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Why are we hated so much and Lines for game 1

Created by: Leafsfan98
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 27, 2023
Published: Mar. 27, 2023
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I don't get why the 2 things that NHL fans seem to agree on is:

The NHL is ruining itself due to management
Leaf fans are the worst thing ever

Sportsnet made a shorts asking other teams fans if they hate Leaf fans and all except 1 said Yes

Before you make the argument "Leafs fans say they know a lot even though their team hasn't won since 1967 since the Leafs have won more recently than: Sens, Jets, Canucks, Sharks, Preds, Panthers, Golden Knights, Kraken and Sabres (I believe) or that the Leafs are the most annoying bc every team has near a certain percentage of annoying fans but the Leafs have the most so it appears that most of their fans are annoying.

What is the real issue?

Anyways, Here are the Lines for Game 1 in my opinion...

Factors include: Chemistry, Line success this season, overall play by 1 player and eye test...
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
Logo of the BOS
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
2024
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the CHI
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the OTT
2025
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the CHI
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$82,500,000$82,440,413$212,500$0$59,587
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,875,000$1,875,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,150,000$1,150,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$840,630$840,630
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$827,500$827,500
C, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$850,000$850,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$800,000$800,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LD
UFA - 1

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Mar. 27, 2023 at 2:27 p.m.
#1
Just Keep Swimming
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The Leafs are the empire. And who the hell cheers for the empire?
Its really that simple
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 2:27 p.m.
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Tintin over 1122
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Delusion is an issue
Mar. 27, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
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Just Keep Swimming
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Quoting: capsfan2121
Delusion is an issue


You ever mosie on over to any other fanbase? Especially canadian ones? They are all the same lmao
Mar. 27, 2023 at 2:31 p.m.
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I'll agree a number of fans throughout Canada "hate the Leafs". But interestedly there are a lot of Leaf fans throughout Canada, just watch an Leafs away game in other Canadian cities, there are so many Leaf fans in the stands, you often don't know who is the home team.
Yeah, I don't really get "the hate". Leafs haven't been "successful" for decades. But really neither has any Canadian team. Betcha half of the CapFriendly followers can remember the great Oilers teams, which were over thirty years ago.
Mar. 27, 2023 at 2:32 p.m.
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There's multiple reasons/factors why some hate Leafs nation, its too long to list and a lot of it is just petty nonsense so don't let it bother you!
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 2:37 p.m.
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Tintin over 1122
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Quoting: Random2152
You ever mosie on over to any other fanbase? Especially canadian ones? They are all the same lmao


100% agree.
Mar. 27, 2023 at 2:42 p.m.
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Hated because of overconfidence with no follow through. Laughing stock because first round exits year after year is an easy thing to make fun of
Mar. 27, 2023 at 2:47 p.m.
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Leafs going to Leafs
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Quoting: Juiceman
Hated because of overconfidence with no follow through. Laughing stock because first round exits year after year is an easy thing to make fun of


But aren't there 31 other teams that don't follow through either, for example the Nucks this year?
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 2:49 p.m.
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Leafs going to Leafs
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Edited Mar. 27, 2023 at 6:40 p.m.
Quoting: MisstheWhalers
There's multiple reasons/factors why some hate Leafs nation, its too long to list and a lot of it is just petty nonsense so don't let it bother you!


It's harder when you try and make your point across when the other person says: you're a Leafs fan so you don't know anything about hockey so trying to figure out the cause of all of this
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
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The list is long & goes back as far as the Original 6. Since expansion in ‘68 it gained momentum & has never stopped.

Foster Hewitt was a bigot during the AngloFrancophone era on purpose mispronouncing French names. Great announcer but Toronto ignores that lil nugget.

Harold Ballard. Say no more.

1968 1st expansion the beginning of obvious signs of greed. Leafs/Habs didn’t want to split HNIC pie 3 ways so denied Vancouver joining.

Every Saturday no matter how crappy the Leafs we’re they play at 7pm EST. Road games on Saturday still the same time. Leaf fans claim cuz popular & money makers for TV. Nobody would know since no other team gets a guaranteed prime time slot. That is from a Canadian crown corporation from all ppl’s tax money.

TorontoSportsNetwork over does all things Leafs.

Leaf fans either too young to know or old & forget on purpose about how cups were won & throw in other fans faces when they’ve no team in the league back then. Toronto & Montreal had territorial rights to players when before the draft existed. Not difficult to monopolize talent pools back then let alone only had to win 2 rounds for a cup.
Mar. 27, 2023 at 3:52 p.m.
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This post is a good reason for starters
Mar. 27, 2023 at 5:58 p.m.
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I used to live in Toronto and I hate the Leafs because of how obnoxious the fans are. I had folks throw stuff at me in the streets on a few occasions for wearing Senators merch and in a couple instances I've had Leaf fans try to 'convert me' to their team by overhyping their players. I remember when Tavares was signed fans were going nuts and one guy would not leave me alone for an entire 4 hour shift since "they're going to win now bro; he was the missing piece." Every player they have is better than your team, but once they're traded they're whiny losers who can barely stay in the NHL. I also personally find the concept of "you should be honoured to play for us, so accept less than market value for your services" as a bit weird (but maybe that's because I cheer for the Senators and they're super mediocre since 2004 ish). Like if my boss, or someone around me, said that about my job I'd hate that. Athletes are overpaid and all, but still a weird concept.

Then, they act as though this is all normal and okay since they're just 'passionate' and 'a true fan,' when in reality they're just being annoying.

So in all, I find most Leaf fans obnoxious and arrogant. I'm sure someone is going to hop on here saying "no way man, that's just anecdotal and not everyone is like that" which is fair, but picking a team is an inherently subjective thing so whatever. Most of my family are Leaf fans so I hope they win, but I also find some sadistic enjoyment when they lose.
Mar. 27, 2023 at 6:20 p.m.
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It's the pretensiousness and obnoxiousness from what is actually a very small percentage of Leafs fans in my personal opinion that gets me annoyed from time to time. That said, I could say that for almost all Canadian fanbases, and a handful of US ones. Tbh though I wouldn't let it worry you and if that's all you truly have to worry about in life then that ain't a lot!
Mar. 27, 2023 at 6:53 p.m.
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Quoting: GoldBear
Most of my family are Leaf fans so I hope they win, but I also find some sadistic enjoyment when they lose.


Your entire point is reasonable (as a Leafs fan, it's sometimes hard to talk to other Leafs fans who either overrate their players (Mitch Marner IMO) or underrate their players (Morgan Rielly IMO) based on their personal narrative) but I just wanted to quote you here bc that's kind of the same for my family (whom are mostly Sens and Oilers fans) where I do want to see them have success but at the same time, find it funny when they don't
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 6:54 p.m.
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Leafs going to Leafs
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Quoting: TJTwolf
It's the pretensiousness and obnoxiousness from what is actually a very small percentage of Leafs fans in my personal opinion that gets me annoyed from time to time. That said, I could say that for almost all Canadian fanbases, and a handful of US ones. Tbh though I wouldn't let it worry you and if that's all you truly have to worry about in life then that ain't a lot!


I'm more of a "newer fan" so wanted to know why all the hate
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Mar. 27, 2023 at 7:22 p.m.
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The issue is social media. I've enjoyed the Leafs for decades, especially the late 90s teams with Sundin, Domi, Corson, Kaberle, Felix, Curtis, & Co.
 
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