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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #13: Happy trade deadline day!

Mar. 22, 2023 at 6:55 p.m.
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sucks to hear that hes not doing good, he was a good second pair guy in MTL
xhekaj's a good playmaking defenseman who can indeed play defense and is basically romanov premium when it comes to hits


Romanov was very good under MSL…he struggled before he became HC.

Maybe Xhekaj was given too big of a role and hell be good defensively in the future, but he definitely struggled a bit this season. Goal scoring and fighting were his strengths
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 6:57 p.m.
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Off topic question, can you post Quinn Hughes' RAPM chart. He made a comment yesterday calling out the people who say he is a defensive liability. I was pretty shocked to see his EVD and Off to be positive


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Mar. 22, 2023 at 6:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
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I'm not used to seeing blue above the xGA/60 and CA/60

If the rest of the Canucks defense wasn't a dumpster fire and we weren't running AHL goalies for the whole year, Hughes would be getting Norris votes
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 7:06 p.m.
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Why the hell did Jermey Bracco not play in the nhl.
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 7:07 p.m.
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They need a middle 6 C, and 2 more top 4 defensemen to become contenders. Bottom 6 doesn't need re-structuring other than that 3C. Miller has been playing a lot better recently so maybe he can hold down the 2C spot. Doesn't seem like much, but they don't just grow on trees. If they play their cards right, they are likely a bubble team if Demko plays like normal


Nothing matters unless they :
1) Hoglander, Raty and/or Podkolzin breakout
2) find a Seider type RD to play with Hughes (draft reinbacher)
3) OEL doesnt play like a minimum level player
4) they clear cap from overpaid plugs and fill with good depth
Mar. 22, 2023 at 7:10 p.m.
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Why the hell did Jermey Bracco not play in the nhl.


Skating never improved

And in NHL development Leafs are one of the best teams at skating development. So signs were showing he didnt have the tools for the NHL.
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 7:13 p.m.
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Nothing matters unless they :
1) Hoglander, Raty and/or Podkolzin breakout
2) find a Seider type RD to play with Hughes (draft reinbacher)
3) OEL doesnt play like a minimum level player
4) they clear cap from overpaid plugs and fill with good depth


If you to target a player who would it be
Hoglander or Pod.

Because if the capitals trade 11oa pick and Mantha for a good haul from the nicks who would it be. Unrealistic just some thinking here. Don’t think we should do it
Mar. 22, 2023 at 7:15 p.m.
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Skating never improved

And in NHL development Leafs are one of the best teams at skating development. So signs were showing he didnt have the tools for the NHL.

Is that why pierre and sandin are the way they are?
Mar. 22, 2023 at 7:16 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
Nothing matters unless they :
1) Hoglander, Raty and/or Podkolzin breakout
2) find a Seider type RD to play with Hughes (draft reinbacher)
3) OEL doesnt play like a minimum level player
4) they clear cap from overpaid plugs and fill with good depth


1) While it would definitely be beneficial for those 3 to breakout, it is not crucial in our success. If Raty can be a 3C then that would be the most impactful, however the Canucks offense has been doing just fine so far. Already an abundance of wingers.
2) Seems pretty obvious. Maybe Hronek steps up but rather have him on the 2nd pair to spread the wealth as those are currently our only 2 top 4 defensemen
3) Canucks have been doing very good without OEL. As long as he doesn't actively hurt the team then its fine. Preferably acquire a 2nd pair LHD.
4) Myers has to go, Boeser is likely out. Not going to get good value out of either but it is what it is
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 7:17 p.m.
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If you to target a player who would it be
Hoglander or Pod.

Because if the capitals trade 11oa pick and Mantha for a good haul from the nicks who would it be. Unrealistic just some thinking here. Don’t think we should do it


Don't think anybody on the Canucks is worth the 11th overall. Anybody who is worth that is likely off limits as management wants to compete rather than rebuild. Also depends on how you value Mantha. I could see the Caps going after someone like Boeser or Garland but it won't cost the first round pick
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 7:20 p.m.
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Don't think anybody on the Canucks is worth the 11th overall. Anybody who is worth that is likely off limits as management wants to compete rather than rebuild. Also depends on how you value Mantha. I could see the Caps going after someone like Boeser or Garland but it won't cost the first round pick
I had that idea then forgot about you guys traded the isles pick.

Which kills the deal
Mar. 22, 2023 at 7:21 p.m.
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I had that idea then forgot about you guys traded the isles pick.

Which kills the deal


I think Boeser gets traded with some retention to recoup the 2nd round pick we traded away.
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 7:44 p.m.
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Canucks hockey. Where pretty much nothing makes sense
Mar. 22, 2023 at 7:54 p.m.
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Canucks hockey. Where pretty much nothing makes sense


Bo Horvat #3 in shorthanded goals. PK strategy: just score
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 8:15 p.m.
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is there another fanbase worse than isles fans when it comes to evaluating players? Maybe leafs fans who want to get rid of Nylander , Sandin etc..



Mar. 22, 2023 at 8:18 p.m.
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Anybody can gather the following by looking at the standings a moment but it’s nice to summarize sometimes:

5 teams have 10 games left, and the rest will join them momentarily

4 points separate 4 teams, potentially 5 due to games at hand, for first place in the west.

Looks like Arizona’s pick for Chychrun will be quite okay.

It doesn’t look likely that any team leapfrogs out of the wildcard and pushes somebody down into it.

One of Pittsburg, NYI, and Panthers will miss the playoffs. Cannot decide who until I see that Pittsburg has a negative goal differential and a 4 game losing streak, so I choose you.

It would be difficult to see the Capitals sneak in but the Caps play each team above them in the wc once and nyi twice. So technically they can control their own destiny but that also means win out.

The west wildcard sees one of the flames, Seattle, or jets miss the playoffs.

In the Bedard sweepstakes:

There’s a group at 1-4 then the rest. Entirely possible the rest gets scrambled quite a bit as the season ends as there are 7 teams within 10 points of each other, and multiple instances where they play each other.
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 8:56 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 22, 2023 at 9:25 p.m.
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Is that why pierre and sandin are the way they are?


Both know how to skate. Sandin's issue was he cant handle physical teams. He gets overwhelmed by strong forecheck and when u got Tampa, Boston, Carolina, etc in the playoffs thats not a recipe for success to him. He can get u points but thats not all a Dman is for especially when u have Rielly .

Engvall's issue was he was 6'5 200 pounds and got bullied by smaller players often resulting in him lashing out. Got suspended once for it. If he played with some bite he would have been equivalent to Marchment when he was with the Panthers.
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 9:06 p.m.
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 9:18 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Both know how to skate. Sandin's issue was he cant handle physical teams. He gets overwhelmed by strong forecheck and when u got Tampa, Boston, Carolina, etc in the playoffs thats not a recipe for success to him. He can get u points but thats not all a Dman is for.

Engvall's issue was he was 6'5 200 pounds and got bullied by smaller players often resulting in him lashing out. Got suspended once for it. If he played with some bite he would have been equivalent to Marchment when he was with the Panthers.





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Mar. 22, 2023 at 9:57 p.m.
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The closest we got was the 2016 WC

NHL should bring that **** back

Team NA vs. Team Europe vs. Team Sweden vs. Team Russia
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 10:02 p.m.
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If Atlanta gets a team before Quebec I’m gonna lose it.


Agreed. Houston too
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Mar. 22, 2023 at 11:52 p.m.
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Arizona should have moved Keller at the TDL as he is sabotaging their Bedard chances

Hauled down and still somehow scored off the backhand
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Mar. 23, 2023 at 1:20 a.m.
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McDavid has 60
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Mar. 23, 2023 at 9:53 a.m.
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I kinda feel like 40 goals in a season won’t be so hard to do anymore. So many players are hitting it
Mar. 23, 2023 at 10:48 a.m.
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Quoting: capsfan2121
I kinda feel like 40 goals in a season won’t be so hard to do anymore. So many players are hitting it


My theory is that expansion brings substantial changes to the game; obstruction or scoring, depending on if refs let skilled players skate.

There are 46 new NHL roster positions since Vegas joined. If a decade of expansion occurs with Houston, Quebec, etc, that number goes up. Had Vegas/Seattle not joined, there would be 46 more people in the AHL. The bar for all positions slowly creeps down, and the strength of the outstanding skater is magnified.

The quantity of skilled players cannot increase until the new franchises establish development cycles. This takes quite awhile, perhaps a decade or more.
 
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