If the Meier deal falls through

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Created by: Random2152

Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 26, 2023

Published: Feb. 26, 2023

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Deal is not done - injury concerns (probably Holtz)

Sounds to me like it's rocky and could still fall through at the last second. More to that the return seems underwhelming (1st, Zetterlund, Holtz). I want Dubas to make a last second offer that officially blows up the deal. Then turn around and flip McCabe

Trades

TOR

Meier, Timo ($3,000,000 retained)

SJS

TOR

Lafferty, Sam
McCabe, Jake ($2,000,000 retained)

CHI

Robertson, Nicholas
Voit, Ty
2025 1st round pick (TOR)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$82,500,000	$76,671,246	$212,500	$0	$5,828,754

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Bunting, Michael $950,000$950,000 LW UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 2	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 3
Järnkrok, Calle $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, C, LW M-NTC UFA - 4	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 3	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 2
Meier, Timo $0$0 LW, RW UFA - 1	O'Reilly, Ryan $1,875,000$1,875,000 C UFA - 1	Engvall, Pierre $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Lafferty, Sam $1,150,000$1,150,000 RW, C, LW UFA - 2	Kämpf, David $1,500,000$1,500,000 C UFA - 1	Acciari, Noel $1,250,000$1,250,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $7,500,000$7,500,000 LD NMC UFA - 8	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 2	Samsonov, Ilya $1,800,000$1,800,000 G UFA - 1
McCabe, Jake $0$0 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Liljegren, Timothy $1,400,000$1,400,000 RD RFA - 2	Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 2
	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1
Giordano, Mark $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Aston-Reese, Zach $840,630$840,630 LW, RW UFA - 1		Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NTC UFA - 2
Timmins, Conor $850,000$850,000 RD RFA - 1		Mete, Victor $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Taxi Squad
Anderson, Joey $750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0) RW RFA - 1
Benn, Jordie $750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0) LD/RD UFA - 1
Woll, Joseph $766,667$766,667 ($0$0$0$0) G RFA - 3

Feb. 26, 2023 at 8:11 p.m.

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Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. 🤭

Feb. 26, 2023 at 8:11 p.m.

Random2152

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Quoting: MorHitzSeider

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. 🤭

Literally fridge saying it on the broadcast

Feb. 26, 2023 at 8:14 p.m.

MoSeider53

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Even if the Meier deal falls through for the Devils.

That doesn't get him, Not even close.

Feb. 26, 2023 at 8:16 p.m.

Random2152

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

Even if the Meier deal falls through for the Devils.

That doesn't get him, Not even close.

You cannot seriously look at what the devils are reportedly sending and say that doesnt beat it without being an idiot or a troll

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Feb. 26, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.

MoSeider53

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Quoting: Random2152

You cannot seriously look at what the devils are reportedly sending and say that doesnt beat it without being an idiot or a troll

Duh Kerfoot a pending UFA, Niemela isn't Toronto's top prospect. Plus Sandin is overrated plus Grier wants a 2023 1st not 2024 1st. Yeah that offer isn't even close for Meier.

Feb. 26, 2023 at 8:22 p.m.

Random2152

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

Duh Kerfoot a pending UFA, Niemela isn't Toronto's top prospect. Plus Sandin is overrated plus Grier wants a 2023 1st not 2024 1st. Yeah that offer isn't even close for Meier.

Actually lmao.

They're getting Andreas Johnsson in the trade, and you think this isn't even close

Feb. 26, 2023 at 8:28 p.m.

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

Duh Kerfoot a pending UFA, Niemela isn't Toronto's top prospect. Plus Sandin is overrated plus Grier wants a 2023 1st not 2024 1st. Yeah that offer isn't even close for Meier.

Quoting: Random2152

Actually lmao.

They're getting Andreas Johnsson in the trade, and you think this isn't even close

Nah man for sure it's not even close. 🤡

Nikita Okhotiuk is also part of the deal to SJ
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Feb. 26, 2023 at 8:31 p.m.

Random2152

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

Duh Kerfoot a pending UFA, Niemela isn't Toronto's top prospect. Plus Sandin is overrated plus Grier wants a 2023 1st not 2024 1st. Yeah that offer isn't even close for Meier.

Quoting: Random2152

Actually lmao.

They're getting Andreas Johnsson in the trade, and you think this isn't even close

Quoting: Random2152

Nah man for sure it's not even close. 🤡

Nikita Okhotiuk is also part of the deal to SJ
— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) February 27, 2023

Lmao hold this L

Nikita Okhotiuk and Andreas Johnsson are part of the return going to SJS. Devils also moving a conditional 2024 1st + Shakir Mukhamadullin
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Feb. 26, 2023 at 8:31 p.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

Actually lmao.

They're getting Andreas Johnsson in the trade, and you think this isn't even close

Dude i'm not going to argue with you, Zutterland and a 2023 1st are the two know pieces in the deal. Leafs don't have their 2023 1st that was included in the ROR trade. Grier wants the 2023 1st not 2024 1st so the Laffs are out of right there.

Feb. 26, 2023 at 8:32 p.m.

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

The deal is known. It's way worse than what I offered
You're a clown lmao

Feb. 26, 2023 at 9:32 p.m.

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Doubt that get McCabe at 50%, definitely won’t get you Lafferty as well

Feb. 26, 2023 at 11:43 p.m.

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Quoting: OGap12

Doubt that get McCabe at 50%, definitely won’t get you Lafferty as well

I mean, Meier got way less than what I had here, and people were saying the same thing about him

Feb. 26, 2023 at 11:55 p.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

I mean, Meier got way less than what I had here, and people were saying the same thing about him

Kerfoot and Johnnson are both cap dumps
23 1st>nothing
Nikita>nothing
24 1st=24 1st
Zetterlund>Sandin
Shakir>niemela

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:06 a.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

Kerfoot and Johnnson are both cap dumps
23 1st>nothing
Nikita>nothing
24 1st=24 1st
Zetterlund>Sandin
Shakir>niemela

Uhh, Kerfoot isn't a cap dump lol
And your evaluation of the rest are wildly off

It's so funny how people will see Toronto AGMs that often have a guy being moved and just assume that he must suck and is a cap dump lmao.

The athletics value score has him worth 4aav right now ffs

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:08 a.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

Uhh, Kerfoot isn't a cap dump lol
And your evaluation of the rest are wildly off

It's so funny how people will see Toronto AGMs that often have a guy be8ng moved and just assume that he must suck and is a cap dump lmao.

The athletics value score has him worth 4aav right now ffs

Kerfoot is quite literally useless to san jose as a pending UFA. Eg, cap dump

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:09 a.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

Kerfoot is quite literally useless to san jose as a pending UFA. Eg, cap dump

Have you ever heard of flipping him?

Rather than me moving him for whatever picks in here, I just sent him directly to San Jose.

Also that's just not what a cap dump is lmao

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:10 a.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

Have you ever heard of flipping him?

Rather than me moving him for whatever picks in here, I just sent him directly to San Jose.

Also that's just not what a cap dump is lmao

San Jose wasn't doing your work for you. Kerfoot has no value to san jose

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:11 a.m.

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San Jose wasn't doing your work for you. Kerfoot has no value to san jose

Holy **** you are dense. Would you have preferred I sold him to ANH labelled as "anyteam" for a 2nd and put that 2nd in the trade? That make you happy?

Also that happens all the time where selling teams take assets and flip them. Scandella recently off the top of my head but there are many more

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:12 a.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

Have you ever heard of flipping him?

Rather than me moving him for whatever picks in here, I just sent him directly to San Jose.

Also that's just not what a cap dump is lmao

And even still you're a first and a C prospect short

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:12 a.m.

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Holy **** you are dense. Would you have preferred I sold him to Anh labeld as "anyteam" for a 2nd and put that 2nd in the trade? That make you happy?

Also that happens all the time where selling teams take assets and flip them. Scandella recently off the top of my head but there are many more

You couldn't get a 2nd for kerfoot lmao

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:13 a.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

You couldn't get a 2nd for kerfoot lmao

Please refer to:

Quoting: Random2152

It's so funny how people will see Toronto AGMs that often have a guy being moved and just assume that he must suck and is a cap dump lmao.

The athletics value score has him worth 4aav right now ffs

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:14 a.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

And even still you're a first and a C prospect short

And you still can't eval

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:23 a.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

And you still can't eval

Shakir remains better than niemela
Z + Nikita equivalent to sandin
Kerfoot remains useless to SJS

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:28 a.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

Shakir remains better than niemela
Z + Nikita equivalent to sandin
Kerfoot remains useless to SJS

I was going to go through this one by one, but that 2nd line is "Giroux is better then Sid" levels of bad.
Learn how to eval

Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:30 a.m.

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Quoting: Random2152

I was going to go through this one by one, but that 2nd line is "Giroux is better then Sid" levels of bad.
Learn how to eval

Enjoy not having timo meier

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