie. I know less about Kulich, but he sounds solid. Ohtlund (along with linemates Lekkerimaki and Ohgren) were all possibly overdrafted a bit. But I guess if Grier wants to build Djurgardens West, it's a step in right direction.

        I think Muk > RyJo (by a considerable amount). Although I love most that Gopher blueline.

        If its....
        BUF: Ostlund or Savoie + RyJo + 1st (~18th overall)
        NJD: Mukhamadullin + Holtz + 1st (~25th overall)
        ...its clearly NJD for me

        If its....
        BUF: Ostlund or Savoie + RyJo + 1st (~10th overall)
        NJD: Mukhamadullin + Holtz + 1st (~25th overall)
        ...its darn close.

        Buffalo adds Portillo, NJD adds Brennan.
        Buffalo adds Bloom, NJD adds Hauser
        Buffalo adds a 2nd, NJD adds a 2nd

        In short, BUF vs NJD is the bidding war SJS should want.
        I don't think a CAR vs NJD bidding war lasts very long.
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        Feb. 20, 2023 at 9:34 p.m.
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        Quoting: NHLfan10506
        I am not big on Savoie. I know less about Kulich, but he sounds solid. Ohtlund (along with linemates Lekkerimaki and Ohgren) were all possibly overdrafted a bit. But I guess if Grier wants to build Djurgardens West, it's a step in right direction.

        I think Muk > RyJo (by a considerable amount). Although I love most that Gopher blueline.

        If its....
        BUF: Ostlund or Savoie + RyJo + 1st (~18th overall)
        NJD: Mukhamadullin + Holtz + 1st (~25th overall)
        ...its clearly NJD for me

        If its....
        BUF: Ostlund or Savoie + RyJo + 1st (~10th overall)
        NJD: Mukhamadullin + Holtz + 1st (~25th overall)
        ...its darn close.

        Buffalo adds Portillo, NJD adds Brennan.
        Buffalo adds Bloom, NJD adds Hauser
        Buffalo adds a 2nd, NJD adds a 2nd

        In short, BUF vs NJD is the bidding war SJS should want.
        I don't think a CAR vs NJD bidding war lasts very long.


        Kulich is arguably a better pick for the NHL than Savoie but Savoies just got a lot of that dazzle. Kulichs an intriguing Czech.

        I’d say Savoies ceiling is 1st line playmaker but his floor is the lowest. Holtz has the highest ceiling of the three but Kulich has highest floor possibly. All speculation as I see all three as quite close. It’s disappointing that Holtz has struggled this year; otherwise he would be a clear runaway favourite (and likely NJD would not be considering the trade).

        It will be interesting as I really doubt Meier won’t be traded but you never know what’s gonna happen with a trade this sizeable; especially when it’s a GMs first real trade. Grier could fumble it completely and gift Meier to one of two monsters or he could actually give Eklund/ Hertl/ Bordeleau/ 2023 pick some threatening help for their future.

        Edit: Vegas just put Stone on LTIR (9.5 relief). Praying to god it’s not Chayka and a 1st with Korzcak lmao
        Feb. 20, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.
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        Holtz hurt his hip today, pass on him until we know what that is.

        Pass on Savoie and no 1st coming back

        I wouldn’t accept a 1st, Brisson and Cormier deal from Vegas, certainly not a must accept like stated in the trade.

        The others are good but certainly the ceiling of what I see Meier getting. Carolina must have is Morrow, Buffalo must have is Kulich, and to me devils must have is Hughes or Nemec but we all know what their fans will say about that


        Nemec and Hughes are at a level of prospect that simply doesn't get traded for anything
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        Feb. 20, 2023 at 10:38 p.m.
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        Kulich is arguably a better pick for the NHL than Savoie but Savoies just got a lot of that dazzle. Kulichs an intriguing Czech.

        I’d say Savoies ceiling is 1st line playmaker but his floor is the lowest. Holtz has the highest ceiling of the three but Kulich has highest floor possibly. All speculation as I see all three as quite close. It’s disappointing that Holtz has struggled this year; otherwise he would be a clear runaway favourite (and likely NJD would not be considering the trade).

        It will be interesting as I really doubt Meier won’t be traded but you never know what’s gonna happen with a trade this sizeable; especially when it’s a GMs first real trade. Grier could fumble it completely and gift Meier to one of two monsters or he could actually give Eklund/ Hertl/ Bordeleau/ 2023 pick some threatening help for their future.

        Edit: Vegas just put Stone on LTIR (9.5 relief). Praying to god it’s not Chayka and a 1st with Korzcak lmao


        It is my opinion that Holtz will not be made available.
        Historically, top-25 prospects rarely get moved...and if they ever do, is often after a falling out or before an upcoming contract.
        Holtz is in good shape, has been getting a lot of attention from coaches...and has ELC for two more years.
        Goalscorers rarely develop slowly and progressively. Something usually clicks and we see big step changes.
        So really hard to measure where he is vs where he should be.
        Furthermore, if he were to be used as trade chip, he would not have spent most the year as 13F in NHL.
        He would have been showcased in Utica, playing top-line minutes in AHL.
         
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