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Fair PLD trade

Created by: Campabee
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 21, 2023
Published: Mar. 21, 2023
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PLD trade happens in the 2023 offseason
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$950,000
2$850,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$8,250,000
8$7,750,000
2$950,000
2$950,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Before you go saying that the trade is not even cause Horvat is older and a UFA, he was also retained so that offsets the age/UFA status difference.

Mailloux is a former 1st rounder who has had off ice issues but has worked to rectify the issues. Raty has had on ice issues since being drafted but has turned that around this year.

Dvorak like Beauvillier is a good middle 6 cap offset/replacement player.
WPG
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Mailloux, Logan
  3. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
1st is top 10 protected

trade is exactly the same as the Canucks got for Horvat

1st with protection = 1st with protection
Mailloux = Raty
Dvorak = Beauvillier
2.
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ANA
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Armia, Joel
  3. Edmundson, Joel
  4. Hoffman, Mike
Additional Details:
Traded anywhere in the offseason
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$63,646,666$1,170,000$4,275,000$19,853,334
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,750,000$7,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
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$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 3
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$950,000$950,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
$8,250,000$8,250,000
C
UFA - 8
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$885,000$885,000 (Performance Bonus$80,000$80K)
C
RFA - 3
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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$950,000$950,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
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$950,000$950,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$828,333$828,333
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1

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Mar. 21, 2023 at 3:07 p.m.
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Mallouix is not close to Raty. Habs fans overrating their prospects as usual. Raty was around top 50 per most sources, meanwhile I haven't seen mallouix top 100 ANYWHERE
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Mar. 21, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
Just to cherry pick that "no team is giving up a top 10 pick" part, Ottawa did it last year for Debrincat (and a high 2nd, and a 3rd).

As for the "bad" dudes that you listed off...You know what...Deangelo is probably the closest comp that can come out of this. He fell in his draft year because he's a donkey, continued to be a donkey, and was inevitably traded for a 2nd round pick a couple of years later (Before being traded again a year later as a minor piece in the Stepan trade). The main difference there is that at no point did the league commish say "He's ineligible to play".

Let's not go crazy here and try to compare Matthews mooning a security guard to somebody sharing nudies with an entire group of people without consent. It ain't even close.


1. Your right my bad I thought it was protected

2. and 3. Matthews tried to break into the security guards car before he mooned her, IMO he had nefarious intentions but no one really knows what his intentions were but him. Setting his intentions aside he admitted to trying to break into the car and said the reason being was to scare her and he laughed about it as he explained his intentions (once again violence + intimidation = terrorism). That is equal to or worse than just embarrassing someone, to use intimidation and violence to scare another human being.
Mar. 21, 2023 at 3:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
Why wouldn't the Jets touch Mailloux with a 10 foot pole? He isn't the first player/prospect to have legal issues, would you trade for Matthews after what he did and admitted to, Of course you would!

Dvorak has an injury that is the same as Svechnikov's both had season ending surgery but for whatever reason Dvorak is a pariah, talk about a double standard!


1. Which part of “ineligible to play” do you not understand
2. That’s like comparing an injured Crosby to an injured Josh Anderson, one’s a superstar and the other is an irrelevant entity
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Mar. 21, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.
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Quoting: YTSnipeCity
fair but i think no matter what happens mtl comes out with the W. Either they wait it out and get PLD for no assets, in which they can continue to rebuild, or they trade for him and go into a more win now mode.


or he's traded to a contender and resigns there
Mar. 21, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
1. Which part of “ineligible to play” do you not understand
2. That’s like comparing an injured Crosby to an injured Josh Anderson, one’s a superstar and the other is an irrelevant entity


Don't get them started on anderson they think he's more valuable than crosby
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Mar. 21, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
1. Which part of “ineligible to play” do you not understand
2. That’s like comparing an injured Crosby to an injured Josh Anderson, one’s a superstar and the other is an irrelevant entity


1. Ineligible to play this year not necessarily next year, lets just go on the assumption that he is cleared to play
2. Player skill has nothing to do with how an injury affects their value, which is all that was being discussed. If before the injury Dvorak was valued at a 1st and now his value is a 2nd, then Svechnikov's value based solely on his injury being the exact same should decrease proportionately ie if he was valued at 2 1sts before his injury his value should not be a 1st and 2nd. However that is not what is being said what is being said is that Dvorak has no value now that he is injured, meaning that if his value went from 1st to nothing where as Svechnikov's value has not changed strictly based on injury. That is just complete and utter BS, if one player's value is diminished due to injury than all players with the same injuries have their value diminished proportionately.
Mar. 21, 2023 at 4:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
1. Ineligible to play this year not necessarily next year, lets just go on the assumption that he is cleared to play
2. Player skill has nothing to do with how an injury affects their value, which is all that was being discussed. If before the injury Dvorak was valued at a 1st and now his value is a 2nd, then Svechnikov's value based solely on his injury being the exact same should decrease proportionately ie if he was valued at 2 1sts before his injury his value should not be a 1st and 2nd. However that is not what is being said what is being said is that Dvorak has no value now that he is injured, meaning that if his value went from 1st to nothing where as Svechnikov's value has not changed strictly based on injury. That is just complete and utter BS, if one player's value is diminished due to injury than all players with the same injuries have their value diminished proportionately.


1. It’s been two years and he hasn’t been eligible for either year you don’t know what allowing him to play would do to a league’s profits. He’ll never play a second in the nhl.

2. It’s different for elite players because they always comeback strong where players like Dvorak rarely comeback the same from those injuries
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Mar. 21, 2023 at 4:33 p.m.
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just feel bad for winnipeg fans as dubios value just get less and less as he approaches free agency.... since we are not winningnext season why give up so many players and then alwaus rise in the standing next year and lower your pick...montreal has a good chance of finishing top 5 and should get a great player plus ther florida pick could be around 16 as well (where we drafted Guhle and Caufield.. so that could get us another good player. Second rounder you draft a goalie and that is a great draft for montreal without even winning the lottery... Thrn you sign dubois as a free agent if the money is reasonable because we might not need him anymore either is get get a good center in the draft... as we can play dach there as well.. A better idea would be to sign monahan to a one year deal with incentives for games played and then flip him if he is healthy. And remember the habs know what is wrong with monahan so if it is too great a health risk then you dont do it.....Let dubois have another year with a contender.... got to say that something is wrong out there in winnipeg... they always underachieve... Shiefele and wheeler might actually be losers and ehlers and connor are not consistent.... flaw team going out in the first round and that wont make him want to stay there either
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Mar. 21, 2023 at 4:35 p.m.
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1. It’s been two years and he hasn’t been eligible for either year you don’t know what allowing him to play would do to a league’s profits. He’ll never play a second in the nhl.

2. It’s different for elite players because they always comeback strong where players like Dvorak rarely comeback the same from those injuries


1. You don't know that, the league's profit margin will be just fine whether or not Mailloux plays in the NHL. That's just a ridiculous statement.

2. Again this is just you bias, players with the same injuries and prognosis would have the same decrease in value based solely on injuries, if you think they wouldn't I have ocean front property to sell you in Arizona!!! Doesn't matter of they are elite players or replacement level players, if two players have the same injuries and player one's value decreases then so does player two's and vice versa. BTW, I don't think either players values are diminished given that both are expected to return for camp in the fall, it's Windjammer that thinks there is a disproportionate around the league when it comes to Montreal players.
Mar. 21, 2023 at 5:07 p.m.
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Round and round we go with these PLD trade offers...... The truth of the matter is we don't have any realistic valuations yet. Its anyone's guess still. The expected value can still swing drastically based on a multitude of factors still to come. Contract negotiations, draft lottery position, WPG offseason and direction, PLD desire to play in MTL and how public he makes it, etc etc.
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Mar. 21, 2023 at 8:39 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
1. Which part of “ineligible to play” do you not understand


Here we go.

No one thinks Mailloux wont be eligible to play in the NHL and its simply a matter of time before Bettman clears him, the same as a drafted player will be signed. Your reasoning is the same as saying the Habs dont have Bedard until they sign him not draft him. Its another bad faith argument from you

Quoting: IconicHawk
1. It’s been two years and he hasn’t been eligible for either year you don’t know what allowing him to play would do to a league’s profits. He’ll never play a second in the nhl.


What the hell are you even rambling about? He's definitely playing in the NHL, he's lighting up the OHL rn and has nothing but glowing reviews. Parick Kane was actually accused of sexual assault and continued in the nHL. There were no such charges against Mailloux.
Mar. 21, 2023 at 8:54 p.m.
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There is simply no way I see the Habs trading one of their own 1st round picks in the next 3 years. This will be a long rebuild, think 3-5 years, in the toughest division in hockey which seems to be getting stronger as every team is over .500 (except the Sabres might never win a game, again, it seems.)
That protection wont carry over to the 2025 draft and they'd be exposed to giving up a better player than PLD.
A player in PLD, they simply dont need, with Suzuki-Dach, and whomever they draft at center this year between 1-8OA

Then Mailloux who is a legit prospect that is improving all the time and is a massive need on the right side in the Montreal.

It will be either the Florida pick in 2023 or the Flames pick in 2025 which also could be a lottery pick by the way as there is no protection only conditions. The pick can be as high as 2OA.

Hughes has no reason to pay a prime asset for PLD unless he's given a bargain.
Mar. 21, 2023 at 10:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
There is simply no way I see the Habs trading one of their own 1st round picks in the next 3 years. This will be a long rebuild, think 3-5 years, in the toughest division in hockey which seems to be getting stronger as every team is over .500 (except the Sabres might never win a game, again, it seems.)
That protection wont carry over to the 2025 draft and they'd be exposed to giving up a better player than PLD.
A player in PLD, they simply dont need, with Suzuki-Dach, and whomever they draft at center this year between 1-8OA

Then Mailloux who is a legit prospect that is improving all the time and is a massive need on the right side in the Montreal.

It will be either the Florida pick in 2023 or the Flames pick in 2025 which also could be a lottery pick by the way as there is no protection only conditions. The pick can be as high as 2OA.

Hughes has no reason to pay a prime asset for PLD unless he's given a bargain.


if mailloux's rights belonged to any other team you wouldn't give up **** for him
Mar. 21, 2023 at 10:29 p.m.
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if mailloux's rights belonged to any other team you wouldn't give up **** for him


Actually I would, Mailloux beyond one bad decision has been a good prospect and hasn't had any other off ice issues, suggesting that this one really really bad decision was just a one off. He will eventually be cleared to play (most likely in Montreal cause we need RHD anyway). Everyone on the planet has made at least one bad decision as a teenager (some vary in degrees of bad) but all deserve a chance at redemption. Ever heard the saying, let he who is without sin cast the first stone? I bet you not one person on this site can say they have never sinned, if they try they are flat out liars.
Mar. 21, 2023 at 10:32 p.m.
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Actually I would, Mailloux beyond one bad decision has been a good prospect and hasn't had any other off ice issues, suggesting that this one really really bad decision was just a one off. He will eventually be cleared to play (most likely in Montreal cause we need RHD anyway). Everyone on the planet has made at least one bad decision as a teenager (some vary in degrees of bad) but all deserve a chance at redemption. Ever heard the saying, let he who is without sin cast the first stone? I bet you not one person on this site can say they have never sinned, if they try they are flat out liars.


C+ prospect who is currently NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY IN THE NHL.
Mar. 21, 2023 at 11:28 p.m.
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1. You don't know that, the league's profit margin will be just fine whether or not Mailloux plays in the NHL. That's just a ridiculous statement.

2. Again this is just you bias, players with the same injuries and prognosis would have the same decrease in value based solely on injuries, if you think they wouldn't I have ocean front property to sell you in Arizona!!! Doesn't matter of they are elite players or replacement level players, if two players have the same injuries and player one's value decreases then so does player two's and vice versa. BTW, I don't think either players values are diminished given that both are expected to return for camp in the fall, it's Windjammer that thinks there is a disproportionate around the league when it comes to Montreal players.


When you let players like him in, sponsors pull out because they won’t want to be associated with pieces of s*it like Mallioux
Mar. 21, 2023 at 11:40 p.m.
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When you let players like him in, sponsors pull out because they won’t want to be associated with pieces of s*it like Mallioux


Sure, that's why E. Kane, P. Kane, DeAngelo, Matthews and others were all run out of the league right?! What sponsors pulled out over DeAngelo being allowed to spread his racist hate around multiple dressing rooms?! What sponsors pulled out when Matthews terrorized a young security guard for fun? What sponsors pulled out when P. Kane attacked a NYC cab driver for short changing him?

Edit*** what sponsors pulled out of the league when 8 members of team Canada attacked that young lady? Many of them are already playing in the NHL and have not been banned from the league. But yeah Mailloux will be banned for life for sharing a picture without consent. ROTFLMAO!!! just like the team canada thing has already been swept aside so will the Mailloux thing and he will eventually play whether you like it or not.
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 12:46 a.m.
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Why are the Habs going to trade anything of value for an extra season? A player that will sign in Montreal as a UFA the following year? Especially while the team is still at the tail end of their rebuild. Makes no sense to give anything of value to the Jets. I would offer Alexander Gordin, Jack Smith and a few 4ths. Otherwise, PLD can wait and the Jets can toil without any chips with the rest of the league come TDL. Offers like these make no sense to me.
Apr. 3, 2023 at 8:08 a.m.
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Quoting: Went_Wughes
Why are the Habs going to trade anything of value for an extra season? A player that will sign in Montreal as a UFA the following year? Especially while the team is still at the tail end of their rebuild. Makes no sense to give anything of value to the Jets. I would offer Alexander Gordin, Jack Smith and a few 4ths. Otherwise, PLD can wait and the Jets can toil without any chips with the rest of the league come TDL. Offers like these make no sense to me.


canadiens wont trade for him without the extension and the knowledge that he will sign under what suzuki got.... if he wants more tata Dublois then we just walk away....
Apr. 4, 2023 at 5:03 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
When you let players like him in, sponsors pull out because they won’t want to be associated with pieces of s*it like Mallioux


Any person still calling a kid names that made an isolated mistake in their life is the one with the actual issue. Give your head a shake.
 
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