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Created by: Hurricanes_WPG
Team: 2023-24 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 20, 2023
Published: Mar. 20, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Perhaps the single most stacked D-core in the NHL. Miller is meant to be a long-term Skjei replacement if he walks after 2023-24. There's also some (though might not be as much as I have here if players take more money) deadline cap to go make a move if need be, plus Svech coming back partway through the season.

Drury and Rees are interchangeable at 4C, they're both young players who have performed well in the AHL over the past couple of years. 21 year old Vasily Ponomarev is also a candidate for that 4C role
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$5,790,000
2$1,350,000
1$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,500,000
2$3,000,000
2$2,200,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Miller, K'Andre$5,790,000
2024 1st round pick
2024 3rd round pick
Trades
BOS
  1. Honka, Anttoni
  2. Suzuki, Ryan
Additional Details:
Saw this on a Boston AGM with Bokk instead of Honka
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$71,608,584$450,000$500,000$11,891,416
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$8,460,250$8,460,250
C
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
RFA - 1
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,820,000$4,820,000
C
UFA - 7
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RW
RFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$839,167$839,167
C
RFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,280,000$5,280,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 4
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$5,250,000$5,250,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,025,000$4,025,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 5
$5,790,000$5,790,000
LD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$800,000$800,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$7,750,000$7,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
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$925,000$925,000
C
RFA - 1

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Mar. 20, 2023 at 12:00 p.m.
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No thank you. Neither of those pieces are of much interest. Rather just have picks than them.
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Mar. 20, 2023 at 12:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Gofnut999
No thank you. Neither of those pieces are of much interest. Rather just have picks than them.


When I saw this AGM I didn't think it was a great trade from Boston's perspective either but the basic concept of Hall for futures intrigues me.
Mar. 20, 2023 at 12:15 p.m.
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OS Miller at 6.4 or whatever the max for 1st and 3rd is and then trade Skjei for the same first 😂
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Mar. 20, 2023 at 12:17 p.m.
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I don't think there's a world where the Rangers don't match this. It's obviously a minor inconvenience to have him at that cap hit for only 3 years when something along the lines of the Dobson bridge is likely more comparable for him, but at the same time, this still leaves them a couple more RFA years at the end where they can extend him so it's not the end of the world. You offer something like 1 x $8, then all of the sudden you'll get them considering it.
Mar. 20, 2023 at 12:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Hurricanes_WPG
When I saw this AGM I didn't think it was a great trade from Boston's perspective either but the basic concept of Hall for futures intrigues me.


Honestly think there is a good chance he is traded for futures. And it will likely be a B+ prospect and a pick. But this does nothing for me.
Mar. 20, 2023 at 12:32 p.m.
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Good luck with the offer sheet nonsense.
Mar. 20, 2023 at 12:51 p.m.
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Nikishkin is Skjei replacement
Mar. 20, 2023 at 1:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
I don't think there's a world where the Rangers don't match this. It's obviously a minor inconvenience to have him at that cap hit for only 3 years when something along the lines of the Dobson bridge is likely more comparable for him, but at the same time, this still leaves them a couple more RFA years at the end where they can extend him so it's not the end of the world. You offer something like 1 x $8, then all of the sudden you'll get them considering it.


The world where the Rangers don't have the cap to match this is one where they overextend to keep their deadline additions or where the raises to Laf and Chytil eat up too much of their cap. This is wishful thinking on my part, for sure, and realistically the Rangers will probably do whatever it takes to keep Miller, but especially if Lafreniere gets 3+MM (which would be second-round compensation should another, perhaps Francophone team offer it to him), this puts the Rangers in a bad spot whether they match or not.

I really think that teams should start using offer-sheets as weapons against teams that are up against the cap.
Mar. 20, 2023 at 1:04 p.m.
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OS Miller at 6.4 or whatever the max for 1st and 3rd is and then trade Skjei for the same first 😂


I'd honestly be really disappointed if Skjei only returned a 1st right now. Dude has been absolutely spectacular since he arrived in Raleigh
Mar. 20, 2023 at 1:08 p.m.
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I'd honestly be really disappointed if Skjei only returned a 1st right now. Dude has been absolutely spectacular since he arrived in Raleigh


Wasn’t sure about how he was doing there, just said a first check that’s what CAR traded away for him
Mar. 20, 2023 at 1:11 p.m.
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Wasn’t sure about how he was doing there, just said a first check that’s what CAR traded away for him


Skjei is one of like 15 defensemen in the NHL in double-digit goals
Mar. 20, 2023 at 1:19 p.m.
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Skjei is one of like 15 defensemen in the NHL in double-digit goals


Gawd damn you’re missing the joke
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Mar. 20, 2023 at 1:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Hurricanes_WPG
The world where the Rangers don't have the cap to match this is one where they overextend to keep their deadline additions or where the raises to Laf and Chytil eat up too much of their cap. This is wishful thinking on my part, for sure, and realistically the Rangers will probably do whatever it takes to keep Miller, but especially if Lafreniere gets 3+MM (which would be second-round compensation should another, perhaps Francophone team offer it to him), this puts the Rangers in a bad spot whether they match or not.

I really think that teams should start using offer-sheets as weapons against teams that are up against the cap.


Oh don't get me wrong, I completely agree that teams should be using OS's, it's just not something that we're going to see a lot of any time soon. The only way I could see them becoming a semi-regular thing is if the league went to an NBA-style, multi tiered salary cap. When you look at the only two successful OS's since 1997, they were Penner and Kotkaniemi, both of whom were significantly overpaid, and both of who were (are) bottom 6 forwards.

It's funny though, and semi-off topic, but I've gone down the OS rabbit hole. I remember the Weber/ROR/Aho/Shanahan/Stevens ones, but I forgot all about the crazy Sergei Federov one, and that it was Carolina who made the offer. It was obviously pre-cap, but it's wacky $h1t like this that led to the cap-Carolina offered him a front loaded contract, with a $12 million bonus for reaching the conference finals, which Detroit matched, and ended up costing them $28 million(!!!) in '97-'98 (He only played 21 regular season games that year, because he held out until Feb, when he signed the OS). The Wings ended up winning the Cup, so I'm sure it was fine, but what a wild one.

As a Ducks fan, the craziest thing about the Penner offersheet was that it saved Burke from himself, but he still managed to turn around and f**k it up. With the 1st+2nd+3rd in the position they were, the picks were Tyler Myers, Justin Schultz, and Travis Hamonic. Instead, he ended up with Jake Gardiner (traded for the corpse of Franky Beauchemin), Schultz (did not sign, ended up signing in Edmonton), and Marc Andre Bergeron (Who played a whopping 116 minutes with the Ducks).

So yeah, again I totally agree that there should be more OS's, and that it would absolutely bring a heck of a lot more excitement to the offseason, but a Miller offersheet is higher than this.
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Mar. 20, 2023 at 2:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
I don't think there's a world where the Rangers don't match this. It's obviously a minor inconvenience to have him at that cap hit for only 3 years when something along the lines of the Dobson bridge is likely more comparable for him, but at the same time, this still leaves them a couple more RFA years at the end where they can extend him so it's not the end of the world. You offer something like 1 x $8, then all of the sudden you'll get them considering it.


I don’t think there’s a world where people actually do an OS at this point. Happened a few times and bit the GM in the a$$ when Aho signed and was matched(KK). That being said, Miller would still need to sign it, we watched marner turn down 1-3 OS for less $ to be in Toronto. Going to need to be higher. 8x7 maybe does it(if someone would do it).
Mar. 20, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
It's funny though, and semi-off topic, but I've gone down the OS rabbit hole. I remember the Weber/ROR/Aho/Shanahan/Stevens ones, but I forgot all about the crazy Sergei Federov one, and that it was Carolina who made the offer. It was obviously pre-cap, but it's wacky $h1t like this that led to the cap-Carolina offered him a front loaded contract, with a $12 million bonus for reaching the conference finals, which Detroit matched, and ended up costing them $28 million(!!!) in '97-'98 (He only played 21 regular season games that year, because he held out until Feb, when he signed the OS). The Wings ended up winning the Cup, so I'm sure it was fine, but what a wild one.

As a Ducks fan, the craziest thing about the Penner offersheet was that it saved Burke from himself, but he still managed to turn around and f**k it up. With the 1st+2nd+3rd in the position they were, the picks were Tyler Myers, Justin Schultz, and Travis Hamonic. Instead, he ended up with Jake Gardiner (traded for the corpse of Franky Beauchemin), Schultz (did not sign, ended up signing in Edmonton), and Marc Andre Bergeron (Who played a whopping 116 minutes with the Ducks).


I remember hearing that the Fedorov OS was just because Peter Karmanos hated Mike Ilitch, hence the massive bonuses for reaching the conference finals. Karmanos knew that Carolina wasn't going to make the ECF any time soon, and that Detroit was stacked and would probably make it to the WCF, so he gave Fedorov a massive offer that would have the below .500 Hurricanes not pay him very much but the top-tier Wings pay through the nose.

Also I don't remember Beauchemin being that bad in the early 2010s for the Ducks. I thought he was good for those few years
 
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