Horvat's having his outlier season this year and Jake's still out producing him. You can make the argument for position but Jake should at least get equal to Horvat imo, he's the better player

Plays a less valuable position, and is not outscoring Horvat. You can argue points, but Horvat is about to drop a 50 goal season. I don't care if Jake has 65 points in 68 games, the 50 goals is worth more

Guentzel for an entire season is worth more than 25 games of horvat

He's also better, one outlier year aside.

Also, Pittsburgh isn't selling

I think Canes should include Heimosalmi personally. That Islanders pick at the time of the trade and probably to be expected was mid teens. Carolina's pick should be mid twenties.

You don't make a trade involving a pick based on where the value is at the time, but where it will be when the pick is made. Isles pick should be late teens early 20s. That's more than comparable enough

Either way I would expect the Penguins want a bit more for a player they likely don't want to move.

Considering where they are, their cap situation, and the fact they need a complete rebuild anyway... how can you say they don't want to move him? I'm using the idea of a Guentzel trade because a Pens fan on here suggested it.

They may need a compete rebuild but as long as Crosby, Malkin and Letang are on the team they are going to try and compete. They suggest trading Guentzel because he is their best trade chip, doesn't mean they need to trade him. If they were going to market him I think they get more than this return. A pending UFA who probably won't resign because of where the team is and a late first probably don't cut it. You used the comparison to Beau and Turbo being better, it's true but Beau is younger and under team control for longer. I just feel they need at least two pieces that can possibly be part of the future and Heimosalmi would be who I think Canes can afford to give up and someone the Pens would probably like.

Horvat A) isn't going to score 50 goals this year and B) has never played at this level. He eclipsed 60 points ONCE before this year.

Guentzel has played at a 30+ goal pace for the past 5 years and has 2 40 goal seasons.

And you're getting Guentzel for a whole year.

Braindead take.

You think Bo is gonna score 14 goals in his last 11 games? LOL He previous career high is 31 goals. Jake tops that regularly. No chance.

I don't care if he's done it before, you pay for what he's doing this year. Horvat is not worth a 1st, Raty and Beauvillier in any sane world. But he got it because of his production this year. Ignoring that is beyond ignorance.

Braindead comment

The best part about this is that you think he's playing at a 50 goals pace, which he isn't. Beauvillier has been playing better than him since the trade.

And by your own logic, Guentzel should be worth more because A) he's actually been better than Horvat this year (better even-strength scorer and better PPG pace), and B) you're getting him for a full season.

Ignoring that is beyond ignorance.

Yes, let's just ignore the year he got traded in. That makes complete sense.

If we ignore a players best year, Guentzel has only broken the 60 point mark once! It doesn't make sense to ignore a players best year when using comparable trades. Horvat wasn't worth what he went for, but he's worth more than Guentzel.

Horvat has been worlds better than Beauvillier. Trying to argue that just shows me you need to go find another sport. Horvat has become a genuine 2 way force on the Island. His scoring has dropped off, but New York is infamously where offense goes to die. Using counting stats to try and justify this take is ignorance beyond belief. Using your logic, we should just ignore Guentzel's entire career because he's played next to Crosby. How braindead are you?

I'm not ignoring anything. He isn't hitting 50 goals this year, and his career high is 36 goals. Jake has broken the 60 point mark 3 times and the 40 goal mark twice. Furthermore since you want to be completely disingenuous in Jake's last 5 seasons -
318 games, 153 goals and 322 points.
In Bo's
345 games, 135 goals, and 268 points.

Bo wasn't going to shoot 22% all season and definitely not the rest of his contract.

I don't care what Bo had done over the last 5 seasons. At the time of the trade, Horvat was on pace for 50 goals. That is what Lou traded for, a 50 goal scorer. Since you want to include his entire career stats, Paul Stastny for Guentzel and a 1st is a lot farer... c'mon man