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The Argument in Favor of a 10M Lafreniere Offer Sheet

Created by: Hockyluv21
Team: 2023-24 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 15, 2023
Published: Apr. 15, 2023
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Unlike conventional wisdom on the Canes board, I do not believe that the Rangers will let Lafreniere go to a key divisional rival with a $6.2M or even an $8.4M offer sheet. From a draft compensation standpoint, either package would be too small to not just go the cap dump route instead. A $10.5M offer sheet, however, would pretty much guarantee that Lafreniere is a Cane.
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1$3,500,000
1$920,000
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Apr. 15, 2023 at 6:31 p.m.
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I think you'll need to offer league max tbh
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Apr. 15, 2023 at 6:31 p.m.
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You want to give up 10.5 AND all that draft capital for laff? That’s a terrible move.
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Apr. 15, 2023 at 6:36 p.m.
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I don't see why you couldn't t just offer that in a trade and sign him to less
Apr. 15, 2023 at 6:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Ffmorgan09
You want to give up 10.5 AND all that draft capital for laff? That’s a terrible move.


I would. It's worth the shot just like KK was worth the shot. The swing is even larger than they did for KK due to the picks involved BUT the offensive upside is higher.
Apr. 15, 2023 at 6:40 p.m.
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I don't see why you couldn't t just offer that in a trade and sign him to less


Also they could just resign Meier and hope he bounces back lol
Apr. 15, 2023 at 6:45 p.m.
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Good luck with your nonsense offer sheet.
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Apr. 15, 2023 at 6:45 p.m.
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It could be done for cheaper. Assuming Miller gets around 4-4.5, this leaves them with just over 5 mil to get a backup goalie, patch up their bottom 6 and re-sign Lafreniere. Lets say they have like 3.5 left for Lafreniere after depth signings, Canes could offer 6.2 and New York would still cap strapped even if they found a way to dump Goodrow. Offer any more than that, and they can't really match without doing something drastic. Not to mention they can't being back Kane or Tarasenko in that situation unless they took huge discounts. Shouldn't take upwards of 10 in any situation really.
Apr. 15, 2023 at 6:47 p.m.
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there isnt much argument where he is worth anything more than a 1st and 3rd offer sheet.
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Apr. 15, 2023 at 6:49 p.m.
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I think you'll need to offer league max tbh


Rangers pretty much have to let it happen. The window is now, and restructuring a team to accommodate a single player who hasn't earned the contract would absolutely wreck the plan, and destroy the dressing room. If Laf were performing like a 1st line future all star it would make sense.
Apr. 15, 2023 at 6:53 p.m.
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Rangers pretty much have to let it happen. The window is now, and restructuring a team to accommodate a single player who hasn't earned the contract would absolutely wreck the plan, and destroy the dressing room. If Laf were performing like a 1st line future all star it would make sense.


Oh forsure. I, for one, would love to see the Red Wings to take a look at Laf. Obviously his role on NYR is smaller than what it can be. Plus, we do need top 6 wingers.

However I think the price (NYI 1st + 2nd + meh picks/prospects) is too high for Stevie-boy.
Apr. 15, 2023 at 7:04 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Also they could just resign Meier and hope he bounces back lol


New jersey devil timo Meier?? How would they resign him?
Apr. 15, 2023 at 7:20 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Oh forsure. I, for one, would love to see the Red Wings to take a look at Laf. Obviously his role on NYR is smaller than what it can be. Plus, we do need top 6 wingers.

However I think the price (NYI 1st + 2nd + meh picks/prospects) is too high for Stevie-boy.


I'd be ok with it being a '24 2nd. Unless someone falls or Stevie has a guy in mind for the NYI pick, I'd be ok sacrificing that 1st. Yes, this draft is deep, and a pick at 20 might be more like picking 10 in a normal draft, those picks are almost always high risk/reward (Caulfield) or low risk lower floor (Rasmussen). Laf is looking for a change of scenery, but he might just be a good middle 6 guy for a ceiling. I'd almost rather swap Zadina for Laf, and give up the NYI pick conditionally depending on both players' performance.
Apr. 15, 2023 at 7:26 p.m.
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I'd be ok with it being a '24 2nd. Unless someone falls or Stevie has a guy in mind for the NYI pick, I'd be ok sacrificing that 1st. Yes, this draft is deep, and a pick at 20 might be more like picking 10 in a normal draft, those picks are almost always high risk/reward (Caulfield) or low risk lower floor (Rasmussen). Laf is looking for a change of scenery, but he might just be a good middle 6 guy for a ceiling. I'd almost rather swap Zadina for Laf, and give up the NYI pick conditionally depending on both players' performance.


The key is if you think that Laf would prefer a rebuilding Detroit over a true contender in Carolina, particularly because unlike the Wings, the Canes can afford to trade two 1sts with how low their picks are likely to be in 2024 and 2025.
Apr. 15, 2023 at 7:38 p.m.
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The key is if you think that Laf would prefer a rebuilding Detroit over a true contender in Carolina, particularly because unlike the Wings, the Canes can afford to trade two 1sts with how low their picks are likely to be in 2024 and 2025.


I think Lafrienere knowing he's being offered a position for him to turn into the player he wants to be is more enticing to him than being buried by depth similar to the Rangers.
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Apr. 15, 2023 at 7:39 p.m.
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New jersey devil timo Meier?? How would they resign him?


Mixing up Carolina and NJD; they're the same team to me.
Apr. 15, 2023 at 7:40 p.m.
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What is the point of this? Canes can get a much better, and much cheaper winger instead. 6.1 for KK was a stretch, 10.5 for Laf is just absurd
Apr. 15, 2023 at 7:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Hockyluv21
The key is if you think that Laf would prefer a rebuilding Detroit over a true contender in Carolina, particularly because unlike the Wings, the Canes can afford to trade two 1sts with how low their picks are likely to be in 2024 and 2025.


Like Joe was saying, Laf needs opportunity. The Wings are ascending, and who wouldn't want to be a part of that core that takes the team from playoff hopeful to cup hopeful? Carolina is perpetually good, but rarely good enough to be great. Laf could take the opportunity to become the marquee stud not seen since...Eric Staal? No offense to Aho, he is awesome, but it is not often you hear people talking about elite players, and then hear Aho's name mentioned with Kucherov, McDavid,, even Stutzle or the Tkachuks. Laf might become that Patric Kane or Ovi for Carolina, but man...Carolina has a way of getting everyone to just above the median (as in below average players become above average, while near elite players drop to above average). Minnesota and Nashville often see this problem too.
Apr. 15, 2023 at 8:29 p.m.
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It could be done for cheaper. Assuming Miller gets around 4-4.5, this leaves them with just over 5 mil to get a backup goalie, patch up their bottom 6 and re-sign Lafreniere. Lets say they have like 3.5 left for Lafreniere after depth signings, Canes could offer 6.2 and New York would still cap strapped even if they found a way to dump Goodrow. Offer any more than that, and they can't really match without doing something drastic. Not to mention they can't being back Kane or Tarasenko in that situation unless they took huge discounts. Shouldn't take upwards of 10 in any situation really.


We would look at moving Kreider. Letting Laf walk for 2 late firsts would likely destroy what we're working on.
Apr. 15, 2023 at 8:33 p.m.
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I'd be ok with it being a '24 2nd. Unless someone falls or Stevie has a guy in mind for the NYI pick, I'd be ok sacrificing that 1st. Yes, this draft is deep, and a pick at 20 might be more like picking 10 in a normal draft, those picks are almost always high risk/reward (Caulfield) or low risk lower floor (Rasmussen). Laf is looking for a change of scenery, but he might just be a good middle 6 guy for a ceiling. I'd almost rather swap Zadina for Laf, and give up the NYI pick conditionally depending on both players' performance.


laf isnt looking for a change in scenery. He's never made any comment of dissatisfaction. He's been in the league for 3 years, and he's been in the playoffs twice.
He's gotten more and more ice time and responsibility each season, and while he knows he's not earning a league max contract, he also knows the rangers won't hesisitate to lock him up and pay him once they have the money. They're well known to pay their players.
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Apr. 15, 2023 at 8:35 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
I think Lafrienere knowing he's being offered a position for him to turn into the player he wants to be is more enticing to him than being buried by depth similar to the Rangers.


You mean laf gets to play with 35 year old staal, and 21 year old jarvis, as opposed to chytil and kakko, who are both ascending.
Laf is likely on our 2nd line next season, with kreider sliding down to the third line.
Laf will be the player he is supposed to be, but with the benefit of not having had to miss the playoffs for 4 straight years like say stutzle
Apr. 15, 2023 at 10:00 p.m.
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Edited Apr. 15, 2023 at 10:58 p.m.
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You mean laf gets to play with 35 year old staal, and 21 year old jarvis, as opposed to chytil and kakko, who are both ascending.
Laf is likely on our 2nd line next season, with kreider sliding down to the third line.
Laf will be the player he is supposed to be, but with the benefit of not having had to miss the playoffs for 4 straight years like say stutzle


Oh you're some Rangers fan arguing about a hypothetical. I'm sure he'd rather stay in NYR than go to another team where he'll just be the same depthed out player.
As for a team where he'll get a bigger role? Maybe. Looking at it from the NYR side, he'll probably get a 6M contract. Does NY pay him that? We'll see.
 
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