Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
You literally named those people man, and he then proved you wrong by using what those people have literally said.
None of what was actually said proves me wrong though. They're extoling his virtues, but that doesn't mean he is good lmao. Every prospect can have a positive spin on it. If you pull their reports from draft and draft + years you'll see that he isn't well liked. For example:
Tony Ferrari's piece yesterday is the definition of "damning with faint praise"
Quoting: Tony
The bulk of the value in return from the Devils comes from the first-round pick this season and the conditional 2024 second-round pick.
Quoting: Tony
The rangy, 6-foot-4 defender has been a divisive prospect in the scouting world over the last few seasons. Mukhamadullin has high straight-line skating ability and can make a crisp first pass. He has displayed glimpses of a clever offensive game, but it’s inconsistent.
Quoting: Tony
At 21 years old, he remains a bit of a project
Quoting: Wheeler
The appeal of his raw tools can still contrast against the mistakes and sloppiness present in his game at times
Quoting: Wheeler
He can struggle through his pivots, where he too often turns to skate with opposing attackers rather than defending them head-on with his good skating and length. His reaction time can look a split second behind on reads. He’s got an uncharacteristic posture.
That doesn't mean he is totally awful (I mean he is vs the other options at the draft time imo), as there is upside if he can unlock it (duh), but contrast that to Topi (this is the entire blurb on him):
Quoting: Wheeler
At a glance, Niemelä’s numbers with Kärpät this season have taken a step back after his superb season a year ago saw him become the league’s second-most productive defenceman. And yet he’s generating shots at the highest clip of his career so far (3.5 per game this year to 2.9 per game last season), he’s still playing 19-20 minutes per game (same as last year), and he’s still a big part of an above-average team in an above-average pro league at 20 years old.
Niemelä is a poised, calculating, one-step-ahead player who makes the game look easy. He can comfortably quarterback a power play, he creates offence consistently at five-on-five, he’s an able defender, and he drives results with the consistency of his execution. Niemela’s ability to calmly take passes, beat the first layer, and then quickly identify a lane or move his feet to create one distinguishes him. His game is detailed but also smooth, driving results with smart decisions in all three zones.
He’s not overly aggressive, so you’ll rarely see him try to beat multiple people to force a play individually (like you might expect out of someone as productive as he is) but he’ll use whatever space he’s given as a tool to get better opportunities for himself or his teammates. While he’s not powerful through his stride or in his board battles, impressive footwork helps him open up and direct opposing plays to the outside, close gaps, recover from mistakes, or adjust across the offensive-zone blue line with the puck.
He knows exactly when to move, and attack, and take space. He’s so smart on exits, where he just makes subtle little plays with the puck on his stick to evade pressure, escape danger, and skate the puck out of the zone. He projects as a No. 4-5 at his ceiling and a No. 6-7 at his floor. I just don’t see him coming over to the AHL and not getting into the call-up conversation.
Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Now back to the original premise of the argument you trying to justify your proposal implys two things. Niemala is worth a first, and Domi has Equal too or less than value of Lafferty both are untrue. Domi is currently producing at 66 point pace, Lafferty at 33 point pace,
Ok lets do this:
Just from rumours we have Laf worth as much as a 1st (which he didn't get). Haven't seen Domi rumoured to be there at all. Points really don't matter that much in individual eval - particularly not as a deadline rental vs a multi-year cheaply contracted player - See Jeannot, Goodrow, etc if you need any proof of that.
Secondly, a
LATE 1st in 2025.
If I need to tell you how little value a late 1st in 2025 has then there really isn't much point in continuing this convo. Time value + pick value, yeah I'd rather have Topi (so I am very happy with how this came out).
Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Niemala was drafted in the 3rd round
So your entire argument is draft pedigree. Had the rags not traded up for Schneider Mook would have been taken right around where Topi was (iirc mook was ranked around 50th depending on who you asked).
I'm not gonna bother with the other guy anymore. I've already dedicated far too much time to his nonsense between yesterday and today. You at least seem reasonable even though we disagree