With Dvorak's knee injury and Mailloux's character issues I would think neither are even slightly interesting to True North.

And of course you say no to this extremely overpay offer

I didn't say no. I said Mailloux and Dvorak are of no interest or value to the Jets.

Dvorak with a serious knee injury has no value obviously and Mailloux just isn't something True North would even look at.

That looks pretty realistic.

Between this summer and the trade deadline, there has been a pretty consistent market set for star players by trades like Fiala, Debrincat, Meier, Chychrun, and Hronek. It's a 1st as a center piece and 1-3 other B/C level pieces. (Ignoring unlikely conditional 1sts)

Dvorak probably doesn't have much value, but Montreal would need to move out redundant cap, and Winnipeg would need a replacement. Winnipeg often has to acquire players with term and no trade protection because players don't willingly want to go there (it's cold). So while most teams might not want to take the 2 remaining years of Dvorak, they might value adding a middle 6 center with term.

The first time around, Columbus couldn't get a package of top assets for Dubois, and he likely had more value at that time. They had to settle for swapping him for another young player who wasn't a fit into their original team. Laine clearly wasn't their first choice. I can't imagine Winnipeg will have anymore luck trading Dubois.

With that said, they could set a higher price for Montreal because they know be will sign long term there, and threaten to move him elsewhere. Montreal could call their bluff, but there would be a small chance that Dubois ends up liking it where he is traded to and never hits the open market where Montreal can get him "for free".

As a Habs fan, this is an overpay: 2 top prospects plus a mid 1st rounder for PLD when we could sign him for free 12 months later.

It's clear that Montreal is his #1 choice and that there's little chance that he signs with WPG.

For Dubois, I'd give up Josh Anderson (who's locked in for 4 years at a reasonable price) plus our early '23 2nd rounder and a B level prospect. WPG might look elsewhere but not sure WPG will get full value from the other 30 teams given that Montreal is his #1 choice. As much as I'd love having PLD, we've already got Suzuki, Dach and Beck so it's not like this is a glaring need. I'd throw in Dvorak if WPG wants to take on his contract, but not sure that they'd want him. Habs are not going overpay just to deal with the risk that WPG trades him somewhere in '23 and he likes it and signs long term.

Fiala trade was Faber + a mid 1st, Chychrun trade was a conditional 1st, a conditional 2nd and a 2nd 4 drafts from now, Meier trade was basically a conditional 1st and a conditional 2nd for Meier with a lot of other nonsense thrown in. Hronek was a conditional 1st and what equates to a 3rd when you remove the 4th going to the Sharks to upgrade it.

This proposal is basically 2 1sts (Mailloux is a former 1st and his value has not dropped) + 2nd + roster player + 6th. Similar value to the above trades would be the 2024 1st (conditional) + Mailloux + Dvorak, at least that is in the same ballpark.

Take out Beck, Mailloux and add like Engstrom

No lol

Meier got equivalent of 3 first round picks when you look at Shakir 2023 first and 2024 second with zetterlund. Florida is in the playoff race now and sits at around 17 ovr Mailloux is definitely dropped due to what he's done. So if we reevaluate this trade it's a 2023 first 2 prospects around a 2nd in value and Dvorak who is less than a second. That is around 2 and a bit firsts value wise which is on par with what horvat got. If you want to be stingy and lose Dubois that's fine by me just don't come crying saying he's not worth it when every 3rd mtl agm includes Dubois.

then let PLD go to MTL for free a year later

That won't happen lol

Honestly, I'm more interested in seeing what peoples opinions of what other teams would pay for PLD this offseason. This whole WPG fans telling MTL fans what they have to pay and MTL fans telling WPG fans what they're getting dialogue is kind of moot.

See what other teams fans are willing to do and we'll realistically get what MTL might be willing to do and WPG may have to accept.

I've seen 2023 first Chesley and mcm from the caps for Dubois with an extension that is better than here as well

With extension is the important piece there. Dubois's entire value hangs on whoever can get him signing an extension. Lets say for argument, Dubois doesn't want to sign anywhere long term, until free agency. What happens now....whats the value WASH would be willing to offer in that scenario?

Let's say that an extension is in place what would mtl offer to match this offer?

Nothing. If an extension is in place with PLD and WASH, why would MTL offer anything? The deal is already in place. Teams cannot compete against eachother in contract extensions with another teams player. The only reason WAS could negotiate a contract would be if WPG allowed them for the purpose of a trade. WPG can't then leverage multiple teams fighting for a contract extension. Either its a sign and trade or WPG trades the PLD's rights and that team gets to negotiate with him directly. You can't have it both ways.

You also didn't answer my question...

Washington may be out then but can still expect horvat price as a minimum first young, roster player and good a-/b prospect

Why can they expect that? Just because Horvat got that? Isles paid that price because they felt they could resign him. WASH would not have that same confidence anymore. Not saying the value couldn't end up being similar but there is no guarantee that it will either.

Take out Beck and add a different prospect.

I think Mailloux would fit in just fine with Chevaldayoffs character issues tbh,

Nah take out Beck and leave Mailloix and it’s a fair deal

Bruh Meier didn’t get the equivalent to 3 first you maroon… lol. He basically got a conditional 1st (going to be a late first), a former first and a 2nd.

2023 first, 2020 first in Shakir and 2024 second with conditions to become a first with zetterlund. All 3 of those groups result in a 1st in value. Just because the ranges are different doesn't take away that they are firsts. Sj could easily package zetterlund and nj 2024 second with minimal assets also included to get a pick in the 26-32 range.

Zetterlund is a bottom 6 forward.. he’s worth a 4th rounder by himself. It was a conditional 1st, a former late 1st rounder and a 2nd