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(ARI/CBJ) - Gillies for Voracek

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Mar. 2, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
#26
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This is just a technicality. Not every player with a long-term injury has to go on LTIR. LTIR a vehicle to allow teams with injured players to go over the cap to replace them. If the team isn't over the cap, the player just goes on regular IR. When Arizona takes another team's LTIR player, he comes off LTIR because Arizona is under the cap.


The point being the yotes will never spend to the cap. Insurance and revenue sharing money will cover their whole payroll next year. Any money out of pocket and they’d be bankrupt.
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Mar. 2, 2023 at 1:55 p.m.
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Nah.
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- Jake's career is over;
- CBJ get a veteran G who will fill in for...
- Jonathan Quick, who is most likely lined up with a trade partner now;
- And AZ is a joke;
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Mar. 2, 2023 at 2:14 p.m.
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We are all equal
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They don’t have anyone on LTIR


LTIR doesn't count towards the cap. IR does. They leave guys on the IR just so they reach the cap floor.... loop hole EXPOSED!
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Mar. 2, 2023 at 2:18 p.m.
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Sabres are elite
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I thought Arizona didn't want to take back any money in a Chychrun trade, yet the next day they go out and acquire an 8+ mil player? Regardless, big Arizona dub. If Voracek plays next season and plays decently, they can retain 50% and get a mid-round pick. Arizona is stockpiling picks, not sure it will work in their favour but I applaud the effort
Mar. 2, 2023 at 2:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Trip
Arizona is turning into an LTIR retreat.


They've got golf courses, great weather, good food, proximity to Tijuana, what's not to like?
Mar. 2, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.
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Again these owners should be removed , how is this good for the NHL? AZ is just a pit of misery with no end
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Mar. 2, 2023 at 2:49 p.m.
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Phil kessil 2.0
Mar. 2, 2023 at 2:50 p.m.
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No offense but waste of cap space still Phil kessl 2.0
Mar. 2, 2023 at 2:50 p.m.
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Make LTIR players unmovable or at least require the team to retain 50% of the salary , teams shouldn't be able to dump off their trash for a 6th round pick
Mar. 2, 2023 at 3:05 p.m.
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This is crazy. 'zona should seek for a new management. Approx. 8 years ago they're able to get high draft picks for cap dumps. Today they get ridiculous value in return. Voracek, Gostisbehere are good examples.
Mar. 2, 2023 at 3:08 p.m.
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The Coyotes move to Quebec and the Red Wings go back to the Central Division.

This isn't rocket science Gary Bettman.
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Mar. 2, 2023 at 3:30 p.m.
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I thought Arizona didn't want to take back any money in a Chychrun trade, yet the next day they go out and acquire an 8+ mil player? Regardless, big Arizona dub. If Voracek plays next season and plays decently, they can retain 50% and get a mid-round pick. Arizona is stockpiling picks, not sure it will work in their favour but I applaud the effort


That’s the gamble. All signs are that Voracek’s career is over. Not like you can rehab a concussion. Can’t even monitor it with blood work, vitals, or an EPT kit from Walmart. Plus, given the sports landscape in 2023, I sure wouldn’t want to be the team even nudging a player w/ concussion concerns to resume his career. Ever.

Perhaps at some point, Jake and Jake alone will come to the decision that he misses hockey, needs hockey, and wants to return to play in the NHL. But he has two young sons (born ‘16 and ‘19) for whom he wants to be present, literally and figuratively, which he will undoubtedly consider in any decision. One would think exile to Arizona decreases the likelihood of his return, but it actually gives him the best scenario personally. He no longer is tethered to the emotional obligations tied to the team that drafted him AND traded a very popular player to reacquire him. (Despite appearances, Cam Atkinson and Voracek are only months apart in age.)

Now, if he wants to return, he can actually go anywhere: Arizona would much rather trade him than play him. That puts him in a location of his choosing, presumptively with a contender. If and only if he wants. In the meantime, he can live and recover in Czechia.

My best bet—most assuredly NOT going out on a limb here—Voracek looks back on his 1000+ NHL games with pride and calls it a career in North America. He’ll probably test the frozen waters back home at some point down the road, with assurances from Jagr that anyone taking a shot at Jake will disappear deep into the Vltava. In that scenario, ARZ does not “win the lottery” and flip him for far more value than they paid. (They have made SOME savvy moves. See: 👻 🐻) But the Yotes real goal is to just kill time while they’re stuck in a peewee rink, hover barely above the cap floor while paying less in real world dollars, and field as bad of a team as possible to maximize the value of their own picks. Jake’s real money variance is nowhere near as great as Weber’s, but it does help the other agendas.

Really overlooked CBJ in this, because the analysis is mostly the obvious combined with the aforementioned. They moved a $8.25M cap hit off the books for next year, a player they were NOT going to push to play. And yes, the dirty, unspoken secret that manifests too apparently to be a true secret: CBJ’s ownership group tends to idolize Scrooge McDuck, particularly since the founder/patriarch passed. So while other teams would have just utilized Voracek on LTIR, that was an undesirable path for this team. Werenski’s LTIR went entirely unused this season (maybe will be a bit now with the Gus and Quick retentions). In fact, had they desired, the Jackets could have dipped well beyond $20M into LTIR with their injuries, but it was never a consideration. How many 3rd, 4th, 5th round picks did they miss out on by avoiding brokering deals? And I never fully believe a story sourced out of Boston, but if they indeed refused to take on Craig Smith (or Jesse Puljujärvi), look at the capital it cost them.

Finally, as for Gilles the goalie, I hope/presume he’s just a space filler in the AHL while CBJ rotate Tarasov, Greaves, and Lalonde through the main roster down the stretch, just to get a sense how unprepared each are to back up the already inept Elvis next season. 🥅
Mar. 2, 2023 at 3:31 p.m.
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They've got golf courses, great weather, good food, proximity to Tijuana, what's not to like?


Proximity to Tijuana.
Mar. 2, 2023 at 3:35 p.m.
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Go leafs go
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Arizona is a joke of a franchise and I feel awful for anyone whose a Coyotes fan.


They exist? Lol
Mar. 2, 2023 at 3:38 p.m.
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Nah.
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Quoting: dopplsan
Points:

- Jake's career is over;
- CBJ get a veteran G who will fill in for...
- Jonathan Quick, who is most likely lined up with a trade partner now;
- And AZ is a joke;


Per my previous email.
Mar. 2, 2023 at 3:52 p.m.
#41
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Make LTIR players unmovable or at least require the team to retain 50% of the salary , teams shouldn't be able to dump off their trash for a 6th round pick


No need for a rule change. The only way teams can do this is because there’s a market for this. ARZ is in a unique, transitory phase, being hit with the real world economic double whammy of (unnecessarily) restrictive COVID restrictions leading to losses and a stadium situation in flux. But striking gold on both ends with players like Ghost Bear makes the Yotes willing to take these chances. Also, remember, it was not long ago that they traded for Taylor Hall in a playoff push.

Nobody chastised Detroit or Chicago when they made desperate, very-short sighted moves to extend their windows in the first half of the last decade. Those bills have come due. Come to think of it, move that window back a few years and you have the LA Kings, leading directly to the hyperbolic Quick fiasco. Wouldn’t be surprised to see other teams likewise suffering long droughts after skipping interest payments, looking to only today and not tomorrow. (TBL is an easy target here, but it would be irresponsible to not include Diamond Sports Group aka Bally Sports as well.)

Arizona is not in an ideal situation, and will not be putting forth an ideal squad next season. That cuts against the spirit of the game. But I do give them credit for recognizing—and admitting—their situation, and taking immediate steps toward correction. It might—it will—get worse before it gets better, but they appear committed to improving the best way they know how.
Mar. 2, 2023 at 4:01 p.m.
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You know nothing JS
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ARZ draft board & the insane # of "picks" is SICK


36 picks in the next 3 drafts. Most are 2nd and 3rds. Thant's an average of 5 over a normal draft year (7).

A lot of kids are going to be pissed to be drafted by a mickey mouse club in the following years.
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Mar. 2, 2023 at 4:57 p.m.
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Trades like this should not be allowed. There should be a Permanent Injury Designation where a player can collect the rest of his remaining salary and be stricken from the team's rooster for salary cap and contract purposes.
Mar. 2, 2023 at 5:07 p.m.
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Quoting: jpsnow13
36 picks in the next 3 drafts. Most are 2nd and 3rds. Thant's an average of 5 over a normal draft year (7).

A lot of kids are going to be pissed to be drafted by a mickey mouse club in the following years.


That's ok, if any of then turn into a decent player they'll just he traded for more picks and prospects anyways laugh
Mar. 2, 2023 at 6:03 p.m.
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hes dynamite
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gonna call it now. Tyler Myers to the coyotes after the canucks pay his signing bonus before next year. 6mil defenseman who costs 1 mil real money, thats a coyote player if i ever saw one
Mar. 2, 2023 at 8:57 p.m.
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[Adam Herman] Of the $67.2M cap hit the Arizona Coyotes now have on the roster, 57.6% of that is allocated to pseudo-retirements, cap retention via trade, and contract dumps. To repeat, that is 57.6%.
Mar. 3, 2023 at 9:05 p.m.
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Jon Gillies is a waivers clearance while Jakub Voracek will be a LTIR placement for next season.

And Columbus just made it easy for Arizona to hit the cap floor for next season as well.

The only thing of any value in this trade is the draft pick.



Arizona wins the trade.
Mar. 3, 2023 at 9:54 p.m.
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Quoting: jpsnow13
36 picks in the next 3 drafts. Most are 2nd and 3rds. Thant's an average of 5 over a normal draft year (7).


2023 -- two 1sts, one 2nd, four 3rds -- 7 in the first three rounds
2024 -- one 1st, four 2nds, three 3rds -- 8
2025 -- one 1st, four 2nds, two 3rds -- 7
2026 -- one 1st, three 2nds, two thirds -- 6


Easy to sleep on picks in 25 and 26 so far away, but they are really setting up and incredible pipeline of picks into the future. Use some, trade some, trade up, etc They've only got 50 contracts to hand out, so there will be more mixing and matching in the future.

I'm not thrilled with the Chychrun and Ghost returns, but we'll see where Ottawa finishes until I get too low on that trade.
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