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Feb. 27, 2023 at 5:57 p.m.
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Barbashev is a UFA. He also doesn't have a replacement level cap hit like Jeannot. That's a lot of the value, Tampa can fit him in their lineup and retain the rights to him to re-sign, or trade and recoup some of the picks. He isn't a pure rental. Add in that he plays a style that is coveted by Cup contenders which Barbashev does not.

The only reason Jeannot was available for this kind of package was the uncertainty around how effective he will be going forward since he is a late bloomer who had an unlikely path to the NHL and took a step back after his breakout season. A 20-30 goal RFA power forward would not be available otherwise for a package of late 1st/2nd/3rds and a bunch of late picks.


Barbashev had a cheap cap hit, absolutely plays the rough physical game teams covet in the playoffs and is only 2 years older who also can score about 20g. The only thing you said that even remotely makes sense is the Jeanot is an RFA, but even that shouldn't command the return he received. Tampa overpaid by a large large margin.
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Feb. 27, 2023 at 6:49 p.m.
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exactly. Trade doesn't work? add another pick, try again. Doesn't work? add another pick, try again.

Oh F it worked? I overpaid...


laugh Literally lol, thats exactly how I am with it.
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Feb. 27, 2023 at 7:20 p.m.
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Tanner Jeannot got the Ricky WIlliams treatment, hopefully for Tampa it doesnt turn out the same way.
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Feb. 28, 2023 at 8:43 a.m.
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Is Jason on the Lighting? Because they got the golden Fleece'd.
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Feb. 28, 2023 at 9:29 a.m.
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Even Brisebois admits that he overpaid, but if you’re a team that came within two games of winning 3 consecutive cups, and you’re still in your win window, I can’t argue with a strategy of emptying the cupboard to make the team better now. The only questions should be is Jeannot that guy – will the real Tanner Jeannot please stand up? – and could they have made better use of those picks on somebody else?
Feb. 28, 2023 at 11:15 a.m.
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Barbashev had a cheap cap hit, absolutely plays the rough physical game teams covet in the playoffs and is only 2 years older who also can score about 20g. The only thing you said that even remotely makes sense is the Jeanot is an RFA, but even that shouldn't command the return he received. Tampa overpaid by a large large margin.


The guy is an expert at saying absolutely the most basis ideology into some of the most loquacious rambling. Most teams can fit in cap hits this season with 3rd party dealings. Jeannot doesnt have the same amount of control with a cheap cap hit like say a Hagel long term. Hes RFA and will be paid then UFA.
Feb. 28, 2023 at 1:07 p.m.
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Even Brisebois admits that he overpaid, but if you’re a team that came within two games of winning 3 consecutive cups, and you’re still in your win window, I can’t argue with a strategy of emptying the cupboard to make the team better now. The only questions should be is Jeannot that guy – will the real Tanner Jeannot please stand up? – and could they have made better use of those picks on somebody else?


Yeah Tampa are clearly betting Jeannot rekindles whatever magic he had going last season and doing everything in their power to keep the window open. I can see the logic behind it but obviously they overpaid in a big way on this trade.
Mar. 3, 2023 at 5:54 p.m.
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IMO, Tanner Jeannot is worth a 3rd round pick.

You can even make the case he's worth a 2nd round pick.

That is what Tampa should be paying here.



My hope for every GM in the NHL is that they act like professionals.

And to conduct themselves a lot better than the worst ACGMs that make their way onto https://twitter.com/ArmchairChaos.

And to not count the value of draft picks like a child in kindergarten that counts to five.



No matter how many Stanley Cups that he wins as GM, Julien Brisebois should be ashamed of himself for what he did here.

Nashville wins the trade.
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Mar. 5, 2023 at 3:06 a.m.
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IMO, Tanner Jeannot is worth a 3rd round pick.

You can even make the case he's worth a 2nd round pick.

That is what Tampa should be paying here.



My hope for every GM in the NHL is that they act like professionals.

And to conduct themselves a lot better than the worst ACGMs that make their way onto https://twitter.com/ArmchairChaos.

And to not count the value of draft picks like a child in kindergarten that counts to five.



No matter how many Stanley Cups that he wins as GM, Julien Brisebois should be ashamed of himself for what he did here.

Nashville wins the trade.


Lol, ashamed of what, identifying and acquiring the guy that many teams reportedly wanted? Poile himself said he took more calls on Jeannot than any player in his organization. Nashville had no reason to make him availanle for cheap, and so their ask was 2 1sts or equivalent. The picks don't matter to Tampa, as they won't help them at all during their window.

Furthermore, Nashville will probably be fortunate if one of the picks from rounds 2-5 ever amount to anything in the NHL. The likely late 1st in 2025 has maybe a 25-30% chance of being an impactful NHL player by '27 or '28. Tampa paid extra later picks because their 1st is 3 years out, and because there seemed to have been more than one team interested. It was an overpay, but so were most of the rest of the trades that he made over the last 3 years. They've worked out okay, I hear. Good quantity trade for Nashville as they enter their retool/rebuild, but for Tampa's core and their Cup window, those picks held very little value. There is some risk for Tampa if Jeannot never improves offensively, but it's a calculated one. I'll trust JBB and his scouts know what they're doing in terms of player evaluation.

Jeannot's cap hit and team control being RFA also is very important here, as Tampa will likely be able to re-sign him for much less than any ufas of the same type. Tampa also doesn't usually pay premiums for straight rentals, so while there may have been comparables out there, they weren't going to be heavily sought-after by Tampa. I'll take the two cups and continued strategy to keep the present window open in exchange for future lottery tickets. In a vacuum Nashville wins the trade, but given the context of where each team is positioned, it's not hard to see why Tampa made the trade and why it looks worse than it is because there's so much quantity rather than quality involved.
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Mar. 5, 2023 at 10:08 a.m.
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Lol, ashamed of what, identifying and acquiring the guy that many teams reportedly wanted? Poile himself said he took more calls on Jeannot than any player in his organization. Nashville had no reason to make him availanle for cheap, and so their ask was 2 1sts or equivalent. The picks don't matter to Tampa, as they won't help them at all during their window.

Furthermore, Nashville will probably be fortunate if one of the picks from rounds 2-5 ever amount to anything in the NHL. The likely late 1st in 2025 has maybe a 25-30% chance of being an impactful NHL player by '27 or '28. Tampa paid extra later picks because their 1st is 3 years out, and because there seemed to have been more than one team interested. It was an overpay, but so were most of the rest of the trades that he made over the last 3 years. They've worked out okay, I hear. Good quantity trade for Nashville as they enter their retool/rebuild, but for Tampa's core and their Cup window, those picks held very little value. There is some risk for Tampa if Jeannot never improves offensively, but it's a calculated one. I'll trust JBB and his scouts know what they're doing in terms of player evaluation.

Jeannot's cap hit and team control being RFA also is very important here, as Tampa will likely be able to re-sign him for much less than any ufas of the same type. Tampa also doesn't usually pay premiums for straight rentals, so while there may have been comparables out there, they weren't going to be heavily sought-after by Tampa. I'll take the two cups and continued strategy to keep the present window open in exchange for future lottery tickets. In a vacuum Nashville wins the trade, but given the context of where each team is positioned, it's not hard to see why Tampa made the trade and why it looks worse than it is because there's so much quantity rather than quality involved.


Just because one team has an asking price doesn't mean another team has to pay it.

Two 1st round picks as an asking price for Jeannot is ridiculous.



This trade was a waste for Tampa.

If Tampa wins the Cup again, it won't be because of Jeannot.



What exactly has Jeannot does this season for Nashville that makes him so special??
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Mar. 5, 2023 at 8:10 p.m.
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Just because one team has an asking price doesn't mean another team has to pay it.

Two 1st round picks as an asking price for Jeannot is ridiculous.



This trade was a waste for Tampa.

If Tampa wins the Cup again, it won't be because of Jeannot.



What exactly has Jeannot does this season for Nashville that makes him so special??


Again, not a waste for Tampa. Jeannot was having a down year on a Nashville team where most were underperforming. Brisebois and his scouts looked at more than 50 something games and know what Jeannot can bring. The risk is there, but if Jeannot was having another year like last, he'd never have been traded. Tampa will also likely be able to keep him long term if they want, at a cap hit that works. Tampa may or may not win another Cup, but as to Jeannot having an impact on it, Tampa fans heard the same thing about Coleman and Goodrow, and both Cup wins were greatly influenced by the line they were two-thirds of.

I already explained why the picks are of lesser value to Tampa given where they are positioned in their window, so there's no point in going over that again. It's true no team had to pay Poile's asking price, but Brisebois and his team were confident on the player's worth to them and they did. It is clear that they weren't the only team that was pretty interested in him, so it seems his sophomore slump season wasn't turning teams off.

For Nashville's sake, hopefully they hit on a couple of the mid to late picks, but stats show otherwise. In any case, by the time any of the 5 picks would even have a slim chance of helping Tampa, it would be after the main window has been closed, or just about so. Most likely only the '25 1st has a chance to be a player more valuable than Jeannot, and again, that's 4 or 5 years down the road, at minimum.
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Mar. 6, 2023 at 7:46 a.m.
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Again, not a waste for Tampa. Jeannot was having a down year on a Nashville team where most were underperforming. Brisebois and his scouts looked at more than 50 something games and know what Jeannot can bring. The risk is there, but if Jeannot was having another year like last, he'd never have been traded. Tampa will also likely be able to keep him long term if they want, at a cap hit that works. Tampa may or may not win another Cup, but as to Jeannot having an impact on it, Tampa fans heard the same thing about Coleman and Goodrow, and both Cup wins were greatly influenced by the line they were two-thirds of.

I already explained why the picks are of lesser value to Tampa given where they are positioned in their window, so there's no point in going over that again. It's true no team had to pay Poile's asking price, but Brisebois and his team were confident on the player's worth to them and they did. It is clear that they weren't the only team that was pretty interested in him, so it seems his sophomore slump season wasn't turning teams off.

For Nashville's sake, hopefully they hit on a couple of the mid to late picks, but stats show otherwise. In any case, by the time any of the 5 picks would even have a slim chance of helping Tampa, it would be after the main window has been closed, or just about so. Most likely only the '25 1st has a chance to be a player more valuable than Jeannot, and again, that's 4 or 5 years down the road, at minimum.


What do you think Tanner Jeannot brings to the Tampa Bay Lightning?
Mar. 6, 2023 at 11:00 p.m.
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What do you think Tanner Jeannot brings to the Tampa Bay Lightning?


Great physical play, cost controlled cap hit for the middle 6 for likely the next 5 or 6 years, some scoring(probably 15-20 goals and ~40 points a year). If he gets back to closer where he was last year, even better. He'll be playing with very good linemates on either the 2nd or 3rd line moving ahead. Tampa will have very limited cap space next year, and Jeannot offers Tampa the exact type of player they need at a likely cap hit they can afford. Better to overpay 2-3 picks to get that player you need now, for likely years to come, rather than have to try and find someone in ufa that won't be as good or as cost controlled. Additionally, Tampa keeps him out of their rivals lineups and having to face him multiple times a year and in the playoffs.

Not saying it wasn't an overpay, but when you're likely going up against a couple other teams(at least), and you don't have e a '23 or '24 1st to.offer as the main piece, so be it. Tampa knows the right contracts to target to allow them to keep the window going, and that's why players like Coleman, Goodrow, Hagel, Paul and now Jeannot have fetched a high price. This is also the reason why JBB doesn't usually battle and pay high prices for expiring ufas, as with Tampa's limited space, they don't feel it's worth it to spend decent futures for one run only(hence why they didn't probably get similar type players in Barbashev or Bertuzzi).
Apr. 7, 2023 at 8:43 a.m.
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Just because one team has an asking price doesn't mean another team has to pay it.

Two 1st round picks as an asking price for Jeannot is ridiculous.



This trade was a waste for Tampa.

If Tampa wins the Cup again, it won't be because of Jeannot.



What exactly has Jeannot does this season for Nashville that makes him so special??


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Again, not a waste for Tampa. Jeannot was having a down year on a Nashville team where most were underperforming. Brisebois and his scouts looked at more than 50 something games and know what Jeannot can bring. The risk is there, but if Jeannot was having another year like last, he'd never have been traded. Tampa will also likely be able to keep him long term if they want, at a cap hit that works. Tampa may or may not win another Cup, but as to Jeannot having an impact on it, Tampa fans heard the same thing about Coleman and Goodrow, and both Cup wins were greatly influenced by the line they were two-thirds of.

I already explained why the picks are of lesser value to Tampa given where they are positioned in their window, so there's no point in going over that again. It's true no team had to pay Poile's asking price, but Brisebois and his team were confident on the player's worth to them and they did. It is clear that they weren't the only team that was pretty interested in him, so it seems his sophomore slump season wasn't turning teams off.

For Nashville's sake, hopefully they hit on a couple of the mid to late picks, but stats show otherwise. In any case, by the time any of the 5 picks would even have a slim chance of helping Tampa, it would be after the main window has been closed, or just about so. Most likely only the '25 1st has a chance to be a player more valuable than Jeannot, and again, that's 4 or 5 years down the road, at minimum.


Obviously there are more chapters in this story to be written yet, but this sure looks like a waste of assets from here. 20 games, 1 goal, 3 assists and -6 is VERY underwhelming. And now he's injured.

Since that trade Tampa's .450 points percentage ranks 22nd in the league, tied with Arizona Coyotes.
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Apr. 7, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.
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Obviously there are more chapters in this story to be written yet, but this sure looks like a waste of assets from here. 20 games, 1 goal, 3 assists and -6 is VERY underwhelming. And now he's injured.

Since that trade Tampa's .450 points percentage ranks 22nd in the league, tied with Arizona Coyotes.


Any player you trade for is a "gamble" in theory. Give him time. And in the absolute worst case scenario, Jeannot could be traded to recoup assets.
Apr. 7, 2023 at 8:36 p.m.
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Any player you trade for is a "gamble" in theory. Give him time. And in the absolute worst case scenario, Jeannot could be traded to recoup assets.


Do you think a Jeannot trade this summer will recoup the assets spent though?
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Apr. 9, 2023 at 6:31 p.m.
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Obviously there are more chapters in this story to be written yet, but this sure looks like a waste of assets from here. 20 games, 1 goal, 3 assists and -6 is VERY underwhelming. And now he's injured.

Since that trade Tampa's .450 points percentage ranks 22nd in the league, tied with Arizona Coyotes.


Good thing Tampa made the trade with likely 400+ future games in mind rather than ~20 this season.
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Apr. 10, 2023 at 11:32 a.m.
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Good thing Tampa made the trade with likely 400+ future games in mind rather than ~20 this season.


It's a catch-22. If he plays well next year he won't be anywhere near $800k going forward. If he doesn't play well, he won't have justified the asset cost. Either way Tampa lost the trade.
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Apr. 10, 2023 at 1:09 p.m.
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Good thing Tampa made the trade with likely 400+ future games in mind rather than ~20 this season.


The only thing is that in those 400+ future games, Jeannot won't be making 800K.

He'll need to have an extension with a much higher cap hit.



This trade isn't Brandon Hagel 2.0.

It's worse than that for Tampa.

It's ok to admit Julien Brisebois shouldn't have made this trade.
Apr. 10, 2023 at 1:15 p.m.
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Any player you trade for is a "gamble" in theory. Give him time. And in the absolute worst case scenario, Jeannot could be traded to recoup assets.


What assets?

The 1st round pick you just gave away?

Don't delude yourself.
Apr. 10, 2023 at 1:55 p.m.
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Do you think a Jeannot trade this summer will recoup the assets spent though?


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What assets?

The 1st round pick you just gave away?

Don't delude yourself.


I'm not deluding myself nor anyone else. Let's consider this hypothetical scenario. Jeannot's injury is serious. Or, his injury isn't serious. Tampa resigns him this summer and next year he has another poor statistical season. Because of injury or not, doesn't matter. Tampa can't afford to keep someone who doesn't contribute or JBB decides he isn't helping the team as much as he is hurting it. THIS doesn't make him a bad player worth no value. The amount of NHL players who have fallen so far off a cliff that their current team has to PAY another team to take them is a very small percentage. If Jeannot fell off a cliff and became a much worse player than what some teams see him as currently or being in the future, teams would still be interested in taking him. He hasn't even hypothetically reached that point in his career. I said in my original comment that in the worst case scenario for Tampa, they could still get something back in return. By worst case scenario I'm saying this. Jeannot doesn't score 20+ goals every year. He's not a home run on the trade. He doesn't come up clutch when he's needed. He's invisible most of the games he plays. There are a lot of ways you could look at this trade being a "loss" for Tampa. But even if all fails, it's not like he's going to quit playing hockey tomorrow and Tampa loses all those assets for nothing. Could they get back the amount of stuff they paid to get him? Certainly no. That doesn't mean he couldn't be traded for a prospect JBB likes, or a player to make a calculated chess move. You can't possibly judge a trade this early on. Tampa care's none about draft picks. It's the same argument as always. By the time a player drafted next year or in 2025 comes into his own in the NHL and is a contributor to the team, you could have wasted several years of contention. You could have traded for a Gaudreau, Coleman, Hagel etc. rather than waiting and gambling on a player drafted in the second half of the first round+. In conclusion, it's another trade in the bucket of "you get what you pay for". If you want quality, you pay for it. It doesn't work 100% of the time obviously. And we have yet to see how this one will play out. But anyone in their right mind couldn't sit there and tell me that JBB makes dumb moves. He has never made a move that derailed or totally hurt the franchise. And, the amount of times he has hit on a trade is a lot. When he swings, he connects.
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Apr. 10, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
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I'm not deluding myself nor anyone else. Let's consider this hypothetical scenario. Jeannot's injury is serious. Or, his injury isn't serious. Tampa resigns him this summer and next year he has another poor statistical season. Because of injury or not, doesn't matter. Tampa can't afford to keep someone who doesn't contribute or JBB decides he isn't helping the team as much as he is hurting it. THIS doesn't make him a bad player worth no value. The amount of NHL players who have fallen so far off a cliff that their current team has to PAY another team to take them is a very small percentage. If Jeannot fell off a cliff and became a much worse player than what some teams see him as currently or being in the future, teams would still be interested in taking him. He hasn't even hypothetically reached that point in his career. I said in my original comment that in the worst case scenario for Tampa, they could still get something back in return. By worst case scenario I'm saying this. Jeannot doesn't score 20+ goals every year. He's not a home run on the trade. He doesn't come up clutch when he's needed. He's invisible most of the games he plays. There are a lot of ways you could look at this trade being a "loss" for Tampa. But even if all fails, it's not like he's going to quit playing hockey tomorrow and Tampa loses all those assets for nothing. Could they get back the amount of stuff they paid to get him? Certainly no. That doesn't mean he couldn't be traded for a prospect JBB likes, or a player to make a calculated chess move. You can't possibly judge a trade this early on. Tampa care's none about draft picks. It's the same argument as always. By the time a player drafted next year or in 2025 comes into his own in the NHL and is a contributor to the team, you could have wasted several years of contention. You could have traded for a Gaudreau, Coleman, Hagel etc. rather than waiting and gambling on a player drafted in the second half of the first round+. In conclusion, it's another trade in the bucket of "you get what you pay for". If you want quality, you pay for it. It doesn't work 100% of the time obviously. And we have yet to see how this one will play out. But anyone in their right mind couldn't sit there and tell me that JBB makes dumb moves. He has never made a move that derailed or totally hurt the franchise. And, the amount of times he has hit on a trade is a lot. When he swings, he connects.


1. There's only one way you can look at this trade being a loss for Tampa.

Tampa paid too much.

It's that simple.



2. If Tampa didn't care about draft picks, then why would they ask for Top 10 protection on their 1st round pick?

You're not being totally honest.



3. Nobody knows what will happen to the 1st round pick in 2025.

Or whether Tampa will still be a Cup Contender in 2025.

Most people thought that after San Jose traded for Karlsson in 2018, the 1st round pick would be 32nd overall after the Sharks win the Cup.

It didn't take long for everything to crash and burn.



4. It's another trade in the bucket of "you get less than what you pay for".

Just because someone has an asking price doesn't mean you have to pay it.



5. Anyone in their right mind couldn't sit there and tell anyone that JBB is a genius mastermind that is never wrong and whose decisions should never be questioned.

Most of the trades he has made have been overpayments.

If JBB spent all of Tampa's remaining draft picks on another 4th line player like Jeannot, you would still be spinning that trade to fit your narrative like you are doing with this one.

The truth will set you free.
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1. There's only one way you can look at this trade being a loss for Tampa.

Tampa paid too much.

It's that simple.



2. If Tampa didn't care about draft picks, then why would they ask for Top 10 protection on their 1st round pick?

You're not being totally honest.



3. Nobody knows what will happen to the 1st round pick in 2025.

Or whether Tampa will still be a Cup Contender in 2025.

Most people thought that after San Jose traded for Karlsson in 2018, the 1st round pick would be 32nd overall after the Sharks win the Cup.

It didn't take long for everything to crash and burn.



4. It's another trade in the bucket of "you get less than what you pay for".

Just because someone has an asking price doesn't mean you have to pay it.



5. Anyone in their right mind couldn't sit there and tell anyone that JBB is a genius mastermind that is never wrong and whose decisions should never be questioned.

Most of the trades he has made have been overpayments.

If JBB spent all of Tampa's remaining draft picks on another 4th line player like Jeannot, you would still be spinning that trade to fit your narrative like you are doing with this one.

The truth will set you free.



Firstly, your assumption I somehow live in my own world is outlandish. Me presenting an argument is no different from what you're doing. However, a fact you clearly didn't grasp is that I never said this was a "good+" trade. I said that every trade is a gamble and if things go south in any trade, you can usually make a last resort move to regain literally anything so you aren't left with nothing at all. You're skewing my words.

#4 is irrelevant. The trade is done. There was an asking price and it was paid.

#2 has nothing to do with me. I am being honest. I'm not a member of the organization, I don't speak for them or know exactly what they are thinking all the time. But players and management have stated that they currently don't value draft picks as much as other people in the league do. JBB said that at the deadline THIS season. I'm simply echoing their words and actions. And there's a difference between not caring about draft picks and being stupid. It's called bargaining.

#3 you are absolutely correct. But your argument is only partially applicable because as you already stated, it's top 10 protected. So if they do end up being that bad in two years it won't matter, they get the pick back. I'm willing to bet they won't be that bad, and back comes the point I made about said player Nashville would draft 11-32 in 2025 not becoming a roster player until 2027-28.

#1 and #5 are interesting. Referring back to your earlier post, you seem to not care about championships. If Ottawa won 4 straight cups but traded 2 first round picks to acquire a bottom 6 piece that assisted in winning even 1 of those cups, you would be the only one crying about an overpayment. No one cares about "overpayments" when a team wins a championship after a trade. You can knit pick things to death and attempt to assemble the perfect GM track record where no faults or questionable moves occur anywhere in the tenure, but that is not the real world. That's how it looks to me from where I'm sitting. It was consensus from the day it happened that Tampa probably paid more than they should have for Jeannot. Again I ask, what's the cost? No one gives a rat's a$$ about exported parts when a team is in the final 4 or wins a cup. You can try to find the perfect way and sit stagnant forever, or take a chance and pay for something and see if it works out. That description does in fact apply to JBB. Everyone said the same thing about Coleman, Gaudreau, Hagel, Savard. No one truly cares about picks or pieces that are gone when your team finds success. So if you think he overpaid, that's fine, he has two rings to plug his ears with
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Apr. 10, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.
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Quoting: CD282
It's a catch-22. If he plays well next year he won't be anywhere near $800k going forward. If he doesn't play well, he won't have justified the asset cost. Either way Tampa lost the trade.


Tampa is re-signing him this offseason more than likely, and no, Tampa has not lost the trade. Only very short sighted analysis calls a trade either way after 20 games.
Apr. 10, 2023 at 3:58 p.m.
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Quoting: JTBF81
Tampa is re-signing him this offseason more than likely, and no, Tampa has not lost the trade. Only very short sighted analysis calls a trade either way after 20 games.

I think you missed my point.
 
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