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Team: 2023-24 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 26, 2023
Published: Mar. 26, 2023
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Mar. 26, 2023 at 8:30 a.m.
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Neither PIT nor NYR are touching that. Very bad trades. But I'd also add, let's just get Svech back.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 10:30 a.m.
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Personally not interested in moving Chytil for that. Prospect isn’t helping us right now. And Chytil already has playoff experience as well now.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 10:32 a.m.
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Personally not interested in moving Chytil for that. Prospect isn’t helping us right now. And Chytil already has playoff experience as well now.


Drury's on the NHL roster, but fair. The idea is that Chytil has no development path in New York. You get Fox's Harvard roommate and the GM's nephew
Mar. 26, 2023 at 10:35 a.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Drury's on the NHL roster, but fair. The idea is that Chytil has no development path in New York. You get Fox's Harvard roommate and the GM's nephew


But that doesn’t solve the problem of giving up a 23 year old middle 6 center on pace for 50 points. We also know he gels well with his line mates. Don’t think now is the time to be experimenting with that. Especially considering they’re the same age. Personally if I were to move Chytil I’d want Jarvis, but you probably wouldn’t do that.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 10:40 a.m.
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But that doesn’t solve the problem of giving up a 23 year old middle 6 center on pace for 50 points. We also know he gels well with his line mates. Don’t think now is the time to be experimenting with that. Especially considering they’re the same age. Personally if I were to move Chytil I’d want Jarvis, but you probably wouldn’t do that.


Jarvis is going to ourproduce Chytil, can play center as well, and is 4 years younger. You're looking at a LOT more than Chytil for Jarvis. Chytil gets on well with his linemates, but Lafreniere himself could not bee there if the rumors from Montreal are to be believed (most of them are BS, but some of them aren't, no idea if that one is or not).
Mar. 26, 2023 at 10:44 a.m.
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Jarvis is going to ourproduce Chytil, can play center as well, and is 4 years younger. You're looking at a LOT more than Chytil for Jarvis. Chytil gets on well with his linemates, but Lafreniere himself could not bee there if the rumors from Montreal are to be believed (most of them are BS, but some of them aren't, no idea if that one is or not).


Chytil is 23. Jarvis is 21. Regardless I didn’t say it’d be fair, but that’s the kind of guy I’d want if I’m moving Chytil. Someone on an ELC who can play in the middle six in our forward group. You’re sending Drury who is 23 and hasn’t even fully established himself as an NHL player. A 2nd doesn’t make that interesting at all.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 10:48 a.m.
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Chytil is 23. Jarvis is 21. Regardless I didn’t say it’d be fair, but that’s the kind of guy I’d want if I’m moving Chytil. Someone on an ELC who can play in the middle six in our forward group. You’re sending Drury who is 23 and hasn’t even fully established himself as an NHL player. A 2nd doesn’t make that interesting at all.


It's Philly's second, which is basically a late 1st. Drury not proving himself as a full time NHLer is more a statement on the Canes being deep as it is to Drury's talent. He did set a rookie high in AHL playoff scoring that hadn't been seen in like 15 years. Drury also has played 20 games this year, it's not like he's not played at all and only recently broke through, he's been up and down, but it took him getting red hot with Chicago to pull Paul Stastny out of the lineup. I'm not saying this is fair value for Chytil, but you're not going to get fair value for a dude that doesn't have a contract
Mar. 26, 2023 at 10:57 a.m.
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It's Philly's second, which is basically a late 1st. Drury not proving himself as a full time NHLer is more a statement on the Canes being deep as it is to Drury's talent. He did set a rookie high in AHL playoff scoring that hadn't been seen in like 15 years. Drury also has played 20 games this year, it's not like he's not played at all and only recently broke through, he's been up and down, but it took him getting red hot with Chicago to pull Paul Stastny out of the lineup. I'm not saying this is fair value for Chytil, but you're not going to get fair value for a dude that doesn't have a contract


The point has not been established regarding why we need to trade him though. That contract you signed him to is easily matched. So I’m confused what’s the reasoning behind the move. I personally think Laf would get moved long before Chytil does, but that’s a conversation for another day. If you signed him to something $6 mil plus then maybe, but anything under $5.5 mil is a head scratcher.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:13 a.m.
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Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448
The point has not been established regarding why we need to trade him though. That contract you signed him to is easily matched. So I’m confused what’s the reasoning behind the move. I personally think Laf would get moved long before Chytil does, but that’s a conversation for another day. If you signed him to something $6 mil plus then maybe, but anything under $5.5 mil is a head scratcher.


I think the reasoning behind the trade would be to take advantage of the Rags cap situation, and instead of sending an offer sheet and ruining what has been a pretty good trade relationship over the last few years, attempt a trade. I imagine the Rags priority order of signings start with Miller, then Chytil/Tarasenko/Kane, with Lafreniere being the lowest priority of them. That being said, I do think the package is a little light, but without a contract, Chytil doesn’t get the full value return he would otherwise get, and that’s what I think the OP is getting at. Chytil is the 3C, and is likely to stay in that role for a while whilst Trocheck is there. In Carolina, he would have the opportunity to take the role of 2C and have a bigger opportunity than he would with the Rags. Money wise, it’s a fair deal for Chytil, but the trade value might need to be worked out.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 11:17 a.m.
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I have already touched on the Chytil topic, but I am not a fan of making a move for Guentzel. I get that he has excelled in Pittsburgh, whilst playing with Crosby and Malkin, but I don’t think he is the solution the Canes need, and I think his production would be a lot lower in Carolina. Not to mention, age wise he isn’t the best fit, and he just ends up walking at the end of the year since the Canes wouldn’t be able to sign him. A better use of those assets would be to go after someone who is a better systemic fit, and has an extra year on their deal, someone like Konecny would be a perfect fit in this situation. Or even someone like Shmaltz
Mar. 26, 2023 at 12:08 p.m.
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Add 3 first round picks and then the Rangers think about it.
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Mar. 26, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.
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I think the reasoning behind the trade would be to take advantage of the Rags cap situation, and instead of sending an offer sheet and ruining what has been a pretty good trade relationship over the last few years, attempt a trade. I imagine the Rags priority order of signings start with Miller, then Chytil/Tarasenko/Kane, with Lafreniere being the lowest priority of them. That being said, I do think the package is a little light, but without a contract, Chytil doesn’t get the full value return he would otherwise get, and that’s what I think the OP is getting at. Chytil is the 3C, and is likely to stay in that role for a while whilst Trocheck is there. In Carolina, he would have the opportunity to take the role of 2C and have a bigger opportunity than he would with the Rags. Money wise, it’s a fair deal for Chytil, but the trade value might need to be worked out.


This is where we agree to disagree. One would be a fool to sign Kane/ Senko at this point in their career’s over Chytil who’s only 23. Definitely a possibility given how stupid most of the GM’s in this league are. If they did do that, I hope the move blows up in the Rangers face. This isn’t prime 27-28 Kane or Senko you’re giving up Chytil for.
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Mar. 26, 2023 at 12:56 p.m.
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This is where we agree to disagree. One would be a fool to sign Kane/ Senko at this point in their career’s over Chytil who’s only 23. Definitely a possibility given how stupid most of the GM’s in this league are. If they did do that, I hope the move blows up in the Rangers face. This isn’t prime 27-28 Kane or Senko you’re giving up Chytil for.


Oh yeah, no doubt it would be stupid. But by the time that Chytil would get probably his best opportunity to get to be 2C, he is likely about 25-27. In that time frame, he is playing 3C, and just looking at the Rags roster, the best RW behind Tarasenko and Kane is Kakko, and he hasn’t shown much success in the top 6 so far. It’s definitely a tough call to make, but do you choose a 3C on your roster to pay 4-5mil to and sacrifice all the gained RW depth in hopes of Chytil forcing Trocheck out of 2C, or just when it’s that time to switch them, or do you move Chytil to save 4-5mil keep at least 1 of the RW pieces and sign someone to play 3C for about 2mil? This off season has a potential to either make or break the Rags.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 12:57 p.m.
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Oh yeah, no doubt it would be stupid. But by the time that Chytil would get probably his best opportunity to get to be 2C, he is likely about 25-27. In that time frame, he is playing 3C, and just looking at the Rags roster, the best RW behind Tarasenko and Kane is Kakko, and he hasn’t shown much success in the top 6 so far. It’s definitely a tough call to make, but do you choose a 3C on your roster to pay 4-5mil to and sacrifice all the gained RW depth in hopes of Chytil forcing Trocheck out of 2C, or just when it’s that time to switch them, or do you move Chytil to save 4-5mil keep at least 1 of the RW pieces and sign someone to play 3C for about 2mil? This off season has a potential to either make or break the Rags.


Signing guys in their mid 30’s is exactly what sinked us in the 2010’s. I’d prefer to keep the youth. Old vets on expensive deals is how you go nowhere in this league real fast.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 1:00 p.m.
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Signing guys in their mid 30’s is exactly what sinked us in the 2010’s. I’d prefer to keep the youth. Old vets on expensive deals is how you go nowhere in this league real fast.


I mean, just looking at the Trocheck signing from last year, you can kind of guess what mentality they end up taking though. Definitely not a position in which I envy to be in.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 1:01 p.m.
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I mean, just looking at the Trocheck signing from last year, you can kind of guess what mentality they end up taking though. Definitely not a position in which I envy to be in.


Yeah but at least he was 28 and not 33-34 like Kane and Senko.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 1:47 p.m.
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You're not getting Guentzel for a bunch of spare parts.
Mar. 26, 2023 at 2:01 p.m.
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You're not getting Guentzel for a bunch of spare parts.


Maybe not if he had term on his deal, but for 1 year and Pittsburgh missing the playoffs this year and needing to retool, you're not going to get much more. Besides, look into the prospects, neither are spare parts
Mar. 27, 2023 at 11:13 a.m.
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Jack Drury is 6 months younger than Chytil, and has barely scraped his way into the NHL.

-Consider this, Drury had a great season in the AHL last year with 52 points in 68 games. He turned 22 mid season.
-When Chytil just turned 18 (he has a september birthday), he put up 31 points in 46 AHL games. That's a .67 ppg pace compared to Drury's .76 ppg pace, at 3-4 years YOUNGER.
-This year, Drury's AHL production is actually behind Chytil's production at 18 at .64 ppg.

Now we can take into consideration that Chytil is on pace for a 50 point season in a 3rd line role, while Drury is behind a 50 point pace in the AHL.. you really have to add.


I get not wanting to give up Jarvis, but for NYR to give up Chytil, that's essentially what it would take for NYR to accept:
-NYR need an asset that is ready now not later since they are competing (eliminating Gunler, Suzuki, Trikozov or Rees as they aren't NHL ready)
-Drury simply just isn't enough as described above.
-Picks won't matter for another 3-5 years (especially considering they aren't 1st rounders, which where carolina is drafting is more like 2-3 years away still)
-Chytil is currently outperforming Jarvis (8 more points in 7 less games played)

Jarvis is only 2 years and 5 months younger than Chytil, and while Chytil needs a new contract this summer, Jarvis needs one next summer.
Mar. 27, 2023 at 6:55 p.m.
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Maybe not if he had term on his deal, but for 1 year and Pittsburgh missing the playoffs this year and needing to retool, you're not going to get much more. Besides, look into the prospects, neither are spare parts


Both are putting up middling numbers and aren't really anything special. The Pens would be better off re-signings him and building around him
 
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