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Only way Jets get a 1st

Created by: Went_Wughes
Published: Mar. 30, 2023 at 12:26 p.m.
Salary Cap: $82,500,000
Season Days: 42/185 (23%)
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Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMontreal Canadiens

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Gallagher, BrendanMontreal CanadiensNHL-$6,500,000011---307613--
Biondi, BlakeMontreal CanadiensReserve List-$0001---------
Smith, JackMontreal CanadiensReserve List-$0001---------
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Florida PanthersFLA)---100------
2023 4th round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---001------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Dubois, Pierre-LucWinnipeg JetsNHL-$6,000,000011---67253358--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$2,493,3342748705617
Change$500,00000-2-10-1
Final$2,993,334 (↑)274868 (↓)4 (↓)616 (↓)182745

Logo of the Winnipeg JetsWinnipeg Jets

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Dubois, Pierre-LucWinnipeg JetsNHL-$1,362,162011---67253358--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Gallagher, BrendanMontreal CanadiensNHL-$1,475,676011---307613--
Biondi, BlakeMontreal CanadiensReserve List-$0001---------
Smith, JackMontreal CanadiensReserve List-$0001---------
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Florida PanthersFLA)---100------
2023 4th round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---001------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$768,3462645603410
Change-$113,514002101
Final$654,832 (↓)264562 (↑)4 (↑)411 (↑)-18-27-45
Mar. 30, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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I’m not sure that’s even enough to dump Gallagher. And the Jets can likely get at least a 1st from a contending team willing to buy Dubois as a rental
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 1:20 p.m.
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This gets funnier and funnier
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 1:26 p.m.
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This gets funnier and funnier


Habs fans are delusional!
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Habs fans are delusional!


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This gets funnier and funnier


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I’m not sure that’s even enough to dump Gallagher. And the Jets can likely get at least a 1st from a contending team willing to buy Dubois as a rental


What team is going to give a first for a player that has already abandoned 2 franchises? That has already set his path to Montreal. If you think anything beyond the Patrick Kane return is possible, I am not the delusional one. Do you think Chevy will want him lingering in languish next season his his roster, after already voicing a desire to leave? What contender is going to pay more than a Patrick Kane return, for a player they know will leave as UFA? The Jets have ZERO leverage or ground to stand on. It sucks, as I want all Canadian teams to thrive. But realistically, the Jets are trading negotiating rights to Montreal. This is the most value they can extract from the scenario. The Habs sending A level prospect/picks like the Jets have options is silly. Jets are at the mercy of Kent Hughes' generosity. As at this point, Dubois has almost zero trade value to another franchise or even desire from another locker room. Habs can and should wait to sign him as UFA before paying anything absurd via picks/prospects. His timing as a UFA will be perfect for the end of the rebuild. No need to lose assets.

In reality. The Jets should retain his rights and not sign him. Let him play in Europe. Let him suffer financially and professionally for doing this again. The NHL as a whole needs to curb this type of behavior. Respect the contracts and be professional. That's what's best for the league. Unfortunately, this is a lose-lose for Winnipeg. And, a boon for Montreal. Regardless of bias'.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 2:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Went_Wughes
What team is going to give a first for a player that has already abandoned 2 franchises? That has already set his path to Montreal. If you think anything beyond the Patrick Kane return is possible, I am not the delusional one. Do you think Chevy will want him lingering in languish next season his his roster, after already voicing a desire to leave? What contender is going to pay more than a Patrick Kane return, for a player they know will leave as UFA? The Jets have ZERO leverage or ground to stand on. It sucks, as I want all Canadian teams to thrive. But realistically, the Jets are trading negotiating rights to Montreal. This is the most value they can extract from the scenario. The Habs sending A level prospect/picks like the Jets have options is silly. Jets are at the mercy of Kent Hughes' generosity. As at this point, Dubois has almost zero trade value to another franchise or even desire from another locker room. Habs can and should wait to sign him as UFA before paying anything absurd via picks/prospects. His timing as a UFA will be perfect for the end of the rebuild. No need to lose assets.

In reality. The Jets should retain his rights and not sign him. Let him play in Europe. Let him suffer financially and professionally for doing this again. The NHL as a whole needs to curb this type of behavior. Respect the contracts and be professional. That's what's best for the league. Unfortunately, this is a lose-lose for Winnipeg. And, a boon for Montreal. Regardless of bias'.


It would cost Montreal at least a 1st and the 4rth to dump Gally. So it's PLD for Biondi+Blake. WPJ would get more if they would sign him for 1 year and trade him as a rental player as he has relatively high value and would 100% get more than this.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 2:13 p.m.
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It would cost Montreal at least a 1st and the 4rth to dump Gally. So it's PLD for Biondi+Blake. WPJ would get more if they would sign him for 1 year and trade him as a rental player as he has relatively high value and would 100% get more than this.


Couldn't say it better myself. Hab fans seem to think they are the only option sometimes which they use to justify terrible trades that make no sense. I think mtl has the best assets to make a deal worth more than the Jets would get as a rental. Ultimately it's up to KH to decide if it's worth the risk waiting and seeing the cap or likelihood of him to the habs falter. Jets should be able to get around exactly what horvat got as he may not be willing to sign like horvat but ultimately is younger plays a style not many play and could be a whole year rental vs 20-30 games at the end of the season which helps. It's an interesting conundrum.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 2:23 p.m.
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Couldn't say it better myself. Hab fans seem to think they are the only option sometimes which they use to justify terrible trades that make no sense. I think mtl has the best assets to make a deal worth more than the Jets would get as a rental. Ultimately it's up to KH to decide if it's worth the risk waiting and seeing the cap or likelihood of him to the habs falter. Jets should be able to get around exactly what horvat got as he may not be willing to sign like horvat but ultimately is younger plays a style not many play and could be a whole year rental vs 20-30 games at the end of the season which helps. It's an interesting conundrum.


Horvat could have been traded anywhere. So there was a market for Van to accumulate a better offer. Jets don't have this luxury. Dubois has put his value and desirability at an all time low. Jets will get Kane value.

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It would cost Montreal at least a 1st and the 4rth to dump Gally. So it's PLD for Biondi+Blake. WPJ would get more if they would sign him for 1 year and trade him as a rental player as he has relatively high value and would 100% get more than this.


it's the only way the Jets get a 1st for Dubois. So whatever you deem Gallagher's value, plus what the Habs are trading for negotiating right. Split hairs if you wish. Semantics aside, my previous statement stands.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 2:26 p.m.
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Horvat could have been traded anywhere. So there was a market for Van to accumulate a better offer. Jets don't have this luxury. Dubois has put his value and desirability at an all time low. Jets will get Kane value.



it's the only way the Jets get a 1st for Dubois. So whatever you deem Gallagher's value, plus what the Habs are trading for negotiating right. Split hairs if you wish. Semantics aside, my previous statement stands.


Can you explain why he can't be traded as a pure full season rental to say the Canes for a 2024 first, ryan Suzuki and a 2024 4th? He is a rental that can go anywhere not one single destination
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Horvat could have been traded anywhere. So there was a market for Van to accumulate a better offer. Jets don't have this luxury. Dubois has put his value and desirability at an all time low. Jets will get Kane value.

Diff is with PLD and Kane, Kane had a NMC whereas Dubois doesn't (we don't even know if he wants to go to MTL)

it's the only way the Jets get a 1st for Dubois. So whatever you deem Gallagher's value, plus what the Habs are trading for negotiating right. Split hairs if you wish. Semantics aside, my previous statement stands.


So you're saying: "Dubois has neutral value until he signs with MTL"?
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Can you explain why he can't be traded as a pure full season rental to say the Canes for a 2024 first, ryan Suzuki and a 2024 4th? He is a rental that can go anywhere not one single destination


He can be. But what Dubois are they getting? A player that will respect the contact and go through the boards for the Canes' to win? Or a player that will coast and want out and be unhappy and demand a trade?

Who? Who will they get? Will the Canes ante up for that? Or will the spend their assets on something of more concrete value that they could retain?
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So you're saying: "Dubois has neutral value until he signs with MTL"?


I don't speak that language.
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Quoting: Went_Wughes
I don't speak that language.


Est-ce que Dubois a valeur neutre jusqu'il signe a Montreal?
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Est-ce que Dubois a valeur neutre jusqu'il signe a Montreal?


Je ne parle pas en ces termes de valeur prétentieux. Il existe de nombreux facteurs autres que la valeur précievée basée sur les performances passées. Sa valeur va au-delà de cette simple métrique Internet pour les maîtres de fauteuil.
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Mar. 30, 2023 at 6:23 p.m.
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Je ne parle pas en ces termes de valeur prétentieux. Il existe de nombreux facteurs autres que la valeur précievée basée sur les performances passées. Sa valeur va au-delà de cette simple métrique Internet pour les maîtres de fauteuil.


Please take the time to read this by a habs writer on Twitter that really goes into detail on the idea of trading for Dubois
https://twitter.com/JD_Lagrange/status/1641440390636003328?t=4s0_m6qIaJweW3ZLBMkUdw&s=19
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Horvat could have been traded anywhere. So there was a market for Van to accumulate a better offer. Jets don't have this luxury. Dubois has put his value and desirability at an all time low. Jets will get Kane value.


That is simply not true. Kane a pending UFA with a full no movement clause was in complete control of when, where and if he went anywhere. Chicago could not trade him anywhere unless he agreed to go there and the only place he'd go was to the Rangers. IOW Chicago had to take w/e the Rangers offered or get nothing at all.

PLD on the other hand is a pending RFA with no trade protection at all. Winnipeg can trade him anywhere they want whenever they feel like it. He is arbitration eligible but with a qualifying offer of just 6 million there'll be plenty of teams interested in him. PLD may very well wind up in Montreal after next season but for next season he'll either stay in Winnipeg (very unlikely IMO) or be traded to whichever team offers Winnipeg the most for him as a rental. Many (probably most) teams including top contenders Colorado, Boston and Carolina are looking for a top 6 center.
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That is simply not true. Kane a pending UFA with a full no movement clause was in complete control of when, where and if he went anywhere. Chicago could not trade him anywhere unless he agreed to go there and the only place he'd go was to the Rangers. IOW Chicago had to take w/e the Rangers offered or get nothing at all.

PLD on the other hand is a pending RFA with no trade protection at all. Winnipeg can trade him anywhere they want whenever they feel like it. He is arbitration eligible but with a qualifying offer of just 6 million there'll be plenty of teams interested in him. PLD may very well wind up in Montreal after next season but for next season he'll either stay in Winnipeg (very unlikely IMO) or be traded to whichever team offers Winnipeg the most for him as a rental. Many (probably most) teams including top contenders Colorado, Boston and Carolina are looking for a top 6 center.


I've said all I have to say about this. Feel free to parouse the comments on the latest PLD trade chats. Take it easy.
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Quoting: Howie
Please take the time to read this by a habs writer on Twitter that really goes into detail on the idea of trading for Dubois
https://twitter.com/JD_Lagrange/status/1641440390636003328?t=4s0_m6qIaJweW3ZLBMkUdw&s=19


JD is a glorified blogger. His opinion is just as valid as any other avid fan. Thanks.
Mar. 30, 2023 at 7:20 p.m.
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JD is a glorified blogger. His opinion is just as valid as any other avid fan. Thanks.


Still the points brought up are valid and thus he comes up with a similar package to what I expect in the florida 1st and beck. Technically I ask slightly differently allowing for mtl to keep beck who could be their future 3rd center if one of dach, Dubois or someone else play wing so thus ask for kidney instead who may have a harder path to making an impact add in Dvorak so it's easier to sign both Dubois and caufield. And the additional prospect that is to really put that over the top. It's not a coincidence that we have similar points while being fans of different teams and why JD uses "excuses" for reasons why mtl would not pay for Dubois
Mar. 30, 2023 at 7:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Went_Wughes
I've said all I have to say about this. Feel free to parouse the comments on the latest PLD trade chats. Take it easy.


Not even denying it anymore so you know that you understand the difference but choose to sit on your high horse of what you think even if there's no reason or connect to Dubois and kane
I'll be around.
Mar. 30, 2023 at 8:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
It would cost Montreal at least a 1st and the 4rth to dump Gally. So it's PLD for Biondi+Blake. WPJ would get more if they would sign him for 1 year and trade him as a rental player as he has relatively high value and would 100% get more than this.


Gally costs multiple firsts to dump with his term ngl
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Not even denying it anymore so you know that you understand the difference but choose to sit on your high horse of what you think even if there's no reason or connect to Dubois and kane
I'll be around.


I have been nothing but rational. You have hyperbole and semantics. It's all good. Time will reveal all.
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Still the points brought up are valid and thus he comes up with a similar package to what I expect in the florida 1st and beck. Technically I ask slightly differently allowing for mtl to keep beck who could be their future 3rd center if one of dach, Dubois or someone else play wing so thus ask for kidney instead who may have a harder path to making an impact add in Dvorak so it's easier to sign both Dubois and caufield. And the additional prospect that is to really put that over the top. It's not a coincidence that we have similar points while being fans of different teams and why JD uses "excuses" for reasons why mtl would not pay for Dubois


JD's opinion is no more right than yours or mine. Take it easy.
Mar. 30, 2023 at 10:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Went_Wughes
JD's opinion is no more right than yours or mine. Take it easy.


Yeah but I will say you may be in quite the minority if you think kane and Dubois are comparable and thus a 2nd for Dubois is fair. That may be the wrong hill to die on is all
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Yeah but I will say you may be in quite the minority if you think kane and Dubois are comparable and thus a 2nd for Dubois is fair. That may be the wrong hill to die on is all


I don't think you've actually understood anything I've written. The things you choose to fixate on are not the right things. Infact they are the things that justify your opinion. Funny, huh. There is no hill. This is nothing. Just opinion. Good bye.
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To say that Pierre Luc Dubois would be trade a 100% of is value is so delusional for multiple reasons. One of them is the fact that he already have abandoned one franchise and are in road to that again with Winnipeg and that will probably made some GM pause before.

Like went_wughes have say what kind of player would you pay to receive is another factor.

There 95% chance that Dubois sign an one year deal to be able to receive is status of UFA in 2024 which could work for some team but not other.

Salary is another reason that could block an trade for him. Depending on what he judge he's value are and what team want to give. He's currently at 3 pts from is best years and with less match play and with some game miss so in my eyes is a raise so probably in the range of 7 to 8m gave or take.

Yes there will be countainder team that will have some cap space this summer but they also have more then one spot to fill and paying 6 to 8m on one guy may not be in the plan right now.

I have look about RFA status and I find something interesting:

If the player rejects the qualifying offer, or has not yet accepted it, he is able to negotiate offer sheets with other teams.

Which mean that in case of Dubois, Winnipeg could still offer him an offer to keep is rfa status and is signing right but he could refuse to sign it and wait at free agent market and talk with other team to try get what he want or where he want.

The option for Winnipeg would be A: do the same deal and keep Dubois one more year but couldn't be able to trade him for one years time or B: take the compensation


Honestly I don't know why should mtl rush thing and pay to acquire him when he will be available to sign next summer when he will be UFA. I would avocat to be patient let's the jets work with the Dubois files and when summer coming next year's look to acquire Dubois right like you have done with Edmundson around a price of Fifth round pick.
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