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Hutson for Durzi

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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 22, 2023
Published: Feb. 22, 2023
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The Scratches Section is whom i think will be gone in 9 -10 days at the TDL.
Wont bother making those trades the focus here is Durzi for Hutson and the cost.


Lane Hutson is 5'10 first off before anyone comes to try about site's that arent updated regularly saying otherwise check out NCAA's official site for Lane Hutsons team which clearly marks the 2 inch growth spirt last fall . Only reason i noticed the announcers during NCAA games dont shut up about it and the comparisons to Makar .


Hutson address's LAK LD Depth Quality as a team VERY Deep in RD to the same degree MTL is with LD.
We'd have to move a Ghule or a Matheson to make this work , even then Harris ,Xhekaj, Kovacevic, and Struble will be pushing for minutes to this year and next.
Trudeau and Beaudin are great AHL call up options this year with Norlinder to a lesser degree there also.

We got Adam Engstrom according to coaches they've had to escort out of the building for training too much i kid you not. With his team daily , with Junior teams , by himself and never wants to leave the ice. His on ice game shows its paying off as he's 2nd in Rookie production in SHL only to Bystedt (i butchered the name im sure) and contiunes to absorb minutes . He's a Darnell Nurse level Athlete who knows no other way but to train all out all the time .

Clearly Engstrom like Hutson has become a unique variable.
If im choosing between the 2 im taking the dude dominating in a stacked SHL.
Hutsons a Norris Trophy caliber guy 100% no doubts .
Just when i see the interviews and maturity with the way he carries himself i think Lidstrom who was The Norris Trophy Guy for a long period of time based on insane conditioning among other things, but i digress.


Struble has a shot to push out first Wideman then Savard early.
He played beside Harris for 3/4 pro season with the first season and a half on his Right Side.
It was the only way he could get minutes and those were great seasons for Harris offensively.
They form kind of a Eddy-Petry type dynamic that 1st year and assuming his team continues their run in the playoffs he'll be up around 2nd week of April to play at the latest.


Beaudin has an edge because in 10 games beside Barron they did more on PP then
The entire Laval Roster combined in the previous almost 30 games.
They pass effortlessly to each other and seem to have an instant chemistry .
If injuries happen he might buy himself the rest of the year in the NHL the way we're going.

Trudeau is just boned despite overachieving i have better odds of finding my innonence again then he has of making MTL's roster full time .
We'd have to lose someone longterm like Ghule or Matheson for him to get a shot in a very small time frame
Thats the only way i see him pushing someone our as RD has better options today atleast .
Which would have been his best chance to showcase his talent


Our Right Defense on the other hand is Barron, Mailloux and project player Tournigy
Thats it outside Savard and Wideman who will be gone the minute they can be pushed out.


Durzi for Hutson makes sense for MTL.
For LAK assuming they see him as more then just a top 10 NCAA scorer but also as a fit to a hole they have.
Bjornfot isnt that guy and Anderson cant play both top 4 LD roles by himself long term.
Hutson fits in nicely between them though and offers the same PP playmaking ability Durzi does.
Question becomes now ,Whats the Cost?

I'm not sure as i've had LAK fans tell me fill that LD hole and a 2nd or a 3rd and Durzi's ours
But ive also heard he's untouchable unless they get a Romanov type deal and a prospect
I'm willing to do either , i dont care as this post is solely about finding the middle ground on cost.


All i ask is be productive in your comments

I'm starting out with us paying for NHL ready vs close to NHL ready /maybe next year.
I figure Durzi and Hutson need balance and the edge needs to go to LAK
Kidney gives LAK time and a wiaver exempt player for 3 years vs 1 with Turcotte.
Kidney is at a better place then Turcotte is as he struggles in his 3rd year Pro in LAK system.
1st round pick gives both teams insurance as a 2024 pick is worth it for MTL while a 2023 if Turcotte someone breaks out is worth it to LAK

Both Kidney and Hutson could be ready as soon as next training camp.
If Hutson wins the Hobey then like 95% of all winners i expect he'll turn Pro.
Kidney could got back to Junior for a Suzuki like Memorial Cup run whether he wins this year or not.
He's got better odds of making the jump to the NHL with a little more time to pack on muscle as his style of play is Gallagher style spark plug/team guy.
Again Skill set is at the same level but unlike Turcotte i find Kidney's built for battling that comes with bottom 6 roles.

Turcotte i feel if all works out could be a nice option for us .
His age /point in his career he's at fits the gap in our center depth during this rebuild.
Playing inbetween Suzuki and Dvorak could be great and buy us a year until PLD's a UFA.
IF he overachieve's though he'll put us in a position where we wont need PLD .


Both teams gain and both teams win
MTL is the one taking the biggest risk as its a lot more uncertain Turcotte makes the NHL then Kidney or Hutson.
Durzi's a big piece but from what i gathered at the highest a Romanov type deal was ask for.
Well it may be conditional but that FLA pick fits the bill and odds are LAK will convert on it as MTL needs centers and Turcotte would be top call up by proxy.
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  1. Durzi, Sean
  2. Turcotte, Alex
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (LAK)
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-Shouldnt have to sell anyone on Durzi but think Petry if he was good enough to be a #1 RD solo as Durzi showed he can as a rookie with Doughty,Roy and Walker injured much or all of last year. He's also Suzuki's best friend with chemistry and success in Junior together(nice added bonus)

-Turcotte's not progressing entering the final year of his ELC while Kidney is younger and will have an ELC slide on this year giving LAK the same quality with more time and a waiver exempt player for up to 3 year on a cap strapped team. Kidney plays a mix of Gallagher/Marchands style of hockey with an edge and provide's a style of player a deep team like LAK could use.
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  1. Hutson, Lane [Reserve List]
  2. Kidney, Riley
  3. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
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-5'10 check his teams site.
- 7th OA in NCAA scoring (last 2 D to place top 10 won Hobey)
- If he wins will become first rookie since Kariya to win Hobey Baker Award. (Makar won year 2, year 1 he had half Hutsons production)

Bonafide Future All Star and since 2014 most of the Hobey Baker award winners have panned out with a similar success rate as CHL Player of the Year has for Decades.
MTL takes a risk on Turcotte over Kidney as we only got 1 year to turn him around before Waivers. That said im basing alot on him improving in Laval as his dad was a huge name for MTL's AHL system mentoring Claude Lemieux the year he was called up for the 1986 cup run. More then that his chemistry as the Center Caufield played with when he wasnt beside J.Hughes makes him an interesting pick up . While he's a bigger risk if his chemistry with Caufield is still strong he's got a signifigant upside to

Conditional 1st becomes a 2023 FLA pick (17th OA) if Turcotte plays more then 10 NHL games before the end of this season. (covers LAK incase Turcotte breakouts on his own on a injury depleted team that needs a Center in which he becomes the strongest call up option by proxy)
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Feb. 22, 2023 at 1:34 p.m.
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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy
Calm down cowboy
Hutson and Engstrom are YEARS away
Hutson will play another season or two in the NCAA or one in the NCAA & one in Laval. After those two years, Savard contract will be expired
Engstrom will probably play another 2 years in the SHL before making the jump in North America
Kovacevic is overrated, he is a #6 defenseman and ideally a #7

Next year :

Matheson-Savard
Guhle-Edmundson
Xhekaj-Harris
Kovy

2024-25 :

Guhle-Savard
Matheson-Barron
Xhekaj-Harris
Kovy

2025-26 :

Matheson-Harris
Guhle-Barron
Xhekaj-Mailloux
Kovacevic ?

Maybe
Matheson-Barron
Hutson-Guhle
Xhekaj-Harris


This all looks great in Theory.
The last Dman to rank this high won the Hobey Baker over people who produced more as forwards.
The last Rookie to Win the Hobey Baker was Paul Kariya
The last Hobey Baker winner to not turn Pro after was Paul Kariya who got injured missing most of the year.

That said despite missing his 2nd year he opted for after not turing Pro , He turned out a winner despite leaving the NCAA right after.
Kariya ended up playing for Team Canada in the Olympics Silver and World Championship Gold he wouldnt have if he was in the NHL that year.(NHL didnt send all its stars)


That's my main hang up is he's going to finish the top NCAA player.
Whats left for him now at that level?

I'd rather send him to SHL then the AHL
SHL has bigger ice to give him more space and time to learn the defensive side NCAA failed to educate him on.
Bringing him to the AHL the way our players get hurt down there , its not something im anxious to due with an overachieving teen.

If he wasnt overachieving so much and MTL wouldnt be making history by keeping him in the NCAA when they've got nothing left to teach.
If we're keeping him its time for an Auston Matthews level mature move where he went oversea's and became a complete player.
Players who only rely on offense especially with defensman dont win championships, at best you get a Torey Krug you can lose in big games with.


Overall though i think you're just compounding the problem with those defensive combinations the way you got them laid out.
It assumes that like this year and last with Ghule and Xhekaj last year then Huston and Engstrom this year jumping well ahead of projections.
Next year we'll probably have a similar story i think atleast in part due to the adding of Skills Coach Nicholas as historically MTL is lucky to get anyone develop on time let alone early.

I guess im just preparing for tomorrow as a log jam on LD is not as easy to move out at fair trade value with no leverage .
The league's full of LD prospects but RD Prospects on the other hand are paid a premium.
Lets say we wait too long trying to distribute minutes without stunting development or value will be a nightmare even if every veteran was removed overnight *poof*
Feb. 22, 2023 at 1:39 p.m.
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So based on your Theory, Caufield will amount to nothing. The fact that he was drafted by the HABS at no. 15 and passed by other teams, won the Hobey Baker award and is probably the smallest player in the NHL, the HABS will never win a CUP with him. Dude wake up!!!!!!!


Your assertion is Caufield cant play both sides equally as well,He's always been able to play both sides
Thats where i have to stop you with your out of context comparison. You're ignoring my statement to cherry pick things to be outraged about without context.

This is about Defensman playing their offside in a role that is far more physical and demanding in greater quantities.
You know why all Players on defense dont play both sides? Why when most do their offense dips?
Its a choice you make between making the play or being boarded every night , every play.
With Krug he's the exception but the vast Majority of Defensman you see with "LD/RD" are not smaller players.
Those that are smaller are closer to Mete's level then Krugs.

Now if Hutson played both sides equally well like Caufield
Its conversation over , but he doesnt
Feb. 22, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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This is awful. No deal. Habs are interested in Durzi for sure, but not at the cost of the prospect in their pipeline that has the highest ceiling including Slafkovsky. Regardless of where you see his floor.

Also, Justin Barron and Logan Mailloux are gonna be number 3 or 4 defensemen, so the Habs don't really need Durzi as much as the OP seems to imply.


What the cost then ?
ill worry about longterm later
Short term whats the price MTL can live with and LAK fans wont riot over for Durzi ?

If i can do it by Re-uniting Jack Hughes and Tyler Madden back together in LAK system would that work with the conditional 1st or 2nd?
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Feb. 22, 2023 at 2:14 p.m.
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Your assertion is Caufield cant play both sides equally as well,He's always been able to play both sides
Thats where i have to stop you with your out of context comparison. You're ignoring my statement to cherry pick things to be outraged about without context.

This is about Defensman playing their offside in a role that is far more physical and demanding in greater quantities.
You know why all Players on defense dont play both sides? Why when most do their offense dips?
Its a choice you make between making the play or being boarded every night , every play.
With Krug he's the exception but the vast Majority of Defensman you see with "LD/RD" are not smaller players.
Those that are smaller are closer to Mete's level then Krugs.

Now if Hutson played both sides equally well like Caufield
Its conversation over , but he doesnt


There is no conversation here.
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Feb. 22, 2023 at 2:25 p.m.
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Quoting: BadaBing
There is no conversation here.


Same amount you provided in your reponse
Instead of starting a conversation you threw shade instead.

Do you want to have an adult conversation now?
I'm more than happy to but you act like a arse, i'll do the same
Especially when words are put in my mouth or inferences are made that mimic the same thing.
Feb. 22, 2023 at 2:52 p.m.
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I give credit to this AGM from an LA perspective and say this is fairly close valuation. While I think Hutson looks like a lite version of Josi as it relates to his offensive abilities, it would be too much of a risk to part with Durzi who continues to improve, even on his off side at the NHL level. Hutson could be amazing or he could be what LA fans saw with Linden Vey who just didn’t work out at the NHL level. (different position, but his promise was high and on the same trajectory). I also think it makes the size issue more glaring where we can’t clear people out in front of the net. That’s been more of a concern to me than the goaltending. Also no Kings fan I know is giving up on Turcotte. I think he’s projecting at a low to being just like Lizotte and on the high end like O’Reilly. They have another year to see how he fits. I think he’ll beat someone out for a job next season. I like trades like this when at least they look fair and see things from both teams’ perspectives.
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Feb. 22, 2023 at 3:05 p.m.
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I give credit to this AGM from an LA perspective and say this is fairly close valuation. While I think Hutson looks like a lite version of Josi as it relates to his offensive abilities, it would be too much of a risk to part with Durzi who continues to improve, even on his off side at the NHL level. Hutson could be amazing or he could be what LA fans saw with Linden Vey who just didn’t work out at the NHL level. (different position, but his promise was high and on the same trajectory). I also think it makes the size issue more glaring where we can’t clear people out in front of the net. That’s been more of a concern to me than the goaltending. Also no Kings fan I know is giving up on Turcotte. I think he’s projecting at a low to being just like Lizotte and on the high end like O’Reilly. They have another year to see how he fits. I think he’ll beat someone out for a job next season. I like trades like this when at least they look fair and see things from both teams’ perspectives.


Fair Point

So what does it take for MTL to grab Durzi?
I know you guys got a log jam on RD with Spence and Grans in AHL in your system but in ours both would likely be NHL.
But your LD if im not mistaken is no where near as deep.

Struble turns pro in 2 months or less after his NCAA playoffs.
He's Physically ready and defensively sound but offensively isnt NHL level and might net 8-10 points in a full season as is.
The timing might work better?

Let me Know
Feb. 22, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
Fair Point

So what does it take for MTL to grab Durzi?
I know you guys got a log jam on RD with Spence and Grans in AHL in your system but in ours both would likely be NHL.
But your LD if im not mistaken is no where near as deep.

Struble turns pro in 2 months or less after his NCAA playoffs.
He's Physically ready and defensively sound but offensively isnt NHL level and might net 8-10 points in a full season as is.
The timing might work better?

Let me Know


I think the players that make the most sense to LA are Guehle or Xhekaj. We certainly have the right pieces to add with Durzi to get the valuation right, but I doubt Montreal would consider that.
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Feb. 22, 2023 at 3:46 p.m.
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I think the players that make the most sense to LA are Guehle or Xhekaj. We certainly have the right pieces to add with Durzi to get the valuation right, but I doubt Montreal would consider that.


Guhle lol You were going ok then went off the race track there
When you say fair you actually mean drastically in LA's favor

Same as Habs fans saying Clarke is a fair trade for Norlinder and they can add a few pieces. There are no pieces that will cover Clarke or Guhle. Quality for quality or forget it
Feb. 22, 2023 at 3:52 p.m.
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Hmmmm . . . all the Montreal homers savage you, and I think this is a good and fair trade, which no one has advanced before, for which I give you kudos . . . maybe I'm not as biased against Montreal (or you) as you think I am?


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Come playoff time, Bouchard will have had only two full seasons under his belt, plus three cups of coffee. Be patient. In a couple of seasons, he could easily become your top defenseman. You guys didn't seriously expect to contend for the Cup this year, did you?


You literally said Edmonton has no chance at a cup this year. You are definitely biased lmao
Feb. 22, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
Guhle lol You were going ok then went off the race track there
When you say fair you actually mean drastically in LA's favor

Same as Habs fans saying Clarke is a fair trade for Norlinder


I didn’t say it would be a 1:1 swap and I didn’t specify who I would add with Durzi to try make it work. I think I mentioned that I doubt it could work from Montreal’s perspective. You read way too far between the lines.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
You literally said Edmonton has no chance at a cup this year. You are definitely biased lmao


Yeah, I'm biased against the idiotic thought that Edmonton has a serious chance at the Cup this season. You should bet your house on the converse.
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Yeah, I'm biased against the idiotic thought that Edmonton has a serious chance at the Cup this season. You should bet your house on the converse.


LOL

Of course you think it's fair that Montreal would trade their best prospect according to Scott Wheeler whom just ranked the Habs pipeline 11th in the league for a dman with serious warts.

How dare Habs fans have an opinion on this.

Idiotic would be a word i'd use in this context
Feb. 22, 2023 at 4:05 p.m.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
LOL

Of course you think it's fair that Montreal would trade their best prospect according to Scott Wheeler whom just ranked the Habs pipeline 11th in the league for a dman with serious warts.

How dare Habs fans have an opinion on this.

Idiotic would be a word i'd use in this context


Well, I guess you'll have to take @Billy739's membership in the Habs Dedicated Fan Club away from him.
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Feb. 22, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.
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What the cost then ?
ill worry about longterm later
Short term whats the price MTL can live with and LAK fans wont riot over for Durzi ?

If i can do it by Re-uniting Jack Hughes and Tyler Madden back together in LAK system would that work with the conditional 1st or 2nd?


I think Durzi for maybe a winger like Joshua Roy could work. If you are looking for a LHD maybe Harris and a 2nd (though the Canadiens cannot trade Harris for at least 1 year at this point).
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Feb. 22, 2023 at 4:28 p.m.
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Might do Struble for Grans if that works for both. Can add a pick or something if needed. Not an immediate help, but corrects a future imbalance.
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Feb. 22, 2023 at 5:08 p.m.
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Quoting: jonh514
I think Durzi for maybe a winger like Joshua Roy could work. If you are looking for a LHD maybe Harris and a 2nd (though the Canadiens cannot trade Harris for at least 1 year at this point).


That is fair
Roy is great and i love him
But he's 1-3 years from being NHL ready on our team.
LAK that might be different in your system but we're rebuilding so no upside to bringing him up now over a junior run for Memorial Cup next year.

I'd love to give up Harris but i doubt our GM would even if we could before that 1 year
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Feb. 22, 2023 at 5:08 p.m.
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I think Durzi for maybe a winger like Joshua Roy could work. If you are looking for a LHD maybe Harris and a 2nd (though the Canadiens cannot trade Harris for at least 1 year at this point).


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Might do Struble for Grans if that works for both. Can add a pick or something if needed. Now an immediate help, but corrects a future imbalance.

Struble may elect free agency, so he's not of interest right now. But there should be something possible centered around Durzi, Spence or Grans and Guhle, Xhekaj or Harris, there just HAS to be.
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Struble may elect free agency, so he's not of interest right now. But there should be something possible centered around Durzi, Spence or Grans and Guhle, Xhekaj or Harris, there just HAS to be.


That's why a pick is probably necessary. LA could find out Struble's intentions first, but pending UFA status may lower his value regardless.

Personally I saw Harris as a trade candidate prior to his extension, but management seems to have other ideas.
Xhekaj is someone I'd keep around simply because he's more unique and helpful for development, but he has the lower ceiling.
Guhle just isn't open for discussion.

Either Harris or Xhekaj limits the return to Durzi. Doesn't make sense to move young contributors unless it's for similar in a position of need.
If we're looking at prospects, we can swap from our prospect pool or picks.
Don't think it makes sense for LA to swap Durzi for futures either, unless it's a step toward acquiring more immediate help at LD (Chychrun?).
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Feb. 22, 2023 at 5:30 p.m.
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Struble may elect free agency, so he's not of interest right now. But there should be something possible centered around Durzi, Spence or Grans and Guhle, Xhekaj or Harris, there just HAS to be.


You said that about Harris too remember?
I stuck by that he said otherwise all along

Well Struble was just interviewed 2 weeks ago and he's saying the same thing.
I see him signing with MTL

That said , You're right
While he may sign with MTL if they keep his rights
Its unlikely he'll sign with a new team and elect free agency
That said LAK have a Struble sized hole

But you're right his value is worth nothing until he signs an ELC
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That's why a pick is probably necessary. LA could find out Struble's intentions first, but pending UFA status may lower his value regardless.

Personally I saw Harris as a trade candidate prior to his extension, but management seems to have other ideas.
Xhekaj is someone I'd keep around simply because he's more unique and helpful for development, but he has the lower ceiling.
Guhle just isn't open for discussion.

Either Harris or Xhekaj limits the return to Durzi. Doesn't make sense to move young contributors unless it's for similar in a position of need.
If we're looking at prospects, we can swap from our prospect pool or picks.
Don't think it makes sense for LA to swap Durzi for futures either, unless it's a step toward acquiring more immediate help at LD (Chychrun?).


This is true


Wonder if we can load Matheson into the equation?
He'd give them what they need on LD and MTL takes back Peterson in the deal

I mean clearly other pieces factored in if the goals Durzi but as far as fixing the LD issues atleast for the next few years , that could work

Maybe

Matheson , Roy, Kidney and a 1st round pick in 2024
for
Durzi and Peterson(cap wise LAK save 700k ish)

I mean its not a clean swap for Durzi and Matheson in terms of proudction as far as losing Durzi mid season before playoffs.
But He's a solid 2nd line option who will round out LAK core while creating room for Clarke , Spence and Grans in the next year to step up..
He's a good fit and LAK get 2 forward prospects of quality and a 1st round pick

Im confident we can rebound Peterson in our system like we have Montembault and so many other goalies over the years.
Plus now Sean Burke's here the guys Devan Dubnyk credited with his turn around success.
Even if we dont Laval team just got a lot stronger because at the AHL level Peterson in this league he's ahead of Primeau
Even if worst case he just plays in Laval that means more wins and consistency in our prospects growth.
Feb. 22, 2023 at 6:41 p.m.
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This is true


Wonder if we can load Matheson into the equation?
He'd give them what they need on LD and MTL takes back Peterson in the deal

I mean clearly other pieces factored in if the goals Durzi but as far as fixing the LD issues atleast for the next few years , that could work

Maybe

Matheson , Roy, Kidney and a 1st round pick in 2024
for
Durzi and Peterson(cap wise LAK save 700k ish)

I mean its not a clean swap for Durzi and Matheson in terms of proudction as far as losing Durzi mid season before playoffs.
But He's a solid 2nd line option who will round out LAK core while creating room for Clarke , Spence and Grans in the next year to step up..
He's a good fit and LAK get 2 forward prospects of quality and a 1st round pick

Im confident we can rebound Peterson in our system like we have Montembault and so many other goalies over the years.
Plus now Sean Burke's here the guys Devan Dubnyk credited with his turn around success.
Even if we dont Laval team just got a lot stronger because at the AHL level Peterson in this league he's ahead of Primeau
Even if worst case he just plays in Laval that means more wins and consistency in our prospects growth.


Matheson's value will rebound if he keeps playing like he has, but this season isn't enough to convince buyers with him also missing a lot of time.
I'm okay with keeping him for now, but he is expendable. Don't think he's close enough to what LA envisions acquiring though.

Best bet to acquire Durzi is if we help them acquire Chychrun.
Say Arizona really wants Hutson, as an example. (Not saying we'd do it, but it would take something like that.)
LA says "hold my beer" and comes to us with an offer.
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The epitome of trading just for trading. Give away the player with the best ever rookie season as dman. He will tie Makar/Quinn Hughes combined production for points in a season with two more points. Combined production of two elite dmen.

But yes, Habs fans that think this trade isnt fair are biased. The same people probably believe eating food is also selfish as it harms the planet. I love this place, sometimes.
 
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