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Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 16, 2023
Published: Mar. 16, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$950,000
3$950,000
3$950,000
3$950,000
3$950,000
2$950,000
2$950,000
3$950,000
2$950,000
2$950,000
1$950,000
2$950,000
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3$1,250,000
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Reinbacher, David
3$950,000
Perreault, Gabe
3$950,000
Ritchie, Calum
3$950,000
Ziemmer, Koehn
3$950,000
Honzek, Samuel
3$950,000
But, Daniil
3$950,000
Molendyk, Tanner
3$950,000
Dower-Nilsson, Noah
3$950,000
Fisker Molgaard, Oscar
3$950,000
Trades
1.
DET
  1. 2023 1st round pick (NSH)
  2. 2023 1st round pick (EDM)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (NSH)
NSH
  1. 2023 1st round pick (DET)
Additional Details:
#10 for #16, #20 and #48
2.
DET
  1. 2023 1st round pick (NYR)
  2. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (STL)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (STL)
STL
  1. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
#17 for #27, #29, #72 and next years 2nd
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2023
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2024
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25$83,500,000$44,103,055$0$6,190,000$39,396,945
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$1,460,000$1,460,000
LW, C
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NTC
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
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RFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
LW
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$918,333$918,333 (Performance Bonus$1,000,000$1M)
C
RFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$878,333$878,333 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
Ritchie, Calum
$950,000$950,000
Perreault, Gabe
$950,000$950,000
But, Daniil
$950,000$950,000
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
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LW
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C
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$950,000$950,000
C
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$950,000$950,000
LD
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
G
RFA - 3
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 3
Reinbacher, David
$950,000$950,000
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$820,000$820,000 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
RD
RFA
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$950,000$950,000
LD
RFA
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$950,000$950,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD/RD
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UFA - 3
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
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M-NTC
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LD
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Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:12 a.m.
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Quoting: Bannedforlife
The reality is that you guys don't want to give up your 1sts unless you're the one doing the fleecing. Detroit is giving up the premium asset here, and it comes with a steep price.


If the 10OA is so groundbreaking and game changing, why are you moving the pick to begin with? You make no sense.
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:12 a.m.
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Quoting: PhilsWeiner
the difference between the 10 and 16 pick is Oliver Moore and David Reinbacher.

notice how there isn't much of a quality difference there?

we'll keep our picks, and in the meantime, brush up on the draft a bit


If the #10 is worth a top 4 d, why didn't Detroit get Vancouvers first instead of New Yorks? Sounds like you're delusional
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:13 a.m.
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Quoting: Bannedforlife
If the #10 is worth a top 4 d, why didn't Detroit get Vancouvers first instead of New Yorks? Sounds like you're delusional


you... really were dropped on your head.. weren't you?
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:14 a.m.
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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer
If the 10OA is so groundbreaking and game changing, why are you moving the pick to begin with? You make no sense.


If my acgm is so delusional, why did you bother to respond to it in the first place?
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:14 a.m.
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Quoting: PhilsWeiner
you... really were dropped on your head.. weren't you?


Says the guy who traded the #1oa for Chychrun...

Edit: my bad. #1oa ++ for Chych
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:16 a.m.
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Quoting: Bannedforlife
Says the guy who traded the #1oa for Chychrun...


Congrats..? you found an ACGM i made back in October?

you made a bad acgm, got called out for it, and now you're salty and apparently everyone else is bias.
yeah alright...
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:19 a.m.
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If my acgm is so delusional, why did you bother to respond to it in the first place?


you got a hidden talent man..

keep it hidden 🔥🔥🔥
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:19 a.m.
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Quoting: PhilsWeiner
Congrats..? you found an ACGM i made back in October?

you made a bad acgm, got called out for it, and now you're salty and apparently everyone else is bias.
yeah alright...


Both of you have failed to prove that it is bad. You're just irrationally upset at the thought of giving up your firsts unless it's a total fleece job. I bet if i asked you what you thought your #16, #20 and #48 were worth you'd say a top 3 pick.
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:19 a.m.
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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer
you got a hidden talent man..

keep it hidden 🔥🔥🔥


Sick burn
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:24 a.m.
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Quoting: Bannedforlife
Both of you have failed to prove that it is bad. You're just irrationally upset at the thought of giving up your firsts unless it's a total fleece job. I bet if u asked you what you thought your #16, #20 and #48 were worth you'd say a top 3 pick.


i'm not going to keep doing this same song and dance with a known detroit homer.

like mokumboi said, there isn't much of a quality difference between 27OA and 17OA, and the same applies to the 10OA pick and the 16OA pick.
the quality drop off is NOT worth what you've valued in your returns. if nashville wanted to move from 16 to 10, it would cost the pick flip and maybe a 2nd in the 40 range.
what youve essentially done here is completely overvalue your picks.

i said the difference between 10 and 16 is oliver moore and david reinbacher, that quality difference it NOT worth nashville paying you the next two pick we have just to make that 6 spot jump. the players in the 14-16 range aren't much different from those in the 9-11 range.

what of that is such a hard concept to grasp?

your head cannon and fantasies for this draft are far beyond what you've listed here, and st. louis and nashville are much better off keeping their picks.
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:26 a.m.
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Quoting: PhilsWeiner
i'm not going to keep doing this same song and dance with a known detroit homer.

like mokumboi said, there isn't much of a quality difference between 27OA and 17OA, and the same applies to the 10OA pick and the 16OA pick.
the quality drop off is NOT worth what you've valued in your returns. if nashville wanted to move from 16 to 10, it would cost the pick flip and maybe a 2nd in the 40 range.
what youve essentially done here is completely overvalue your picks.

i said the difference between 10 and 16 is oliver moore and david reinbacher, that quality difference it NOT worth nashville paying you the next two pick we have just to make that 6 spot jump. the players in the 14-16 range aren't much different from those in the 9-11 range.

what of that is such a hard concept to grasp?

your head cannon and fantasies for this draft are far beyond what you've listed here, and st. louis and nashville are much better off keeping their picks.


What would you move the 3 picks for?
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:27 a.m.
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What would you move the 3 picks for?


nothing. nothing at all. i'd keep the picks and draft good players from a stacked draft class.

does your brain function properly?
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:28 a.m.
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Quoting: Bannedforlife
What would you move the 3 picks for?


Quoting: PhilsWeiner
i'm not going to keep doing this same song and dance with a known detroit homer.

like mokumboi said, there isn't much of a quality difference between 27OA and 17OA, and the same applies to the 10OA pick and the 16OA pick.
the quality drop off is NOT worth what you've valued in your returns. if nashville wanted to move from 16 to 10, it would cost the pick flip and maybe a 2nd in the 40 range.
what youve essentially done here is completely overvalue your picks.

i said the difference between 10 and 16 is oliver moore and david reinbacher, that quality difference it NOT worth nashville paying you the next two pick we have just to make that 6 spot jump. the players in the 14-16 range aren't much different from those in the 9-11 range.

what of that is such a hard concept to grasp?

your head cannon and fantasies for this draft are far beyond what you've listed here, and st. louis and nashville are much better off keeping their picks.


The jump from 16 to 10 in this draft class is not worth what you’ve offered. That’s the point everyone is trying to make, but that concept is too complicated for you to understand I guess.
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:32 a.m.
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So you wouldn't trade 2 mid round firsts and a second for Connor McDavid. That's how a normally functioning brain works. Got it.
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:33 a.m.
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So you wouldn't trade 2 mid round firsts and a second for Connor McDavid. That's how a normally functioning brain works. Got it.


yeah... now you're just speaking out of the realm of reality.

nice moving of the goalposts.
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:40 a.m.
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yeah... now you're just speaking out of the realm of reality.

nice moving of the goalposts.


You won't say what you think you're picks are worth because you know that you are homer pricing them. Either that or you just don't know what you're talking about. You should log off
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:42 a.m.
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You won't say what you think you're picks are worth because you know that you are homer pricing them. Either that or you just don't know what you're talking about. You should log off


i'm not going to keep doing this same song and dance with a known detroit homer.

like mokumboi said, there isn't much of a quality difference between 27OA and 17OA, and the same applies to the 10OA pick and the 16OA pick.
the quality drop off is NOT worth what you've valued in your returns. if nashville wanted to move from 16 to 10, it would cost the pick flip and maybe a 2nd in the 40 range.
what youve essentially done here is completely overvalue your picks.

i said the difference between 10 and 16 is oliver moore and david reinbacher, that quality difference it NOT worth nashville paying you the next two pick we have just to make that 6 spot jump. the players in the 14-16 range aren't much different from those in the 9-11 range.

what of that is such a hard concept to grasp?

your head cannon and fantasies for this draft are far beyond what you've listed here, and st. louis and nashville are much better off keeping their picks.

-- ill repost this as many times as you need to read it.
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:44 a.m.
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i'm not going to keep doing this same song and dance with a known detroit homer.

like mokumboi said, there isn't much of a quality difference between 27OA and 17OA, and the same applies to the 10OA pick and the 16OA pick.
the quality drop off is NOT worth what you've valued in your returns. if nashville wanted to move from 16 to 10, it would cost the pick flip and maybe a 2nd in the 40 range.
what youve essentially done here is completely overvalue your picks.

i said the difference between 10 and 16 is oliver moore and david reinbacher, that quality difference it NOT worth nashville paying you the next two pick we have just to make that 6 spot jump. the players in the 14-16 range aren't much different from those in the 9-11 range.

what of that is such a hard concept to grasp?

your head cannon and fantasies for this draft are far beyond what you've listed here, and st. louis and nashville are much better off keeping their picks.

-- ill repost this as many times as you need to read it.


you made a stupid comment, got called out for it, and now you're salty and apparently everyone else is bias.
yeah alright...
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:45 a.m.
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you made a stupid comment, got called out for it, and now you're salty and apparently everyone else is bias.
yeah alright...


ill consider this a win
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:46 a.m.
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ill consider this a win


And your prize is the 10th overall pick! Congrats!!!
Mar. 17, 2023 at 2:57 a.m.
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You may want to read this website to realize why everyone is scoffing at what you’re proposing.

https://soundofhockey.com/2022/06/06/examining-the-value-of-nhl-draft-picks/amp/

Please factor in as well that this draft is wide open from around 14-45
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Mar. 17, 2023 at 3:03 a.m.
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Quoting: AC14
You may want to read this website to realize why everyone is scoffing at what you’re proposing.

https://soundofhockey.com/2022/06/06/examining-the-value-of-nhl-draft-picks/amp/

Please factor in as well that this draft is wide open from around 14-45


Oh good, another Blues fan.. Please educate me. What do you think the #16, #20, and #48 pick are worth?
Mar. 17, 2023 at 4:29 a.m.
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Oh boy -- this is a long winded argument huh?

I'm actually going to have to agree with everyone else in the thread, though. These trades are in the extreme favour of Detroit.

User @AC14 provides a pretty good article that values each pick - since you were so worried about what the 10th overall pick would be worth.
It'd be wise to consider other opinions, rather than sticking to what you think is right!
Mar. 17, 2023 at 4:42 a.m.
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Quoting: dougford
Oh boy -- this is a long winded argument huh?

I'm actually going to have to agree with everyone else in the thread, though. These trades are in the extreme favour of Detroit.

User AC14 provides a pretty good article that values each pick - since you were so worried about what the 10th overall pick would be worth.
It'd be wise to consider other opinions, rather than sticking to what you think is right!


Yet another poster who either refuses or doesn't actually know what the #16, #20 and #48 are worth. So I guess I'll have to take a stab at it.

#10 < #16 #20 #48
So... what then? #7 #8 #9 are almost identical value to #10. #5 or #6?
OK. So that must mean that #10 #17 and #40 must be worth even more, right? How much more? Certainly not #1 or #2. So #3? Are we all in agreement? Because I would do that trade all day long. Are we all in agreement? Because I can edit this ACGM as soon as we all agree. Let me know, thanks
Mar. 17, 2023 at 4:47 a.m.
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Quoting: dougford
Oh boy -- this is a long winded argument huh?

I'm actually going to have to agree with everyone else in the thread, though. These trades are in the extreme favour of Detroit.

User AC14 provides a pretty good article that values each pick - since you were so worried about what the 10th overall pick would be worth.
It'd be wise to consider other opinions, rather than sticking to what you think is right!


That article is such trash lol. First of all it was written for the 22 draft, second it values detroits 2 firsts and 2 of their seconds higher than the #2 overall. What a joke.
 
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