Chych > Slavin

Add another 1st and Zona still says no

??? Slavin>>>>chychrun

people don't realize slavin is one of the best defenders in the league lol the Norris is just a two way trophy

He is underrated but Chychrun is also being overrated.

Montreal isn't taking KK back, you wanted him now you are stuck with him

by what metrics exactly?

the point of defense is to push the puck away from your own zone AND dish it out to your scorers

defensive dmen are the most replaceable positions in hockey, next to the check line [aka AHL line]

The irony is the OP is a Montreal fan

That's gross...

The metric for Chychrun being somewhat overrated is Games played/Season. Analytics are used to compare players by standardizing the raw values but models aren't perfect. I don't know how or if different models consider sample size but Chychrun playing 70% of his team games in the last 3-years is probably not considered an issue. It's likely not even taken into account in /60 metrics. 70% is a significant portion but the reason why I say Chychrun is overrated is because we never have seen what he can do in a full 82-game season. You might think that is irrelevant but to me all Chychrun has proven is that he can be great for 50-70 games.

Just some things to consider:

-Chychrun could be more valuable than Slavin but that doesn't mean Slavin can't be better than him overall.
-Even if DFD are easy to replace, if Slavin is the best or among the best defensive defencemen it's not easy to replace him. Another example of a player type being simple to replace but not a specific one is Tom Wilson, even though Grinders have pretty much been phased out of the league.

Draper/Maltby =/= Wilson, Bertuzzi

If anythin, Chych is most needed for 16-28 intense games in the spring where he has almost no peer outside of Fox, Makar

Oh he's 100% correct. Why do you think the Canes are 2nd in the league in points and the Yotes are, oh wait.... maybe he isn't right.

looooooooooooooooool nice argument, you musta graduated top of your class at Barbarian University of Germany

Wilson is a grinder who can score and produce at a higher clip than others, and that's why he's not a 4th or replaceable by the likes of Reaves. Bertuzzi isn't even one. Slavin isn't getting replaced easily by Edmundson.

they are power forwards, not "grinders"

Edmundson is trash

Slavin is the best DFD, but I rather build my team around an average 1M DFD and 4M puck mover/scorer for the same cap hit

Sending you Armia and Ylonen. Keep KK and build the Carolina Suomi.

You're right, Chychrun is much better than Slavin, the 6 time All-Star, Lady Byng winner, who's received Norris votes 6 times (you know, even though defensive defensemen) and has multiple finishes higher than Chychrun's lone 10th place Norris finish in 20-21.

I know there isn't a lot of grass out in AZ but I suggest you go find some and give it a touch.

I see why you mentioned Bertuzzi now, but I don't agree that Tom Wilson is a PWF but that doesn't really matter. The point I was making is that he's not easily replaced by Reaves who can replace the physical aspect of Wilson's game but not the production. When you said "defensive dmen are the most replaceable positions in hockey" you implied that Slavin can be replaced easily but by your own admission he can't since he's the best at it. He can't be replaced by the likes of Edmundson. The only good replacement of him is a high end TWD, and you probably think Chychrun is one but he's not on the same level as Makar or Fox, overall.

Whether you want to build your team around Slavin or a puck moving defenceman (I have no idea if Slavin is good at transitioning or not)/ TWD that's a different story. I would say though that I wouldn't be picking Chychrun as the guy to build my team around until he proves he can be healthy. Having your best player/dman sitting in the press box isn't going to help you make a deep run in the playoffs to reach the goal of winning the Cup assuming you can make the playoffs without him.

Edit: Saw your edit. Chychrun might be able to play in the playoffs this year because he's been recovering for a lot of the year and is now being held out, but chances are that he does get hurt (if he isn't already). How about next year though? Will he even make it to the playoffs? Plus, he was a non-factor offensively in the 9 playoff games that he did play in 2019-20. He was only 21 yo, but the whole point is he's not proven.

Adding Chychrun without shipping out Slavin would make sense. Maybe even have a Slavin-Chychrun if Chychrun is any good on his off-side.

if that last sentence was true then lets see how Erik Gudbranson would do on the Canes 1st pairing

they only have 1 defenseman above 25 points (Brent Burns, the former forward) yet they've given up the 2nd least goals of the year. Also look at the likes of Ned, Mrazek, Reimer... once goalies leave Carolina their stats drop quite a bit