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Would You Rather

Created by: coffey77
Team: 2022-23 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 11, 2023
Published: Mar. 11, 2023
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I don't think anyone likes Hextall's trade for Grandlund. Would you rather have a healthy John Gibson in net and a good 3c option? I don't think Jeff Carter would have waived his NTC so we probably would have to add draft capital for retaining salary.
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  1. 2023 2nd round pick (PIT)
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  1. Carter, Jeff
  2. Jarry, Tristan
  3. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
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2024
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2025
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21$82,500,000$72,241,842$0$0$10,258,158
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
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LW, RW
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UFA - 1
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NMC
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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UFA - 6
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
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$1,456,250$1,456,250
LW, C
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UFA - 2
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$900,000$900,000
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UFA - 1
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LW
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G
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$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
UFA - 3
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$1,125,000$1,125,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
RD
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$825,000$825,000
LD
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Mar. 11, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.
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I’d much rather have the Granlund trade and not do the ducks trade. It’s not even close either. Gibson is hot garbage. There is no reason to give up Jarry who is superior and a 1st to take on that Gibson contract that is even worse than Carters.
Mar. 11, 2023 at 4:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Hockeyfan1234
I’d much rather have the Granlund trade and not do the ducks trade. It’s not even close either. Gibson is hot garbage. There is no reason to give up Jarry who is superior and a 1st to take on that Gibson contract that is even worse than Carters.


I wouldn't do that trade either, but Jarry better than Gibson???? Noooooooo way. Gibson is way way better. I don't care that his stats are worse, the Ducks are one of the worst defensive teams I've ever seen. Jarry's SV% would be in the 85-90% range on that Ducks team. And Gibson has proven himself in playoffs and clutch moments.
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Mar. 11, 2023 at 5:00 p.m.
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Gibson's not leaving Anaheim, Verbeek has announced that to the season tickets holders.
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Mar. 11, 2023 at 5:01 p.m.
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Anaheim rejects

Jarry has no value as a rental and Carter is pure cap dump

The rest doesn’t get you both Rico and Gibby
Mar. 11, 2023 at 5:01 p.m.
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Gibson's not leaving Anaheim, Verbeek has announced that to the season tickets holders.


There’s also this!
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Mar. 11, 2023 at 5:14 p.m.
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The value of a workhorse #1 goalie will forever be underrated on ACGM.
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Mar. 11, 2023 at 5:29 p.m.
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I wouldn't do that trade either, but Jarry better than Gibson???? Noooooooo way. Gibson is way way better. I don't care that his stats are worse, the Ducks are one of the worst defensive teams I've ever seen. Jarry's SV% would be in the 85-90% range on that Ducks team. And Gibson has proven himself in playoffs and clutch moments.


That’s just a ludicrous statement. The pens defense is god awful at defending too. It’s maybe a slight upgrade to Anaheim. The constant breakaways and 2 on 1’s show that.
How many playoff wins does Gibson have in the past like 7 years? His last playoffs he had a 3.6 GAA and a .889 save percentage.
Goalies have played well on bad teams before. There is no reason to pay for a goalie that has looked like hot garbage, regardless of the team he is on.
Mar. 11, 2023 at 5:34 p.m.
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Just wanted to say love the user name. Top 3 favorite player of all time.
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Mar. 11, 2023 at 5:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Hockeyfan1234
That’s just a ludicrous statement. The pens defense is god awful at defending too. It’s maybe a slight upgrade to Anaheim. The constant breakaways and 2 on 1’s show that.
How many playoff wins does Gibson have in the past like 7 years? His last playoffs he had a 3.6 GAA and a .889 save percentage.
Goalies have played well on bad teams before. There is no reason to pay for a goalie that has looked like hot garbage, regardless of the team he is on.


Quoting: Hockeyfan1234
That’s just a ludicrous statement. The pens defense is god awful at defending too. It’s maybe a slight upgrade to Anaheim. The constant breakaways and 2 on 1’s show that.
How many playoff wins does Gibson have in the past like 7 years? His last playoffs he had a 3.6 GAA and a .889 save percentage.
Goalies have played well on bad teams before. There is no reason to pay for a goalie that has looked like hot garbage, regardless of the team he is on.


Jarry has only won 2 playoff games, never won a series, and is either hurt or unreliable in the biggest moments. What has he proven? When's the last time Jarry has stolen a game for the team or come up clutch? Yeah our defense is complete trash, but Anaheim literally doesn't defend. They're also tanking while were fighting for a playoff spot. I wouldn't trade for Gibson, not worth it for what it would cost. But in no way is Jarry better than him. It's far from ludicrous majority of people would take Gibson over Jarry and it's not even close.
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Mar. 11, 2023 at 6:12 p.m.
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As a predators fan, i am a huge fan of the granlund trade. He is your problem now
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Mar. 11, 2023 at 6:12 p.m.
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Quoting: pensfan21
Jarry has only won 2 playoff games, never won a series, and is either hurt or unreliable in the biggest moments. What has he proven? When's the last time Jarry has stolen a game for the team or come up clutch? Yeah our defense is complete trash, but Anaheim literally doesn't defend. They're also tanking while were fighting for a playoff spot. I wouldn't trade for Gibson, not worth it for what it would cost. But in no way is Jarry better than him. It's far from ludicrous majority of people would take Gibson over Jarry and it's not even close.


They are called ducks fans and yinzers that want John Gibson because he’s a hometown guy. Stats and analytics prove Jarry is better. Jarry has the better GSAA, which proves he’s better. The pens don’t really defend either.
Mar. 11, 2023 at 6:13 p.m.
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As a predators fan, i am a huge fan of the granlund trade. He is your problem now


He literally just scored a goal for us and has actually looked decent.
Mar. 11, 2023 at 8:57 p.m.
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The value of a workhorse #1 goalie will forever be underrated on ACGM.


Only by the clueless, as this thread proves.
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Mar. 12, 2023 at 10:25 a.m.
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They are called ducks fans and yinzers that want John Gibson because he’s a hometown guy. Stats and analytics prove Jarry is better. Jarry has the better GSAA, which proves he’s better. The pens don’t really defend either.


Adin Hill has better stats than Vasilevsky this season. You think Hill is a better goalie?
Mar. 12, 2023 at 2:57 p.m.
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Adin Hill has better stats than Vasilevsky this season. You think Hill is a better goalie?


Not even close to comparable. Comparing a backup playing in like half the games to Vasy. Must be a troll
Mar. 12, 2023 at 3:02 p.m.
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Not even close to comparable. Comparing a backup playing in like half the games to Vasy. Must be a troll


You said the GSAA proves he's better. As if that stat and that stat alone is proof. Vanececk has a better GSAA than Vasilevsky, only has played 8 less games then him (less than the gap between Jarry and Gibson, Gibson has played in 11 more). You think he's better than Vasilevsky as well? Vasilevsky is ranked 18 so you think he's the 18th best goalie? Clearly Jarry having a better GSAA than Gibson doesn't make him better.
Mar. 12, 2023 at 3:08 p.m.
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You said the GSAA proves he's better. As if that stat and that stat alone is proof. Vanececk has a better GSAA than Vasilevsky, only has played 8 less games then him (less than the gap between Jarry and Gibson, Gibson has played in 11 more). You think he's better than Vasilevsky as well? Vasilevsky is ranked 18 so you think he's the 18th best goalie? Clearly Jarry having a better GSAA than Gibson doesn't make him better.


Vasy has a much better GSAA than Hill lol. So that totally debunks that argument. Not to mention he’s a backup.
Vanacek doesnt have a better GSAA than Vasy. Vasy has a 7+ GSAA. Vanacek has a negative GSAA.
Mar. 12, 2023 at 3:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Hockeyfan1234
Vasy has a much better GSAA than Hill lol. So that totally debunks that argument. Not to mention he’s a backup.
Vanacek doesnt have a better GSAA than Vasy. Vasy has a 7+ GSAA. Vanacek has a negative GSAA.


Was looking at GA/G, you got me there. I still think it's unfair to say I'm a troll because I think Gibson is better than Jarry. You can have a different opinion and I understand why you think that, but around the league I think it's clear that Gibson is regarded as a better goalie. There are so many different factors and stats, it can be debated which one matters more. I don't think GSAA is the most important or tells the whole story, but that's another discussion. Jarry's SV% since December is brutal and stats aside just watching him play he has not been good. The injuries are also a concern. The reality is that when the stakes are raised he has either been hurt or not at his best. He has not proven himself in playoffs and has been bad when under more pressure. Now I wouldn't go trading for Gibson, I think his value is being way way overblown on the trade market, but I would take him over Jarry 100%.
Mar. 12, 2023 at 4:02 p.m.
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Was looking at GA/G, you got me there. I still think it's unfair to say I'm a troll because I think Gibson is better than Jarry. You can have a different opinion and I understand why you think that, but around the league I think it's clear that Gibson is regarded as a better goalie. There are so many different factors and stats, it can be debated which one matters more. I don't think GSAA is the most important or tells the whole story, but that's another discussion. Jarry's SV% since December is brutal and stats aside just watching him play he has not been good. The injuries are also a concern. The reality is that when the stakes are raised he has either been hurt or not at his best. He has not proven himself in playoffs and has been bad when under more pressure. Now I wouldn't go trading for Gibson, I think his value is being way way overblown on the trade market, but I would take him over Jarry 100%.


I didn’t say it was a troll to think Gibson is better than Jarry. I said it was a troll to compare Hill to Vasy because one is a backup who has played almost half the games as the other and was still and inaccurate statement. If you don’t understand analytics that’s fine but GSAA (Goals Saved Above Average) is absolutely one of the most important stats to judge a goalie. It is pretty much the equivalent to WAR (Wins Above Replacement) to other sports. It’s not like I’m comparing Jarry to Gibson just this year either. This has been 5 years. If Gibson just had 1 off year, then you’d have a point. But it’s been 5+ years now. Other goalies have been good on bad teams and have good GSAA. For example Stalock plays on a garbage hawks team and has an incredible GSAA
 
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