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Joshua Roy is something else. He has really taken his game to the next level in the QMJHL playoffs (9-9-18 in 6 games)!

He's scores, he passes, he's defensively responsible and he's not resting on his laurels but is working every day to get better and to put together an NHL caliber game. He really steps up in big moments as well, like at the WJC.

I think he makes the Habs next year, but maybe he'll need some AHL time, who knows? Trevor Timmins stole one here guys. No other way to see it.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 7:19 a.m.
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Zadina, Drouin and Mantha lit up the Q too.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 7:51 a.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
Zadina, Drouin and Mantha lit up the Q too.


Yeah, but to be fair, they were all first-round draft picks, not fifth-rounders, which is the OP's point.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 8:03 a.m.
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Yeah, but to be fair, they were all first-round draft picks, not fifth-rounders, which is the OP's point.


It's just a reminder that just because a player dominates the Q doesn't necessarily mean it'll carry over to the NHL.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 8:07 a.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
It's just a reminder that just because a player dominates the Q doesn't necessarily mean it'll carry over to the NHL.


I understand that. In fact the thing I am so excited about are the changes to his game this year in the Q. He has clearly altered his game to take a responsible defensive approach. Had he played run and gun hockey he might have have hit 140 points, but he focused on his 2-way game and on attacking the middle of the ice on offence.

It's exciting to see development in action. Under our previous regime these players did not get advice at this level in the changes they need to make to actually make the NHL.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 8:13 a.m.
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I understand that. In fact the thing I am so excited about are the changes to his game this year in the Q. He has clearly altered his game to take a responsible defensive approach. Had he played run and gun hockey he might have have hit 140 points, but he focused on his 2-way game and on attacking the middle of the ice on offence.

It's exciting to see development in action. Under our previous regime these players did not get advice at this level in the changes they need to make to actually make the NHL.


I hope the kid pans out. I like to see low round picks make it to the NHL and become good players. I just remember being so excited about Mantha and then realizing why he dropped in the draft. He's a talented but lazy Floater with no work ethic.

Zadina was rated 3rd going into his draft and put up great numbers in the Q. It was Fools Gold. He was drafted to score goals and he doesn't score any goals.

The good thing is that Roy doesn't have a work ethic problem and seems to be overachieving. He didn't look out of place at the WJC.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 8:24 a.m.
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I hope the kid pans out. I like to see low round picks make it to the NHL and become good players. I just remember being so excited about Mantha and then realizing why he dropped in the draft. He's a talented but lazy Floater with no work ethic.

Zadina was rated 3rd going into his draft and put up great numbers in the Q. It was Fools Gold. He was drafted to score goals and he doesn't score any goals.

The good thing is that Roy doesn't have a work ethic problem and seems to be overachieving. He didn't look out of place at the WJC.


Not sure what happened with Zadina since Detroit historically has one of the strongest player development (at least they did back in the Datsyuk days) organizations. Some players suffer from being uncoachable. Galchenyuk for example would only listen to his dad and would not listen to his coaches and it ranked his career.

I don't think Roy has an attitude problem though. He seems to be a great team guy.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 8:29 a.m.
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Not sure what happened with Zadina since Detroit historically has one of the strongest player development (at least they did back in the Datsyuk days) organizations. Some players suffer from being uncoachable. Galchenyuk for example would only listen to his dad and would not listen to his coaches and it ranked his career.

I don't think Roy has an attitude problem though. He seems to be a great team guy.


Zadina scored a lot of his goals in the Q with his shot and it just never translated at the NHL level. Less time and space, faster, bigger, stronger players, better goalies, etc.

It's not an effort problem. But he gets frustrated so easily. Scouts just became so enamoured with him because of his scoring numbers. He was a Kenny Holland pick. I wanted Quinn Hughes as our biggest need was D.

I would've also settled for Dobson or Bouchard but Kenny couldn't resist shiny toy syndrome.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 8:58 a.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
I hope the kid pans out. I like to see low round picks make it to the NHL and become good players. I just remember being so excited about Mantha and then realizing why he dropped in the draft. He's a talented but lazy Floater with no work ethic.

Zadina was rated 3rd going into his draft and put up great numbers in the Q. It was Fools Gold. He was drafted to score goals and he doesn't score any goals.

The good thing is that Roy doesn't have a work ethic problem and seems to be overachieving. He didn't look out of place at the WJC.


He actually had a work ethic problem in his draft year, he was 20lbs overweight! That's why he went in the 5th round. Formerly, he went 1st overall in the QMJHL entry draft! Just a little fun fact. So the talent was never in question with Roy.

That being said, he completely changed his character, got on a diet and changed the way he plays hockey and has turned himself into a superstar 2 way winger prospect.

Lastly, you said he "didn't look out of place" at the WJC, he was one of Canada's top 3 players voted by the team, so I that's an understatement lol.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 9:09 a.m.
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He actually had a work ethic problem in his draft year, he was 20lbs overweight! That's why he went in the 5th round. Formerly, he went 1st overall in the QMJHL entry draft! Just a little fun fact. So the talent was never in question with Roy.

That being said, he completely changed his character, got on a diet and changed the way he plays hockey and has turned himself into a superstar 2 way winger prospect.

Lastly, you said he "didn't look out of place" at the WJC, he was one of Canada's top 3 players voted by the team, so I that's an understatement lol.


Oh my bad. So you wanted me to say he's Mario Lemieux? It's essentially what you're saying. Sorry I won't say that.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 9:26 a.m.
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He actually had a work ethic problem in his draft year, he was 20lbs overweight! That's why he went in the 5th round. Formerly, he went 1st overall in the QMJHL entry draft! Just a little fun fact. So the talent was never in question with Roy.

That being said, he completely changed his character, got on a diet and changed the way he plays hockey and has turned himself into a superstar 2 way winger prospect.

Lastly, you said he "didn't look out of place" at the WJC, he was one of Canada's top 3 players voted by the team, so I that's an understatement lol.


I actually think he was playing out east and his comprehension of English at the time was pretty poor. He had a tough time acclimating for sure.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 9:28 a.m.
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Oh my bad. So you wanted me to say he's Mario Lemieux? It's essentially what you're saying. Sorry I won't say that.


I agree he is overachieving. I think he will be a middle 6 player who can also take some PP minutes in the NHL. Overachieving is more fun than underacheiving!
Apr. 16, 2023 at 9:31 a.m.
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Oh my bad. So you wanted me to say he's Mario Lemieux? It's essentially what you're saying. Sorry I won't say that.


I was just making you aware of his background because the context of his development is important to understand when evaluating Roy. I never made any future projections on him besides saying he's a superstar prospect right now.

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I agree he is overachieving. I think he will be a middle 6 player who can also take some PP minutes in the NHL. Overachieving is more fun than underacheiving!


I think at this point in time, that would be his floor, given the way he's shown to be an adaptable smart player I can't really picture him not being anything less than this.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 9:43 a.m.
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Thanks for mentioning Roy and his successful year. Wish him all the best. But fans should be leery of any "stats" in junior, NCAA, the AHL or the European leagues. Good stats in those leagues don't necessarily mean success, or even a one game in the NHL.

One of the greatest lines ever in the Quebec League, were the "Three Denis". All three great scorers. The centre.....Hall of Famer Denis Savard. Right Wing.....Denis Cyr, had a nice NHL career. Left Wing, Denis Tremblay, twenty five year career as Canada Post Letter Carrier.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 10:07 a.m.
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I actually think he was playing out east and his comprehension of English at the time was pretty poor. He had a tough time acclimating for sure.


i am happy to say john that i agree with you.. I was so impressed with him at the juniours and he was the second best player on the team after bedard... and the Q is just too easy for him.... he is ready I think and as next year is a development year for our forwards i think he will make the team... His Hockey IQ is off the charts and I think he and beck have good chances to make the team next year.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 10:11 a.m.
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I hope the kid pans out. I like to see low round picks make it to the NHL and become good players. I just remember being so excited about Mantha and then realizing why he dropped in the draft. He's a talented but lazy Floater with no work ethic.

Zadina was rated 3rd going into his draft and put up great numbers in the Q. It was Fools Gold. He was drafted to score goals and he doesn't score any goals.

Roy didnt look out of place are you kiding me he was the second best player on the team and he set up the golden goal with the most beautiful pass.. you just knew he was gonna end it....And Bedard loves playing with roy....Would be awesome if we get Bedard too.. i know dreaming right...

The good thing is that Roy doesn't have a work ethic problem and seems to be overachieving. He didn't look out of place at the WJC.
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Thanks for mentioning Roy and his successful year. Wish him all the best. But fans should be leery of any "stats" in junior, NCAA, the AHL or the European leagues. Good stats in those leagues don't necessarily mean success, or even a one game in the NHL.

One of the greatest lines ever in the Quebec League, were the "Three Denis". All three great scorers. The centre.....Hall of Famer Denis Savard. Right Wing.....Denis Cyr, had a nice NHL career. Left Wing, Denis Tremblay, twenty five year career as Canada Post Letter Carrier.


This is true but all the great players had good stats too... It just doesnt guarantee it.... which is true but i got a really good Feel about roy and Beck more than i do about Farrell or Mesar and Heinemann.... I expect our failures will be in the last three and that Beck will become a third line center and roy a smart top six forward who just using his smarts and skills.. and who better for roy to learn from than St. Louis
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 10:16 a.m.
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oh and no Tarasenko i would much prefer dubois
Apr. 16, 2023 at 10:39 a.m.
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I was just making you aware of his background because the context of his development is important to understand when evaluating Roy. I never made any future projections on him besides saying he's a superstar prospect right now.



I think at this point in time, that would be his floor, given the way he's shown to be an adaptable smart player I can't really picture him not being anything less than this.


His floor is not a middle 6 player lmao
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His floor is not a middle 6 player lmao

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oh and no Tarasenko i would much prefer dubois


Dubois is not a player you get for free. We could use Tarasenko until some of the kids mature. Josh Roy for example could grow to replace him in a few years.

I would rather sign Tarasenko than trade the Florida 1st++ for Dubois
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This is true but all the great players had good stats too... It just doesnt guarantee it.... which is true but i got a really good Feel about roy and Beck more than i do about Farrell or Mesar and Heinemann.... I expect our failures will be in the last three and that Beck will become a third line center and roy a smart top six forward who just using his smarts and skills.. and who better for roy to learn from than St. Louis


I think you are not giving Heineman enough credit. He'll make the Habs next season.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 5:22 p.m.
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His floor is not a middle 6 player lmao


yes it is. I guess you could say his floor is never making the NHL but if were being realistic there's a much higher chance that he ends up a 3rd liner than an AHLer. Therefore as of right now his floor is looking like a 3rd liner.

He's got every attribute of a successful NHLer, and the production go along with it. He's proven twice at the WJC that hes just as good playing on the 4th line than he is playing with Conor Bedard on the first.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 5:46 p.m.
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yes it is. I guess you could say his floor is never making the NHL but if were being realistic there's a much higher chance that he ends up a 3rd liner than an AHLer. Therefore as of right now his floor is looking like a 3rd liner.

He's got every attribute of a successful NHLer, and the production go along with it. He's proven twice at the WJC that hes just as good playing on the 4th line than he is playing with Conor Bedard on the first.


If you define floor as "most likely outcome" sure. You could also just say he projects as a 3rd liner
Apr. 16, 2023 at 6:08 p.m.
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Quoting: MarcBergevin69
yes it is. I guess you could say his floor is never making the NHL but if were being realistic there's a much higher chance that he ends up a 3rd liner than an AHLer. Therefore as of right now his floor is looking like a 3rd liner.

He's got every attribute of a successful NHLer, and the production go along with it. He's proven twice at the WJC that hes just as good playing on the 4th line than he is playing with Conor Bedard on the first.


Nobody's floor is an NHL player. That is simply ignorant to say. His floor is AHL callup. His ceiling is 2nd line winger
Apr. 16, 2023 at 7:15 p.m.
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Nobody's floor is an NHL player. That is simply ignorant to say. His floor is AHL callup. His ceiling is 2nd line winger


petterson's floor was pretty clearly an NHL player. It's pretty easy to project certain players to be NHLers 2-3 years after their draft year. Its by no means arrogant.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 7:17 p.m.
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If you define floor as "most likely outcome" sure. You could also just say he projects as a 3rd liner


most likely outcome in my opinion is a 2nd liner for Roy, worst case-a-nario he's just a useful 3rd liner. His hockey IQ is too good to not pan out as a somewhat impactful NHLer, never mind his above average puck handling, shooting and passing.
 
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