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Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:00 p.m.
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FIRE HEXTALL
Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:01 p.m.
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Pens are better
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Dissapointed
Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:03 p.m.
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Why are Pens fans upset? A second isn't that bad, and he'll probably do MUCH better in a new system. He was terrible this year because Hynes didn't know how to utilize him.
Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:06 p.m.
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Why are Pens fans upset? A second isn't that bad, and he'll probably do MUCH better in a new system. He was terrible this year because Hynes didn't know how to utilize him.


I'm not really mad. The value is good, however we still kinda need another Forward. This trade doesnt give us the cap to do that unless we get someone like Raddysh
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Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:12 p.m.
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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer
Why are Pens fans upset? A second isn't that bad, and he'll probably do MUCH better in a new system. He was terrible this year because Hynes didn't know how to utilize him.


I’m not upset honestly. I think there’s definetly more moves on the way. Bottom 6 could use more offence and Granlund can help out for sure. Hes had a down year in Nashville but literally everyone has I feel like.
Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:13 p.m.
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I'm not really mad. The value is good, however we still kinda need another Forward. This trade doesnt give us the cap to do that unless we get someone like Raddysh


I’m thinking boeser petterson swap happens now
Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:14 p.m.
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I’m thinking boeser petterson swap happens now


Only if van retains is the way that can actually happen
Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:16 p.m.
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Only if van retains is the way that can actually happen

Yeah I’m guessing 1750000 retained for petterson +3rd or 2nd
Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:29 p.m.
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Yeah I’m guessing 1750000 retained for petterson +3rd or 2nd


I see more value in Pettersson than Boeser. It would be an overpay if there’s anything more than Pettersson to Vancouver
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Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:32 p.m.
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I see more value in Pettersson than Boeser. It would be an overpay if there’s anything more than Pettersson to Vancouver


Ig. Boeser is one of my fave players so I might be a bit biased, but boeser 1.75 retained for MP would be awesome
Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:33 p.m.
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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer
Why are Pens fans upset? A second isn't that bad, and he'll probably do MUCH better in a new system. He was terrible this year because Hynes didn't know how to utilize him.


Because pens fans get upset over any move anyone ever makes lol. If the pens would have traded a 2nd and Dumo for Chychrun they’d have probably complained lol.
I thought this was underrated because he and Zucker played so well together in Minny and could possibly push Rust down to 3rd line.
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Mar. 1, 2023 at 8:47 p.m.
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Because pens fans get upset over any move anyone ever makes lol. If the pens would have traded a 2nd and Dumo for Chychrun they’d have probably complained lol.
I thought this was underrated because he and Zucker played so well together in Minny and could possibly push Rust down to 3rd line.


Just stumbled on that a few minutes ago. Zucker and Grandy had good chemistry years ago. Wonder if some of that can be reignited
Mar. 2, 2023 at 9:29 a.m.
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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer
Why are Pens fans upset? A second isn't that bad, and he'll probably do MUCH better in a new system. He was terrible this year because Hynes didn't know how to utilize him.


Because it's an awful trade. They cleared cap space to sign an underperformer on the wrong side of 30 whos signed for 5mil with 3 years left. He brings nothing that the Pens needed. And most importantly there were much better options to be had this year for either the same price or same cap hit. The move doesn't make the team competitive this year - and just wastes cap space for the next 2 years as well.
Mar. 2, 2023 at 9:31 a.m.
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Because pens fans get upset over any move anyone ever makes lol. If the pens would have traded a 2nd and Dumo for Chychrun they’d have probably complained lol.
I thought this was underrated because he and Zucker played so well together in Minny and could possibly push Rust down to 3rd line.


They don't though lol. Pens fans are complaining because this is objectively a horrible trade.
Mar. 2, 2023 at 11:06 a.m.
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They don't though lol. Pens fans are complaining because this is objectively a horrible trade.


No they really do. They are upset that they got a 3rd and prospect for an overpaid 4th liner who has only somewhat excelled on the pk this year, and are upset we got a 2nd liner making 5 million per year. He hasn’t played a single game for the pens yet and y’all acting like he’s worse than McGinn 😂
Mar. 2, 2023 at 11:22 a.m.
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No they really do. They are upset that they got a 3rd and prospect for an overpaid 4th liner who has only somewhat excelled on the pk this year, and are upset we got a 2nd liner making 5 million per year. He hasn’t played a single game for the pens yet and y’all acting like he’s worse than McGinn 😂


No - they really don't. People loved the Rakell trade. People just like Blueger lol - they aren't actually complaining about the trade value or saying it's a bad trade. And since this team is going nowhere they aren't happy to see a fan favorite leave. That's all

Granlund isn't even going to be playing 2nd line. And people are upset because there were a bevy of better moves that could have been made. Instead they cleared all this cap space only to waste it all on an underperforming player that meets none of the teams needs and is signed for 5mil(no retention) with term. It's an objectively terrible trade. Nothing about it is good. He does nothing that the Pens need. No defense, no physicality, no forechecking, limited scoring. Just another guy who passes the puck. Could have had Neiderreiter for the same exact pick from the exact same team. Could have had Chychrun and Bjugstad for almost the same exact money. Nothing about this trade makes any sense. I'm not sure why you're laughing at that lol - Granlund has less goals than McGinn and is significantly worse defensively and plays no PK. And makes almost twice as much. He will be 11th amongst Pens forwards in points/60 .

There's no noticeable improvement to the team - and now they lose 5mil in cap space for next season. Either go all in or keep cap space to retool - these were the correct moves. He did neither.
Mar. 2, 2023 at 2:09 p.m.
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No - they really don't. People loved the Rakell trade. People just like Blueger lol - they aren't actually complaining about the trade value or saying it's a bad trade. And since this team is going nowhere they aren't happy to see a fan favorite leave. That's all

Granlund isn't even going to be playing 2nd line. And people are upset because there were a bevy of better moves that could have been made. Instead they cleared all this cap space only to waste it all on an underperforming player that meets none of the teams needs and is signed for 5mil(no retention) with term. It's an objectively terrible trade. Nothing about it is good. He does nothing that the Pens need. No defense, no physicality, no forechecking, limited scoring. Just another guy who passes the puck. Could have had Neiderreiter for the same exact pick from the exact same team. Could have had Chychrun and Bjugstad for almost the same exact money. Nothing about this trade makes any sense. I'm not sure why you're laughing at that lol - Granlund has less goals than McGinn and is significantly worse defensively and plays no PK. And makes almost twice as much. He will be 11th amongst Pens forwards in points/60 .

There's no noticeable improvement to the team - and now they lose 5mil in cap space for next season. Either go all in or keep cap space to retool - these were the correct moves. He did neither.


This team is going no where so they are mad getting assets for a pending UFA that wasn’t going to re-sign and having a bad year? Weird.
Trust me, people were mad to see ZAR and prospects & picks go last year too. People were suspect of it being Rakell was a pending UFA.
And right he’s starting on the 3rd line because he just got traded for and hasn’t had a real practice. They did the same with Rakell last year for the first handful of games. Once they get some practices in, he could possibly be moved to the 2nd line. And this does nothing to their cap flexibility next year. They started the year with a projection of 19-20 million in cap space next year, and that’s where they currently are after the moves.
And it has nothing to actually do with cap flexibility cause people are mad that we got Granlund and not either Boeser or Miller who count more against the cap than Granlund lol
Mar. 2, 2023 at 2:56 p.m.
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This team is going no where so they are mad getting assets for a pending UFA that wasn’t going to re-sign and having a bad year? Weird.
Trust me, people were mad to see ZAR and prospects & picks go last year too. People were suspect of it being Rakell was a pending UFA.
And right he’s starting on the 3rd line because he just got traded for and hasn’t had a real practice. They did the same with Rakell last year for the first handful of games. Once they get some practices in, he could possibly be moved to the 2nd line. And this does nothing to their cap flexibility next year. They started the year with a projection of 19-20 million in cap space next year, and that’s where they currently are after the moves.
And it has nothing to actually do with cap flexibility cause people are mad that we got Granlund and not either Boeser or Miller who count more against the cap than Granlund lol


It seems like you didn't read what I said about Blueger. And no the Rakell trade was very well received.

He's starting on the 3rd line because that's what we got him for. This team needed 3rd line help. Otherwise what is the point of the trade? If you're moving him to the 2nd line you might as well have just kept Kapanen and put him at 2RW. Yes, it 100% does do something to their cap flexibility lol - how can you argue against that? It's just factual information. If you sign a guy making 5 million for 2 more years - then that lowers your cap space for the next 2 years.

It actually does have to do with cap flexibility - a lot. And term. Miller is a significantly better player than Granlund - and nobody is saying cap hit is the only thing that matters. The point is they had better options. They cleared cap space and instead of upgrading the team to be competitive, or keeping the cap space, they did neither. They wasted the cap space on an underperforming player that doesn't help the team win now, but takes up valuable cap space that could have been used to retool the team next year. It's a waste. If you weren't going to make moves and compete this year - you save the cap space for the offseason.
Mar. 2, 2023 at 3:04 p.m.
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It seems like you didn't read what I said about Blueger. And no the Rakell trade was very well received.

He's starting on the 3rd line because that's what we got him for. This team needed 3rd line help. Otherwise what is the point of the trade? If you're moving him to the 2nd line you might as well have just kept Kapanen and put him at 2RW. Yes, it 100% does do something to their cap flexibility lol - how can you argue against that? It's just factual information. If you sign a guy making 5 million for 2 more years - then that lowers your cap space for the next 2 years.

It actually does have to do with cap flexibility - a lot. And term. Miller is a significantly better player than Granlund - and nobody is saying cap hit is the only thing that matters. The point is they had better options. They cleared cap space and instead of upgrading the team to be competitive, or keeping the cap space, they did neither. They wasted the cap space on an underperforming player that doesn't help the team win now, but takes up valuable cap space that could have been used to retool the team next year. It's a waste. If you weren't going to make moves and compete this year - you save the cap space for the offseason.


No it wasn’t. Not at first. Did people like Rakell, sure but a lot of people were against trading a solid prospect and pick for him.

No he’s starting on the 3rd line because he was just traded for and hasn’t had a practice. It hasn’t been established where he will play but it’s absolutely right to assume he will eventually slide in to 2RW and bump rust down as Granlund and Zucker had great chemistry in the past and both played their best hockey as linemates. Kappy didn’t get bumped up to the 2nd line cause Kappy sucks. And no it 100% does nothing for their cap flexibility. Again facts are facts. Trust me bro isn’t a reliable source. Their cap flexibility for next year before the moves was 19-20 million. Their cap space now after the moves is 19-20 million. In what way is 19-20 million less than 19-20 million? Lol it’s not. They have the same cap flexibility now that they did 2 weeks ago.
So the rest of your argument is just nonsense and based on unsubstantiated lies.
Mar. 2, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.
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No it wasn’t. Not at first. Did people like Rakell, sure but a lot of people were against trading a solid prospect and pick for him.

No he’s starting on the 3rd line because he was just traded for and hasn’t had a practice. It hasn’t been established where he will play but it’s absolutely right to assume he will eventually slide in to 2RW and bump rust down as Granlund and Zucker had great chemistry in the past and both played their best hockey as linemates. Kappy didn’t get bumped up to the 2nd line cause Kappy sucks. And no it 100% does nothing for their cap flexibility. Again facts are facts. Trust me bro isn’t a reliable source. Their cap flexibility for next year before the moves was 19-20 million. Their cap space now after the moves is 19-20 million. In what way is 19-20 million less than 19-20 million? Lol it’s not. They have the same cap flexibility now that they did 2 weeks ago.
So the rest of your argument is just nonsense and based on unsubstantiated lies.


Yes - it was.

He's starting on the 3rd line because our top 6 is set and very good. If they got him to play on the 2nd line that's just a waste. The 3rd line is what needed improvement - so it's not really right to assume he'll play on the second line. Why break up the best line? If they were open to bumping Rust down, they should have just swapped Kapanen and Rust - instead of wasting cap space and assets on Granlund. Nobody cares if guys had decent chemistry 6 years ago. Oh Kap sucks? He scored at a significantly higher rate than Granlund while getting no ozone starts and playing with Carter and McGinn - so how much does Granlund suck then?

Yes it does lol - you can't even argue against that. Correct, facts are facts. I'm the one giving facts - while you're giving "trust me bro" an your argument. In what way is signing a guy for 5mil for 3 years not giving them less cap than not signing the guy lol? You make absolutely no sense

Nothing I said is nonsense. And nowhere did I lie. No reason to get angry just because you're wrong bub. I would love for you to explain anywhere where I've lied or anything I've said that's nonsense.
Mar. 2, 2023 at 5:06 p.m.
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Yes - it was.

He's starting on the 3rd line because our top 6 is set and very good. If they got him to play on the 2nd line that's just a waste. The 3rd line is what needed improvement - so it's not really right to assume he'll play on the second line. Why break up the best line? If they were open to bumping Rust down, they should have just swapped Kapanen and Rust - instead of wasting cap space and assets on Granlund. Nobody cares if guys had decent chemistry 6 years ago. Oh Kap sucks? He scored at a significantly higher rate than Granlund while getting no ozone starts and playing with Carter and McGinn - so how much does Granlund suck then?

Yes it does lol - you can't even argue against that. Correct, facts are facts. I'm the one giving facts - while you're giving "trust me bro" an your argument. In what way is signing a guy for 5mil for 3 years not giving them less cap than not signing the guy lol? You make absolutely no sense

Nothing I said is nonsense. And nowhere did I lie. No reason to get angry just because you're wrong bub. I would love for you to explain anywhere where I've lied or anything I've said that's nonsense.


Kapanen didn’t score at a significantly higher rate than Granlund. There’s no point in discussion if you’re just going to lie and makeup nonsense because Granlund peed in your cereal or something lol. You claim Granlund doesn’t play on the PK yet that’s false. Claim McGinn at least plays PK…what difference does that make? At least Granlund plays PP (and does play PK btw) and just because a player plays on a teams PK doesn’t make him that good at it. McGinn was awful on the PK and that’s when the pk would get exposed…when he was on the ice. You act like the pens had the best pk in the league. Trading McGinn for Granlund on it is an absolute upgrade to the pk.
But again, it’s no point in discussing the trade since you don’t have an open mind, are never going to accept your bias, and just making up BS to try to make it out that Granlund is worse than Kappy, McGinn, and Blueger
Mar. 3, 2023 at 9:21 a.m.
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Kapanen didn’t score at a significantly higher rate than Granlund. There’s no point in discussion if you’re just going to lie and makeup nonsense because Granlund peed in your cereal or something lol. You claim Granlund doesn’t play on the PK yet that’s false. Claim McGinn at least plays PK…what difference does that make? At least Granlund plays PP (and does play PK btw) and just because a player plays on a teams PK doesn’t make him that good at it. McGinn was awful on the PK and that’s when the pk would get exposed…when he was on the ice. You act like the pens had the best pk in the league. Trading McGinn for Granlund on it is an absolute upgrade to the pk.
But again, it’s no point in discussing the trade since you don’t have an open mind, are never going to accept your bias, and just making up BS to try to make it out that Granlund is worse than Kappy, McGinn, and Blueger


Points per 60 at 5v5
Kapanen: 1.84
Granlund: 1.31

So yes - he did. So you saying I'm lying and making up nonsense, when I'm just giving facts, actually makes you the liar who's making up nonsense. Sure dude - he plays PK. He's 7th amongst NSH forwards in short handed ice time - my bad. The point still stands.

It's just embarrassing how arrogant and condescending you are you because you know you're wrong lol. The only one without an open mind here is you. The only one with a bias here is you. The only one making up BS here is you. None of this applies to me - but it's easier to deflect and attack me than make a rational argument I guess. I never even said he was worse than any of those guys - but sick strawman
Mar. 3, 2023 at 11:24 a.m.
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Points per 60 at 5v5
Kapanen: 1.84
Granlund: 1.31

So yes - he did. So you saying I'm lying and making up nonsense, when I'm just giving facts, actually makes you the liar who's making up nonsense. Sure dude - he plays PK. He's 7th amongst NSH forwards in short handed ice time - my bad. The point still stands.

It's just embarrassing how arrogant and condescending you are you because you know you're wrong lol. The only one without an open mind here is you. The only one with a bias here is you. The only one making up BS here is you. None of this applies to me - but it's easier to deflect and attack me than make a rational argument I guess. I never even said he was worse than any of those guys - but sick strawman


Nah you’re a liar. You got proven wrong and now you’re trying to change it up. You didn’t say 5 v 5 at first (which .5 p/60 still isn’t significant). You’ve tried making up a load of BS because you’re miserable. It’s fine. Just go be miserable somewhere else lol. Kapanen is on the blues now. You can go be a blues fan. 👍
Mar. 3, 2023 at 11:54 a.m.
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Nah you’re a liar. You got proven wrong and now you’re trying to change it up. You didn’t say 5 v 5 at first (which .5 p/60 still isn’t significant). You’ve tried making up a load of BS because you’re miserable. It’s fine. Just go be miserable somewhere else lol. Kapanen is on the blues now. You can go be a blues fan. 👍


Stop just repeatedly calling me a liar without saying where I've lied lol - you're a child. You are the dictionary definition of trust me bro

I didn't get proven wrong though. I'm not changing it up. Everybody knows 5v5 stats are the standard. Even including all strengths Kapanen is still scoring at a higher rate by a decent margin. 0.5pts/60 isn't significant - oh look you're lying again haha.

And there you go again saying I'm making up BS even though you have yet to point out where. And oh look more personal attacks. I'm not miserable at all - but you clearly are haha. You're so miserable your taking it out on another person and trying to ruin their day. Grow up bub. Go be a Blues fan? What're you 12? Grow up haha.
 
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