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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 19, 2023
Published: Mar. 19, 2023
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Some say Mantha was a bad contract for Wash so I trade for him, some retention on Wash side but get a 3nd rounder in 2023 a prospect and Pezz.

I play for Laffy and Dubois.

Hoffman can go anywhere and for anything, even keep some salary if this helps.

Gally is still a big question mark for next year so I figure he may sit part of the year out which would bring us more space than the 500K$.

Armia buyout wont hurt since Cap should be growing way more in 24-25.

This accelerates drastically the rebuild, and sets up the team even with n 24-25 since we’ll only have Montembault, Mantha and 2 RFAs to sign back.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$7,000,000
8$8,000,000
7$7,800,000
2$1,500,000
2$3,500,000
2$880,000
2$880,000
2$880,000
2$880,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$900,000
1$900,000
1$900,000
1$900,000
1$900,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Smith, Will
3$950,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Mantha, Anthony ($2,000,000 retained)
WSH
  1. Fairbrother, Gianni
  2. Pezzetta, Michael [RFA Rights]
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (MTL)
2.
MTL
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (LAK)
Additional Details:
Edmundson can help the young Defense and push the Offense forward next year with his passing and size plus a quality veteran for less than 2M$ for one year.
CBJ
  1. Edmundson, Joel ($1,750,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Habs get a third from LAK in 2024.
3.
MTL
  1. Lafrenière, Alexis [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Sending Hutson as a big piece of this trade; while hot right now, Habs already have too many small players and need to move some assets to get Laffy.
NYR
  1. Hutson, Lane [Reserve List]
  2. Mysak, Jan
  3. Ylönen, Jesse [RFA Rights]
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
  5. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
3 quality Prospects who can compliment their team, 2nd rounder this year and the 1st conditional from CAL for 2025.
4.
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
WPG
  1. Dach, Kirby
  2. Farrell, Sean [Reserve List]
  3. Norlinder, Mattias
  4. Tuch, Luke [Reserve List]
  5. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
  6. 2023 4th round pick (VGK)
5.
MTL
  1. 2024 7th round pick (BOS)
ARI
  1. Hoffman, Mike ($2,000,000 retained)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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Logo of the MTL
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the CGY
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
2024
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the COL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the LAK
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the SJS
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the BOS
2025
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$79,357,499$1,170,000$4,195,000$4,142,501
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
UFA - 8
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$850,000$850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,800,000$7,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,925,000$1,925,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$828,333$828,333
LD/RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 2

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Mar. 19, 2023 at 8:59 a.m.
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You've overpaid acquiring LAF and Dubois.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:01 a.m.
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Jeebus... Lane Hutson has ANOTHER 2 goals last night is the hockey east final... He's high risk high reward, but he's not a guy you trade. You cannot teach offensive instincts like he has. IMO in 10 years he will be the consensus best player picked in the 2022 draft.

Edit: To be clear I would rather trade Guhle than Hutson and there is no way I'm trading Guhle.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:04 a.m.
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Way too much for Dubois and Laf. Not sure if I would move Hutson for Laf 1 for 1 right now. Also don’t know what Laffy has done to earn 7 million
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:10 a.m.
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Edited Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:16 a.m.
Quoting: jonh514
Jeebus... Lane Hutson has ANOTHER 2 goals last night is the hockey east final... He's high risk high reward, but he's not a guy you trade. You cannot teach offensive instincts like he has. IMO in 10 years he will be the consensus best player picked in the 2022 draft.

Edit: To be clear I would rather trade Guhle than Hutson and there is no way I'm trading Guhle.


Understood, but again, you say he may become the steal, he may also not be. His size isn’t an issue at the college level, but at some point you need a real first line and need to give to get back players.

Habs have too many small players and need bigger defense to clear the net. We have upcoming players, hence we need to make a choice.

You indicated him being the best of the 22 draft in 10 years… I’m moving him so the Habs don’t need to wait 10 years for a better team, and also think he may be injured being shoved around after two or three years in the NHL going up against players twice his size.

Unless they want to move him upfront, his injury risks are high at this point. Trade him while he’s hot.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:12 a.m.
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Quoting: Big_Papa20
Way too much for Dubois and Laf. Not sure if I would move Hutson for Laf 1 for 1 right now. Also don’t know what Laffy has done to earn 7 million


I’m overpaying here, he may really get 4-5M$ per year but I’m just putting up numbers for a long term contract for him. If he plays with Dubois and Mantha we get our French connection lineup we’ve been missing for so many years. He may suddenly be worth it with those two supporting him.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:22 a.m.
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Understood, but again, you say he may become the steal, he may also not be. His size isn’t an issue at the college level, but at some point you need a real first line and need to give to get back players.

Habs have too many small players and need bigger defense to clear the net. We have upcoming players, hence we need to make a choice.

You indicated him being the best of the 22 draft in 10 years… I’m moving him so the Habs don’t need to wait 10 years for a better team, and also think he may be injured being shoved around after two or three years in the NHL going up against players twice his size.

Unless they want to move him upfront, his injury risks are high at this point. Trade him while he’s hot.


You severely over paid for both Laf and Dubois, Laf gets a similar return to Dach (a mid to late 1st) Dubois likely similar to the Horvat deal (2024 1st top 10 protection + Mailloux + Armia or Dvorak). Also no way Caufield is only getting 7 years or Laf is getting more than a 3.5 mil bridge deal.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:26 a.m.
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Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame
Understood, but again, you say he may become the steal, he may also not be. His size isn’t an issue at the college level, but at some point you need a real first line and need to give to get back players.

Habs have too many small players and need bigger defense to clear the net. We have upcoming players, hence we need to make a choice.

You indicated him being the best of the 22 draft in 10 years… I’m moving him so the Habs don’t need to wait 10 years for a better team, and also think he may be injured being shoved around after two or three years in the NHL going up against players twice his size.

Unless they want to move him upfront, his injury risks are high at this point. Trade him while he’s hot.


Size does not matter in the modern NHL. Case in point: Slafkovsky is injured. Xhekaj is injured.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:29 a.m.
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Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame
Understood, but again, you say he may become the steal, he may also not be. His size isn’t an issue at the college level, but at some point you need a real first line and need to give to get back players.

Habs have too many small players and need bigger defense to clear the net. We have upcoming players, hence we need to make a choice.

You indicated him being the best of the 22 draft in 10 years… I’m moving him so the Habs don’t need to wait 10 years for a better team, and also think he may be injured being shoved around after two or three years in the NHL going up against players twice his size.

Unless they want to move him upfront, his injury risks are high at this point. Trade him while he’s hot.


Do you realize he scored the Golden goal last night in the Hockey East championship? He's the rookie of the year. He might actually win the Hobey Baker.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:45 a.m.
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Jets would obviously take that.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 10:01 a.m.
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Real risk trading Hutson.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 10:39 a.m.
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Jets would obviously take that.


Windjammer would say : WPG could get more at the TDL 😂
Mar. 19, 2023 at 12:02 p.m.
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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy
Windjammer would say : WPG could get more at the TDL 😂


Honestly think this deadline haul for Dubois idea is a fallacy but whatever, people can think what they want.

Like what kind of deadline trade in recent years has seen A+/- or B+ prospect(s) traded along with a 1st round pick? I can't think of any off the top of my head, maybe if I start doing some research I could find one or two but how far back were they and one or two trades don't set a precedent.

If Dubois gets traded at next years deadline(which would be a terrible move by Chevy to wait that long but that's a different topic) it'll be for a pretty standard return similar to what Copp, Stastny, Hayes, Tarasenko, Horvat, O'Reilly, etc went for.

Also I don't think a summer trade will improve the return for the Jets by all that much, a bit but not by some massive amount but I personally think Dubois should be traded before the draft to maximize whatever the return will be and reduce the risk of PLD going to arbitration which will complicate things for the Jets, theres also the chance of an offersheet though that's unlikely.

Most here will argue and quibble over the difference in value between this suggested roster player or these two suggested prospects but ultimately most of them are pretty similar value.

Can't wait for Dubois to be traded just to see who was right all along... 😆
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 12:10 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Honestly think this deadline haul for Dubois idea is a fallacy but whatever, people can think what they want.

Like what kind of deadline trade in recent years has seen A+/- or B+ prospect(s) traded along with a 1st round pick? I can't think of any off the top of my head, maybe if I start doing some research I could find one or two but how far back were they and one or two trades don't set a precedent.

If Dubois gets traded at next years deadline(which would be a terrible move by Chevy to wait that long but that's a different topic) it'll be for a pretty standard return similar to what Copp, Stastny, Hayes, Tarasenko, Horvat, O'Reilly, etc went for.

Also I don't think a summer trade will improve the return for the Jets by all that much, a bit but not by some massive amount but I personally think Dubois should be traded before the draft to maximize whatever the return will be and reduce the risk of PLD going to arbitration which will complicate things for the Jets, theres also the chance of an offersheet though that's unlikely.

Most here will argue and quibble over the difference in value between this suggested roster player or these two suggested prospects but ultimately most of them are pretty similar value.

Can't wait for Dubois to be traded just to see who was right all along... 😆


If Dubois gets traded to MTL at the draft it’s gonna be around FLO 2023 1st round pick + a prospect or a roster player IMO
I would personally wait, if he doesn’t sign here it sucks but not a big deal. MTL really need to finish at the bottom of the league for a couple years. Not only 2
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 12:23 p.m.
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If Hab fans must have Laffy, here is the price: both 2023 1st round picks, 2024 1st round pick, plus Xhekaj. You don't want to pay the price, pound sand or try your offer sheet nonsense.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 12:41 p.m.
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Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame
I’m overpaying here, he may really get 4-5M$ per year but I’m just putting up numbers for a long term contract for him. If he plays with Dubois and Mantha we get our French connection lineup we’ve been missing for so many years. He may suddenly be worth it with those two supporting him.


We aren't missing a French connection. We've actively hurt ourselves because of it and pursuing it should never be an objective.
We traded Sergachev for Drouin. That hasn't worked out so well.
If we didn't reach for Leblanc and took Kreider, maybe we even still have Price.
The recycling of French coaches didn't do us any favors either.

You can still have quality hometown players without reaching or overpaying for them, but it has to be coincidental without consideration beyond their ability as a player.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 2:04 p.m.
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Mantha is a bad contract but the point of moving it would be to get off of the money, retaining 2m they would be better off just buying him out. A 3rd and 25yo "prospect" Pezzetta isn't worth it to do so, especially to a team like MTL that has a ton of cap and can afford to take his entire contract
Mar. 19, 2023 at 2:40 p.m.
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I'll add my voice to the chorus, for what it's worth: you've overpaid severely for DuBois and LaFreniere. But I understand the motivation.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 2:44 p.m.
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I'll add my voice to the chorus, for what it's worth: you've overpaid severely for DuBois and LaFreniere. But I understand the motivation.


Hutson & Dach are as close to untouchable as any player not named McDavid or Crosby gets.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 3:05 p.m.
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We aren't missing a French connection. We've actively hurt ourselves because of it and pursuing it should never be an objective.
We traded Sergachev for Drouin. That hasn't worked out so well.
If we didn't reach for Leblanc and took Kreider, maybe we even still have Price.
The recycling of French coaches didn't do us any favors either.

You can still have quality hometown players without reaching or overpaying for them, but it has to be coincidental without consideration beyond their ability as a player.

Habs have Roy coming … that’s enough French plus they already have Savard & Piñard and Matheson who speaks French
Besides Habs are owned by an Anglo who hired an American president who hired an Anglo Montrealer as GM, don’t think they are so obsessed with a player’s mother tongue being French
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 3:07 p.m.
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Quoting: WhoCares_ItsAFantasyGame
I’m overpaying here, he may really get 4-5M$ per year but I’m just putting up numbers for a long term contract for him. If he plays with Dubois and Mantha we get our French connection lineup we’ve been missing for so many years. He may suddenly be worth it with those two supporting him.


Don't know if the Rangers could afford 4.3m offer sheet, which would only cost a 2nd rounder. Gee, you've put a lot of pressure on the young French Canadian lad by paying him so much and giving up so much bye acquiring him. Mantha? It's better to get a good player regardless of ethnicity......Gee, I'll take the French connection line of Lafleur, Lafleur and Shutt.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.
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