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Tear Down in Winnipeg

Team: 2023-24 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 5, 2023
Published: Apr. 5, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,775,000
2$950,000
2$950,000
2$950,000
2$2,250,000
2$2,250,000
Trades
1.
WPG
  1. Blackwood, Mackenzie [RFA Rights]
  2. Holtz, Alexander
  3. Sharangovich, Yegor [RFA Rights]
  4. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Hellebuyck, Connor ($3,083,333 retained)
2.
WPG
  1. Granlund, Mikael
  2. Petry, Jeff
  3. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Dillon, Brenden
  2. Wheeler, Blake ($4,125,000 retained)
3.
WPG
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Mysak, Jan
  3. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
4.
WPG
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (DET)
5.
6.
WPG
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (FLA)
7.
WPG
  1. Beaucage, Alex
  2. Olausson, Oskar
  3. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Scheifele, Mark ($3,062,500 retained)
8.
WPG
  1. Mantha, Anthony
  2. 2025 2nd round pick (COL)
WSH
  1. Holm, Arvid [RFA Rights]
  2. Jonsson-Fjällby, Axel [RFA Rights]
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$75,469,107$0$1,275,000$8,030,893
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,142,857$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 3
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$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,850,000$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
$2,250,000$2,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$2,166,667$2,166,667
RW
UFA - 2
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$1,775,000$1,775,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$950,000$950,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$5,875,000$5,875,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$2,250,000$2,250,000
G
UFA - 2
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$5,950,000$5,950,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$837,500$837,500
G
RFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$850,000$850,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LW
UFA - 1

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Apr. 5, 2023 at 7:03 a.m.
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actually think this is pretty good and reasonable.. they prob pick in the top 5 in 24 but still good lol
Apr. 5, 2023 at 8:18 a.m.
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Don't see the Red Wings [or many teams for that manner] paying a 2nd for a 33 y/o with one year on his contract. Pure rental
Apr. 5, 2023 at 9:45 a.m.
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That is a fair offer. HABS Accept
Apr. 5, 2023 at 9:52 a.m.
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None of the deals do anything for the Jets.
Apr. 5, 2023 at 10:07 a.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
None of the deals do anything for the Jets.


I mean, if the goal is a tear-down into a rebuild, this ACGM adds 4 1st rounders, plus 3 2nd rounders and a 3rd, in addition to Alexander Holtz & Oskar Olausson. I think it's a hell of a way to kick off a rebuild, and none of the trades are outlandishly tilted one way or the other.
Apr. 5, 2023 at 10:27 a.m.
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I mean, if the goal is a tear-down into a rebuild, this ACGM adds 4 1st rounders, plus 3 2nd rounders and a 3rd, in addition to Alexander Holtz & Oskar Olausson. I think it's a hell of a way to kick off a rebuild, and none of the trades are outlandishly tilted one way or the other.


A lot don't work either value wise or contract wise.

The Helly trade is decent value, but the Jets would need a better goalie prospect coming back.

Petry isn't waiving for Winnipeg and the Jets aren't retaining that much if they are taking back Petry's contract.

The Jets aren't trading PLD for a mid first and 2 no value pieces when they can easily get more.

The Buffalo trade is okay.

The Jets have no reason to give NN and DeMelo away for picks.

The Jets get more for Scheifele retained.

The Jets aren't getting enough to take Mantha's contract.

So while they are getting a few late firsts, they are taking an awful lot of deadweight on or selling low on retained players.
Apr. 5, 2023 at 10:27 a.m.
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@Windjammer
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I mean, if the goal is a tear-down into a rebuild, this ACGM adds 4 1st rounders, plus 3 2nd rounders and a 3rd, in addition to Alexander Holtz & Oskar Olausson. I think it's a hell of a way to kick off a rebuild, and none of the trades are outlandishly tilted one way or the other.
Plus:
As you said Holtz, is a 2020 first round pick and Olausson a first round pick for 2021
Sharangovich, had a good year last year and could rebound
Petry, Granlund, Dvorak and Mantha could return draft picks at the TDL over the next 2 years.
Apr. 5, 2023 at 10:29 a.m.
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
Windjammer
Plus:
As you said Holtz, is a 2020 first round pick and Olausson a first round pick for 2021
Sharangovich, had a good year last year and could rebound
Petry, Granlund, Dvorak and Mantha could return draft picks at the TDL over the next 2 years.


See my post above. But I always do lean to the more conservative side based on the Jets normal MO.
Apr. 5, 2023 at 10:46 a.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
A lot don't work either value wise or contract wise.

The Helly trade is decent value, but the Jets would need a better goalie prospect coming back.

Petry isn't waiving for Winnipeg and the Jets aren't retaining that much if they are taking back Petry's contract.

The Jets aren't trading PLD for a mid first and 2 no value pieces when they can easily get more.

The Buffalo trade is okay.

The Jets have no reason to give NN and DeMelo away for picks.

The Jets get more for Scheifele retained.

The Jets aren't getting enough to take Mantha's contract.

So while they are getting a few late firsts, they are taking an awful lot of deadweight on or selling low on retained players.


I'm sure if you're sending Hellebuyck, Jersey would give up one of Schmid or Daws instead of Blackwood - hell they'd probably still send Blackwood if you wanted those guys to get extra time in the AHL.

I didn't do the math in my head on the Penguins trade but yeah, doesn't need retention as it's basically cost neutral (Petry+Granlund = $11.625M, Wheeler+Dillon = $12.025M). Petry waiving is the roadblock, but if we assume he does, I think the value of Petry/Granlund/1st for Wheeler/Dillon is fair, with the extra pick maybe thrown in for retention? Maybe Pittsburgh throws in a lottery ticket prospect but I don't think you need to add a ton more here.

Not going to argue on the PLD contract - I know where you stand, and personally I think it would be stupid for Montreal to give up extra assets if PLD is so dead set on signing there anyways.

As far as sending out Nino & DeMelo for picks - there would be plenty of reason to do that if you're doing a full tear down into a rebuild, no? I would assume at some point before their contracts end you'd want to cash in those veterans for futures if you're rebuilding.

Scheifele deal isn't awful, IMO - he's scoring on an inflated shooting percentage (over 20% this year), which sounds a lot like Bo Horvat from earlier this year - Horvat got a 1st/prospect/cap dump back along with Vancouver retaining 25%; I think Scheifele getting a 1st/recent 1st round pick/B- prospect with full retention and no cap coming back is pretty comparable. If you want to lower the retention or upgrade Beaucage I can see the case but I don't think it's far off in terms of value how it's set up.

Mantha's got 1x$5.7M left on his deal - I'd argue that you don't really need to be sending back RFA rights (unless you have no desire to sign them and the Caps have interest) but the value seems fair. Sean Monhan only got dumped with a 1st rounder because the Flames desperately needed the space to sign Kadri - right now the Caps have 11 F/ 4 D (+2 RFAs) / 2 G signed for next year with $7.3M in space available, so if the price to dump his contract gets too high they can just buy him out instead (saves $4.33M in 23-24 with a $2.17M penalty in 24-25.)

Beyond the PLD trade, I think there's room to wiggle on either side, but the way the rest of these deals are structured are exactly how I'd expect a team tearing it down to act - sacrificing current future value and cap space to amass a ton of picks and prospects. Four 1st round picks in one of the most loaded drafts in recent memory is a hell of a way to kick off a rebuild - even if you package two of those to jump up to a better spot, you're still getting some strong prospects in the door right at the start of the tear down.
Apr. 5, 2023 at 11:04 a.m.
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
I'm sure if you're sending Hellebuyck, Jersey would give up one of Schmid or Daws instead of Blackwood - hell they'd probably still send Blackwood if you wanted those guys to get extra time in the AHL.

I didn't do the math in my head on the Penguins trade but yeah, doesn't need retention as it's basically cost neutral (Petry+Granlund = $11.625M, Wheeler+Dillon = $12.025M). Petry waiving is the roadblock, but if we assume he does, I think the value of Petry/Granlund/1st for Wheeler/Dillon is fair, with the extra pick maybe thrown in for retention? Maybe Pittsburgh throws in a lottery ticket prospect but I don't think you need to add a ton more here.

Not going to argue on the PLD contract - I know where you stand, and personally I think it would be stupid for Montreal to give up extra assets if PLD is so dead set on signing there anyways.

As far as sending out Nino & DeMelo for picks - there would be plenty of reason to do that if you're doing a full tear down into a rebuild, no? I would assume at some point before their contracts end you'd want to cash in those veterans for futures if you're rebuilding.

Scheifele deal isn't awful, IMO - he's scoring on an inflated shooting percentage (over 20% this year), which sounds a lot like Bo Horvat from earlier this year - Horvat got a 1st/prospect/cap dump back along with Vancouver retaining 25%; I think Scheifele getting a 1st/recent 1st round pick/B- prospect with full retention and no cap coming back is pretty comparable. If you want to lower the retention or upgrade Beaucage I can see the case but I don't think it's far off in terms of value how it's set up.

Mantha's got 1x$5.7M left on his deal - I'd argue that you don't really need to be sending back RFA rights (unless you have no desire to sign them and the Caps have interest) but the value seems fair. Sean Monhan only got dumped with a 1st rounder because the Flames desperately needed the space to sign Kadri - right now the Caps have 11 F/ 4 D (+2 RFAs) / 2 G signed for next year with $7.3M in space available, so if the price to dump his contract gets too high they can just buy him out instead (saves $4.33M in 23-24 with a $2.17M penalty in 24-25.)

Beyond the PLD trade, I think there's room to wiggle on either side, but the way the rest of these deals are structured are exactly how I'd expect a team tearing it down to act - sacrificing current future value and cap space to amass a ton of picks and prospects. Four 1st round picks in one of the most loaded drafts in recent memory is a hell of a way to kick off a rebuild - even if you package two of those to jump up to a better spot, you're still getting some strong prospects in the door right at the start of the tear down.


Okay, some of the changes you suggest do make sense and would make the deals better.

For the Pittsburgh trade they would definitely need to add more of they want the Jets to retain and take back bad contacts. It's also unlikely the Jets include Dillon.

For the PLD trade, I don't think it makes sense for Montreal or the Jets either. For Montreal, PLD isn't making them a playoff team, so why bother other than the francophone thing. For Winnipeg, Montreal doesn't have high end prospects in the areas Winnipeg needs.

For giving away Dillon, DeMelo and NN. I see what got mean about picks, but Jets need to have some players to ice a team and the picks offered aren't enough enticement to move those guys and replace them with AHL'ers.

The Scheifele trade is like the PLD trade. It's not so much the value, it's that the pieces aren't anything Winnipeg needs if they move and retain on Scheifele.

For the Washington trade, again in the vein of needing players to ice a team, I'd rather keep the two cheaper options than waste a bunch of cap on a bad player if all they are getting is a 2nd 3 drafts from now to do it.
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Apr. 5, 2023 at 11:27 a.m.
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Devils aren't a good trade partner for Hellebuyck if that's the price
 
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