I'd be much more willing to do that. I think Wallinder is going to be an absolute stud, so I'm against moving him.

man, people here dont realize how special mitchkov is, try to find a guy who has his stats in the khl in recent years.

I agree, there would be alot if value going to Philly for the two spots. I would even include Lindstrom so they have a replacement RHD but I'm actually against moving him.
Two players I wouldn't give up on are Ned and Lindstrom, to possibly Veleno but I would be okay with moving him. I think Ned has shown he had the talent and if we could resign him for a really cheap two year deal, I would be all over it in hopes he rebounds and gets some value back. Worst case scenario it's he platoons with Cossa in the AHL, if Cossa makes the be AHL. He is finally putting up decent numbers in the ECHL which is fine I wasn't expecting him to destroy the league right off the bat.
Lindstrom showed alot of promise last season and I almost wonder if it was the system they played and that if Lalonde's system isn't good for him, either way again I would resign him to a cheap two year deal to let him rebound.

20 points in 27 games is unreal for an 18 year old. Kaprizov didn't come close to those numbers, Ovi and Malkin were different times. Kuzmenko didn't get those kind of numbers until he was like 23 or something. Extremely special. I would be all over him for the right deal, to but it would have to be the right deal. You can't just throw everything at one player.

I think even a lesser deal works for both, say

PHI 1st 2023 (5oa) to DET

DET 1st 2023 (10th oa)
NYI 1st 2023 (20 oa)
and one of the 2023 2nds (DET, STL, VAN)

So DET keeps one pick and Wallinder and PHI keeps Ristolinen, so its 5th for 10th, 20th and say 34th, seems closer to value and still works for both

To take on 4 years of Ristolainen, a team would want a 1st round pick or similar back. Wallinder was drafted 32nd overall, and has so far outperformed that draft slot. . The Wings 2023 2nd round pick will be around 40th overall. You're basically giving up 5 1st round or similar assets to move up to 5th overall for a huge gamble on an undersized Russian winger. No matter how you slice it, this would be a horrible trade for Detroit.
The WIngs are at the point in the rebuild where they need quality over quantity, but this ain't it imo.

I think he's special, I'll gamble it

i woul say thats pretty far from everything. you keep all your core players and best prospects. its ok if you dont want to do it, but i think its a pretty fair deal.

This deal is too much. Philly is slated to pick at #6. If Detroit was able to move to #8 I would do #8, #40 and Neiderbach for Risto (if they want to rid themselves of him) and #6. Only if Michkov is available.

will see where pick lands, the description was 5th for 10th.

Might as well offer Philly's next GM the key to the city.
Wallinder is looking like a fantastic pick and a steal. He'd definitely go in the 1st round in a redraft.
So what you're essentially doing for a winger that won't even be apart of our team in 2 years is:
10th OA + 17th-20th OA (NYI) + 23rd OA (he could probably go higher, but don't want to be biased) + an early 2nd + an early 3rd + taking on a horrific capdump for SEVERAL years
FOR
5th OA

I'll pass. I'd be hard pressed to do it if it was a top 3 pick.

Yeah, I think you pare down the idea to the 2 1sts in 2023 and a 2nd, (DET has 3). to go from 10th to 5th or 6th isn;t a huge jump, but 10th, 20th and 40th is probably more than enough to tempt PHI and it avoida the wallender/risto inclusion

Raymond was projected to go 4th, so he fits your argument.
Cossa has also played very well in the ECHL recently, and Yzerman traded up for him too.

Here are prospects that don't fit your argument.
Seider was projected to go 12th-20th.
Kasper was projected to go 10th-20th.
Wallinder, Mazur, Buchelnikov, Soderblom, and Al. Johannson. All of these players were picked past 16th OA (playoff team territory) and are looking like bonafide NHLers.
Could argue for guys like Lombardi, Buium, Hanas, Gylander, or Mastrosimone. Decent prospects that IMO top out as 3rd/4th liners (or 2nd string for Gylander) if they hit potential.
Of these, Seider, Kasper, Wallinder, Mazur, Al. Johannson, and Soderblom are really only the ones of big note - players drafted (or expected to be drafted) later than lottery - all of these players definitely get drafted in the 1st round (or for Seider and Kasper, higher in order) in a re-draft.

You can't be serious?

Want no part of Rasmus Ristolainen in Detroit.

There's a very good chance still that Detroit could finish 8th or 9th, Sorry to move up 3-4 spots cost no where near that kind of draft capital period. Michkov is still 3-4 years away from coming to North America. We're not spending that kind of draft capital on a Russian player even if he is the real thing. Just too much uncertainty with him. No thank you no way Yzerman gives that up for Michkov. Unless it's for Bedard we won't be moving up.

No I'm trading all that for what I think is Kucherov and Ovi rolled into one in which case it's worth it.

Yeah but that's every prospect.

The higher you pick the more likely you hit. This guy could be a generational talent who is unattractive to some teams. You have to take advantage of that. It's the build through the draft and getting elite talent at the same time. It doesn't leave us empty of picks . It doesn't empty our prospect pool it's a risk for sure.

It may not empty our prospect pool but it sure as hell plateaus it in certain places.

I do understand that he is going to be a fantastic player, and the Wings could use him at #1 LW.
But, we need a 2RHD and 2LW/RW too.
However each of those assets can be used to fill the hole.
10OA - Top Winger
18OA - 2nd Line Winger
Wallinder (preferably Al. Johannson) for a 2RHD.

I don't see how really. We move 1 prospect in our strongest positon and a couple picks. It's not even our best ld prospect. We still have 3 first rounders and 3 2nd rounders in the 2 next two drafts after we make the deal. We're hardly effected by it.

I think it does make the latter end of our defense a little bare. Right now (3 years down the line) I'm thinking
Edvinsson(?)-Seider
Walman(?)-Reinbacher
Wallinder(?) - Anton J.

That defense would be insane and easily top 5 in the league. A. Johannson would be the odd man out but he could be used to trade up in the draft.

Top 5 is a bit optimistic

On the lower end of top 5, but point stands that it'd be a fantastic group.

It's just too early to project some of these guys, one we don't even own. Edvinsson, Wallinder I think will be good. I'm not sure about Johansson just yet.

I mean we can't just take a neutral stance on every prospect and then hype one up to be the next Ovi.
Wallinder is Rogle's #1 D-Man and lead the SHL in U21 points.
Al. Johannson has looked extremely sound and safe, while still having that small offensive upside.
Edvinsson has seemed to patched up most of his issues, and we're starting to see him shine.