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Finally PLD price is known Stop asking for more Jets fans

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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 27, 2023
Published: Mar. 27, 2023
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That's it. Stop asking for Barron or Roy or another pick. That's a very decent offer for a player who wants out to play for one team only. It beat any offer for Dubois as a rental. You're not getting a top 16 pick anywhere else. Wait after the 2023 draft and it turn into a late 2024 1st.
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  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Kidney, Riley
  3. Mailloux, Logan
  4. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
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Could replace Mailloux with Beck if WPG or the NHL has any concern about Mailloux future.
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 12:58 a.m.
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Quoting: Went_Wughes
Why are the Habs going to trade anything of value for an extra season? A player that will sign in Montreal as a UFA the following year? Especially while the team is still at the tail end of their rebuild. Makes no sense to give anything of value to the Jets. I would off Alexander Gordin, Jack Smith and a few 5ths. Otherwise, PLD can wait and the Jets can toil without any chips with the rest of the league. Offers like these make no sense to me.


In 2019, Gorton was Rangers GM and he gave a 20th overall 1st and a young top 4 for Trouba, who openly said he wouldn't sign with WPG long term because he wanted to play for the NYR only.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 1:24 a.m.
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In 2019, Gorton was Rangers GM and he gave a 20th overall 1st and a young top 4 for Trouba, who openly said he wouldn't sign with WPG long term because he wanted to play for the NYR only.


There is a difference. There is no guarantee NYR/Trouba signing happens when bidding war starts. It's all but guaranteed PLD goes to Montreal, and everyone knows it.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 6:41 a.m.
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Dubois is better than Dach. I would even argue he's better than Suzuki, or at least as good. And i value Suzuki a lot more than FLA 2023 1st and Mailloux/Beck.

I compare them to Markov and Subban, where Suzuki is like Markov, a high IQ player who always does the right thing, and Dubois is like Subban, a work horse playing the game hard.

I would trade Beck over Mailloux. I'm not that high on Beck, and having Suzuki, Dubois and Dach for the future, Beck would be expendable.


I agree on PLD's value but you are deliberately ignoring the fact that Dubois is trying to leverage his way to Montreal. Dach never leveraged himself to Montreal. Chicago wanted to move on. That means something same as it meant for Florida acquiring Giroux cheap or the Rangers acquiring Kane for practically nothing.

It seems every 'fair' deal simply ignores the leverage and goes straight to value to accommodate the Jets.
Now, should Hughes rip off the Jets? No. But that doesnt mean he isnt going to get a better deal on Dubois than most teams.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 6:53 a.m.
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Why are the Habs going to trade anything of value for an extra season? A player that will sign in Montreal as a UFA the following year? Especially while the team is still at the tail end of their rebuild. Makes no sense to give anything of value to the Jets. I would off Alexander Gordin, Jack Smith and a few 5ths. Otherwise, PLD can wait and the Jets can toil without any chips with the rest of the league. Offers like these make no sense to me.


The Jets do need to get something of value almost solely for appearances and as a rental they should get a late 1st and a b prospect.

There are some minor advantages to getting Dubois like guaranteeing the player as 'you never know'

This is why I stick to my point that the Florida's top 15 pick is quite 'fair' considering the circumstances. There are no contenders that will even have a top 15 pick next season unless they buy one and that would cost a player close to PLD's value so there it is.

Dvorak and the Florida pick or Hughes hangs up the phone and the Jets can settle for less from a contender as a rental. The Habs are under no obligation to have the best offer in the league for a player that wants to go there.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 9:45 a.m.
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Edited Mar. 28, 2023 at 9:51 a.m.
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The Jets do need to get something of value almost solely for appearances and as a rental they should get a late 1st and a b prospect.

There are some minor advantages to getting Dubois like guaranteeing the player as 'you never know'

This is why I stick to my point that the Florida's top 15 pick is quite 'fair' considering the circumstances. There are no contenders that will even have a top 15 pick next season unless they buy one and that would cost a player close to PLD's value so there it is.

Dvorak and the Florida pick or Hughes hangs up the phone and the Jets can settle for less from a contender as a rental. The Habs are under no obligation to have the best offer in the league for a player that wants to go there.


I get your point. I just wouldnt pay for something that is destined to come. If he chooses elsewhere after all of this, so be it, good riddance.

Like the Pat Kane trade, they will get little of value come trade deadline. Hence my aforementioned offer. Or Gallagher straight up.

Otherwise, Habs should keep their assets and let the chips fall where they may.
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 11:53 a.m.
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I get your point. I just wouldnt pay for something that is destined to come. If he chooses elsewhere after all of this, so be it, good riddance.

Like the Pat Kane trade, they will get little of value come trade deadline. Hence my aforementioned offer. Or Gallagher straight up.

Otherwise, Habs should keep their assets and let the chips fall where they may.


I agree sometimes these ACGMs try to placate other fans too much simply for respect and attn. This seems like that kind of trade.
Typically the best trades leave both fan bases unsatisfied. The fact that even the biggest homer on the board likes this deal means it ain’t legitimate.
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 1:20 p.m.
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I agree on PLD's value but you are deliberately ignoring the fact that Dubois is trying to leverage his way to Montreal. Dach never leveraged himself to Montreal. Chicago wanted to move on. That means something same as it meant for Florida acquiring Giroux cheap or the Rangers acquiring Kane for practically nothing.

It seems every 'fair' deal simply ignores the leverage and goes straight to value to accommodate the Jets.
Now, should Hughes rip off the Jets? No. But that doesnt mean he isnt going to get a better deal on Dubois than most teams.


Dach price was low because Chicago gave up on him. Like i said, i think both Dubois and Suzuki are worth way more than a mid 1st and two B prospects. If Dubois rumors were false, the price would be higher.
Mar. 28, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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Dach price was low because Chicago gave up on him. Like i said, i think both Dubois and Suzuki are worth way more than a mid 1st and two B prospects. If Dubois rumors were false, the price would be higher.


Yes, as I said the Hawks wanted to move on. Or as you said gave up on him. Tomato..Tomahto.

Chicago still wasn’t going to deal him unless they got their price as they had years of team control and things change fast much like Debrusk in Boston whom was on the block forever and Boston was trying to move on yet they signed him long term.

Dubois clock is ticking. The Jets have a year left and PLD clearly has talked to his buddies in Savard and Anderson from CBJ and he’s convinced to come here.
Going from a boss you hate from Torts to MSL would be a dream. It’s not just smoke now but a clear destination path.

Just cause a bunch of homers that were literally asking for Beck, Florida 1st and Dach, last week, finally changed their tune doesn’t mean we have to meet them at their delusion because facts pushed them away from lunacy.

This offer, of course, suits them, as they have no skin in the game. Pld is gone!

Now if you had this return for Hellebuyck then this trade return makes a bit more sense.
Helle can go anywhere just like PLD, he’s a free agent in 2024.
Guaranteeing Helle to go to Mtl would be a worthwhile price to pay with a mid 1st, an A prospect and a B Prospect.

A lot of these fans have no clue how good Mailloux has been in the past year and have never seen him play. There are pundits that say he’s the Habs best prospect and will be another Weber. Will he be?! No one knows but to just give up on him because you want your deal to look sexy or appeal to Jets fans ain’t it!
You don’t give up high end pieces with all this leverage, a top 15 pick and a legit b prospect Center in Kidney for a player they’ll get for free.

As it stands appearances would demand something to sell the Jets fans.

Take the Florida 1st or Dvorak and maybe Mesar otherwise good luck getting better on the market with teams knowing he’s simply a short term rental with no chance at signing him.
That never gets a lottery pick much less your package.
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Mar. 28, 2023 at 2:16 p.m.
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Yes, as I said the Hawks wanted to move on. Or as you said gave up on him. Tomato..Tomahto.

Chicago still wasn’t going to deal him unless they got their price as they had years of team control and things change fast much like Debrusk in Boston whom was on the block forever and Boston was trying to move on yet they signed him long term.

Dubois clock is ticking. The Jets have a year left and PLD clearly has talked to his buddies in Savard and Anderson from CBJ and he’s convinced to come here.
Going from a boss you hate from Torts to MSL would be a dream. It’s not just smoke now but a clear destination path.

Just cause a bunch of homers that were literally asking for Beck, Florida 1st and Dach, last week, finally changed their tune doesn’t mean we have to meet them at their delusion because facts pushed them away from lunacy.

This offer, of course, suits them, as they have no skin in the game. Pld is gone!

Now if you had this return for Hellebuyck then this trade return makes a bit more sense.
Helle can go anywhere just like PLD, he’s a free agent in 2024.
Guaranteeing Helle to go to Mtl would be a worthwhile price to pay with a mid 1st, an A prospect and a B Prospect.

A lot of these fans have no clue how good Mailloux has been in the past year and have never seen him play. There are pundits that say he’s the Habs best prospect and will be another Weber. Will he be?! No one knows but to just give up on him because you want your deal to look sexy or appeal to Jets fans ain’t it!
You don’t give up high end pieces with all this leverage, a top 15 pick and a legit b prospect Center in Kidney for a player they’ll get for free.

As it stands appearances would demand something to sell the Jets fans.

Take the Florida 1st or Dvorak and maybe Mesar otherwise good luck getting better on the market with teams knowing he’s simply a short term rental with no chance at signing him.
That never gets a lottery pick much less your package.


I agree MTL should keep Mailloux. I wouldn't mind Beck, i'm not that high on him, he's a future middle 6 C at best and probably won't have a spot if Suzuki, Dach and Dubois are on the team. Kidney is decent, but he's just a sweetener.
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Mar. 29, 2023 at 7:06 a.m.
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I agree MTL should keep Mailloux. I wouldn't mind Beck, i'm not that high on him, he's a future middle 6 C at best and probably won't have a spot if Suzuki, Dach and Dubois are on the team. Kidney is decent, but he's just a sweetener.


It drives me crazy to hear people devalue him on this site, Keep him and watch him become one of the most coveted young defenders in the league. When you are getting comparisons to Weber and have that scoring ability from the back end. That isnt an asset you should be moving when you have ALL the leverage. Jets get mid prospects not A prospects. Habs are taking a risk by taking on PLD early and have to negotiate a contract in a rebuild instead of waiting to get him for free closer to their window.

Trading for him is almost a pittance to the Jets. Each passing day, i read up on this draft and I dont want to give up that Florida lottery pick. That is when you know a trade is fair as every Habs that came here has said they dont want to give it up for PLD. All the Jets fans need to be uncomfortable with this trade for it to happen. Giving a bounty isnt it!
Jets fans are simply greedy to want more for a player that will be leaving them in a year at 100%
Mar. 29, 2023 at 12:47 p.m.
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It drives me crazy to hear people devalue him on this site, Keep him and watch him become one of the most coveted young defenders in the league. When you are getting comparisons to Weber and have that scoring ability from the back end. That isnt an asset you should be moving when you have ALL the leverage. Jets get mid prospects not A prospects. Habs are taking a risk by taking on PLD early and have to negotiate a contract in a rebuild instead of waiting to get him for free closer to their window.

Trading for him is almost a pittance to the Jets. Each passing day, i read up on this draft and I dont want to give up that Florida lottery pick. That is when you know a trade is fair as every Habs that came here has said they dont want to give it up for PLD. All the Jets fans need to be uncomfortable with this trade for it to happen. Giving a bounty isnt it!
Jets fans are simply greedy to want more for a player that will be leaving them in a year at 100%


Here, here.

Treating the scenario like a Meier or Horvat trade is delusional. They wont get much from him as a ental as the buying team knows he'll be leaving as a UFA. The Habs won't give up grade A assets.

All Hughes needs to do is find a mediocre package that is slightly heavier than what a contender will give at TDL. Furthermore, do the Jets want a disengaged PLD at camp like he was at CBJ near the end. Best they and fans can expect is what the Habs are will to unload to have negotiating rights.

Anyone looking at this situation wanting to trade Roy Kidney Beck Mailloux Farrel and FLA's 1st should keep playing EA Sports.

Jets and their fans should not expect anything more than cap space going back, a combination of Davidsson, Biondi, Smith, Gordin etc and some mid range picks. And since the Jets like the boarder States, Biondi & Smith make sense as they are from Minnesota.

https://www.capfriendly.com/trade-machine/22739
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Mar. 29, 2023 at 2:23 p.m.
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Here, here.

Treating the scenario like a Meier or Horvat trade is delusional. They wont get much from him as a ental as the buying team knows he'll be leaving as a UFA. The Habs won't give up grade A assets.

All Hughes needs to do is find a mediocre package that is slightly heavier than what a contender will give at TDL. Furthermore, do the Jets want a disengaged PLD at camp like he was at CBJ near the end. Best they and fans can expect is what the Habs are will to unload to have negotiating rights.

Anyone looking at this situation wanting to trade Roy Kidney Beck Mailloux Farrel and FLA's 1st should keep playing EA Sports.

Jets and their fans should not expect anything more than cap space going back, a combination of Davidsson, Biondi, Smith, Gordin etc and some mid range picks. And since the Jets like the boarder States, Biondi & Smith make sense as they are from Minnesota.

https://www.capfriendly.com/trade-machine/22739



It’s not even worth having conservation with some of these ppl because they don’t understand a few basic things.

1. Trades leave both sides unsatisfied. You don’t get everything you want in a deal otherwise the word compromise would not be used like ever!

2. Leverage is something that is in the Habs hands not the Jets. That needs to be very, very clear

3. The PLD situation of him asking out on every team does not increase his value but decrease it

4. A first round pick differs in value completely from a top15 pick to a late pick 1st rnd pick from a contender.

Until then jets fans can continue to make delusional offers or Habs fans wanting attn with sexy pieces.

None of it will come true. It will be funny to come back after the deal is done to see so many so wrong again just like Laine was definitely for sure getting multiple high end pieces back in 2021 and for sure was getting more than PLD yet the Jets ended up giving up more with Roslovic (not much more but a few here were convinced Pld wasn’t even close to Laine’s value)
 
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