If FLA makes the playoffs, and there isn't a clear steal at that draft position, Habs do this trade and might add a guy like Farrell, high risk, but also high reward.

I'd rather not have farell in this case. Also if there's an extension in place the price is high than pick 17 and farell lol

If MTL doesnt want to give up Dach or Barron, then the Jets trade Duby elsewhere.

the only Jets trade is Duby to MTL is to get a top 12 pick plus others

Fair just basing on the most popular destination. If he's willing to extend elsewhere mtl is so out of luck lol.

Yah but what I mean is if MTL doesnt want to pony up, trade him as a one year rental for basically the same price. Dont tell me Buffalo or Detroit doesnt want him to get over the payoff line...even if he only plays for one year

The comparable has always been the Horvat deal, the Panthers pick is still likely in the Islanders range.

But if we're entertaining this dumb line of thinking, then at what point does the fact that Dubois has 8 points in his last 20 games (6 of which were on the PP) and keeps slowly getting worse (no 5v5 points in 9 games) as the Jets struggle (in the West only the Sharks and Blackhawks have been worse over their last 10) mean that the trade improves for Montreal to reflect that Dubois isn't actually as good as he looked for parts of this season?

Dubois has been injured lol. How can the man get into a Grove when 1 the team constantly has to play from behind and have that increased pressure 2 he's been in and out often so to go at full pace when you aren't 100% is not ideal (had an upper and lower body injury in the past month)
At what point do we get compensated for the cap of Dvorak who's out for the season and has term and trade protection starting next year eh

If we use Bo Horvat as a model, and ignoring PLD's slump, do you think it would be fair to say Dvorak, Farrell, and the FLA 1st for PLD?

Hughes said in his interview with lebrun the paramaters for a trade and pld doesnt fit it. Habs decline

If the Florida pick falls outside the range of getting a deal done, Montreal is out. They aren't trading a top 10 pick this year or a pick without top 10(12) protection in the next 2 years.

That also precludes an offer sheet, so Habs fans can stop kicking that around. We'd look pretty silly using next year's 1st on Dubois and having it end up 1st overall.

Dach and Barron aren't available unless something drastic changes (like drafting Bedard or trading for a top 4 RHD). Even then it's unlikely and would reduce any additional trade components.

Dubois to Montreal is simply unlikely at the prices fans (from both sides) expect. He needs to go somewhere else for anyone to be satisfied, and maybe later he can come to Montreal.

That's exactly what I think mtl is just being forced by the media and is blow way out of proportion. Like no where has he stated he won't sign long elsewhere, how long a deal he wants, etc. Tbh I could see Dubois being traded elsewhere taking like a 5 year deal and becoming a ufa after so in 6 years and sign then. Makes the most sense for everyone as mtl will be mid contention window gets 2 paydays and gets to chase for a lot longer.

I can't see either of those teams doing that, they'd be foolish to and with the Hronek trade its clear that Yzerman has realized this rebuild is going to take longer then he thought.

WPG fans continue to use this response as if its an escape card because they don't mention what other teams are offering instead that they would take. All they say is they'll go elsewhere...... Ok so play devils advocate then. Presume MTL scoffs at that and says ok go get your offer elsewhere. What is the offer from other teams that WPG is accepting that is blowing MTL's out of the water? Give us some of your offers.

Because every time that is brought up, WPG fans make a trade to another team and that team scoffs at their offer. The only way both sides end up at a "somewhat" of an agreement is if they offer something they have no power over. PLD coming with a long term extension agreement. The one thing PLD doesn't appear to be wanting to do but WPG can just force PLD to sign apparently? Why would he negotiate with 1 team who trades for him when he can wait 1 year and pick any team he wants to go to and get paid true market value? Assume even if MTL backs out in free agency not wanting to pay PLD what he wants, he then can go to his next favorite destination offering a deal.

But in fairness to WPG, if PLD's agent publicly states he's willing to sign long term with any team that trades for him, than MTL will have to pay full cost if they want PLD. I don't expect them to but if Hughes was hell bent on getting him, I fully expect one of Barron/Dach/Beck etc etc and picks being the cost they'd have to pay. But remember, if MTL wins the lottery and gets Bedard or Fantilli, do they even bother going after PLD anymore? IMO I don't think so. So that is a major factor that won't be decided till later in May/Jun at the lottery results.

On the flip side though, if negotiations with WPG sour, they do not get a trade offer that is sufficient and PLD's agent starts releasing him signing in MTL as a free agent the following year to the media, WPG fans are going to have to accept much less than they are currently expecting because their negotiating power will be shot and no teams will be willing to pay up too much for an asset they could lose in a years time. They'll still get a decent haul. Probably a prospect, 1st and a roster player but those stating it'll be the Horvat deal are conveniently forgetting that Horvat was willing to sign in NYI. PLD may not be willing to sign where he gets traded to. So his value becomes a pure rental only without the possibility of extension before free agency.

So by that logic, he has never stated he will sign long term anywhere either. Not knowing one way or the other does not mean your assumption is right.

Its precisely because WE ALL don't know what PLD's intentions are that is even the reason why WPG is thinking of moving him in the first place.

Wow, that definitely sounds like a player that is worth teams paying through the nose for and giving a massive contract. Because no player or team hasn't had injury issues. Its not like Dubois' performance has consistently fallen off as the season goes on or that he's never been more than a 60 point player.

And taking a veteran on salary is the cost of doing business to get the kind of return you're looking for in futures. No one is saying the Jets would have to take Dvorak, Jets fans always say they'd need a center and Montreal (or any team) just straight up aren't going to move a guy like Dach in a Dubois trade. Either take a veteran with salary or trade a better player.