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Team: 2023-24 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 16, 2023
Published: Apr. 16, 2023
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  1. Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 12:46 p.m.
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I fail to see how this makes the slightest sense for Buffalo.

Mittelstadt and Olofsson are each far better than Puljujarvi and Morrow isn't nearly good enough to make up the difference.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 12:57 p.m.
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Buffalo passes hard
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 1:00 p.m.
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Quoting: sens65
I fail to see how this makes the slightest sense for Buffalo.

Mittelstadt and Olofsson are each far better than Puljujarvi and Morrow isn't nearly good enough to make up the difference.


honestly wasn't sure on Morrows value; but thought this was an interesting idea as Mitts could fill the canes 2C role long-term for ~5 mil and Morrow could be Powers long term partner - big at 6 foot 2 - and grow up in CT relatively close to New York
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 1:01 p.m.
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Buffalo passes hard


If canes throw some picks and take out Pool party does it at least start a conversation? I feel like these pieces are a good fit for both sides
Apr. 16, 2023 at 1:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Ihopeigetit
honestly wasn't sure on Morrows value; but thought this was an interesting idea as Mitts could fill the canes 2C role long-term for ~5 mil and Morrow could be Powers long term partner - big at 6 foot 2 - and grow up in CT relatively close to New York


The Canes have no need for a 2C since they already have one. KK has been excellent this year, as he has been nothing short of elite defensively and has improved offensively. Besides, Canes aren’t moving Morrow and they just got JP, who is likely to be Fast’s replacement. It’s also way too early to start sending top prospects for Mittelstadt after having a career year. This season, right now is an outlier, not the norm. Until he shows that it is the norm, best offer you might get for Mitts and Olofsson half retained is 2 2nds or a 1st and 3rd.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 2:02 p.m.
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honestly wasn't sure on Morrows value; but thought this was an interesting idea as Mitts could fill the canes 2C role long-term for ~5 mil and Morrow could be Powers long term partner - big at 6 foot 2 - and grow up in CT relatively close to New York


This offer would get you Olofsson and you would have to convince the Sabres to retain money somehow.

Mittelstadt is not a "struggling young player" anymore, he had 59 points this year and Buffalo would be stupid to trade him.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 2:22 p.m.
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Edited Apr. 16, 2023 at 2:54 p.m.
Quoting: Ihopeigetit
If canes throw some picks and take out Pool party does it at least start a conversation? I feel like these pieces are a good fit for both sides
Yes it does help both sides but Buffalo would say no.
Quoting: sens65
This offer would get you Olofsson and you would have to convince the Sabres to retain money somehow.
Mittelstadt is not a "struggling young player" anymore, he had 59 points this year and Buffalo would be stupid to trade him.
You expressed it perfectly.
Casey is not going anywhere now.

Quoting: evelutions2
...best offer you might get for Mitts and Olofsson half retained is 2 2nds or a 1st and 3rd.
So tell me my friend, the Sabres will offer you PHI 2023 second for Kotkaniemi without any retention.
That is nearly a first, so it is more than what you think Casey will return.
You should be all set to jump at this offer as Jesperi scored only 43 pts compared to Casey's 59.
EDIT: let me add, Jesperi was one year after MIttelstadt, so they are nearly the same age.
Casey's two previous years he played a total of 81 games with 16 goals and 41 pts, nearly identical to Jesperi's this year in 82 games of 18 goals and 43 pts.
You should absolutely think the Flyers second of this year is a fair price for your #2 center who is paid twice what Casey is paid.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 2:52 p.m.
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So tell me my friend, the Sabres will offer you PHI 2023 second for Kotkaniemi without any retention.
That is nearly a first, so it is more than what you think Casey will return.
You should be all set to jump at this offer as Jesperi scored only 43 pts compared to Casey's 59.


Considering that Mitts only had a career high of 25 points and couldn’t stay healthy for crap the previous 4 seasons, the concern for a massive production jump is warranted. Mitts also accomplished his point totals this year whilst, and correct me if I’m wrong here, playing mostly LW. So the argument of him being a 2C is already invalid, especially since he wouldn’t have had an opportunity to even be a 2C in Buffalo. Which also means you can’t exactly compare him to KK.

Mitts is much like Barbashev in that respect. Barbashev only returned a prospect, who could be valued at a 2nd round pick, or a very late 1st rounder, depending on who you ask. Now keeping that comparison in mind, where exactly am I in the wrong for making that statement that I did? Value might be slightly off when using that comparison, but not by that much. I mean, Olofsson half retained going for either a 2nd or 3rd is apparently fair value, and using the Barbashev comparable would put the offer I made at about fair.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 3:18 p.m.
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Considering that Mitts only had a career high of 25 points and couldn’t stay healthy for crap the previous 4 seasons how many games has Jesperi missed in the previous three seasons? 88?, the concern for a massive production jump is warranted. Mitts also accomplished his point totals this year whilst, and correct me if I’m wrong here, playing mostly LW. So the argument of him being a 2C is already invalid, especially since he wouldn’t have had an opportunity to even be a 2C in Buffalo. Which also means you can’t exactly compare him to KK.

Mitts is much like Barbashev in that respect. Barbashev only returned a prospect, who could be valued at a 2nd round pick, or a very late 1st rounder, depending on who you ask. Now keeping that comparison in mind, where exactly am I in the wrong for making that statement that I did? Value might be slightly off when using that comparison, but not by that much. I mean, Olofsson half retained going for either a 2nd or 3rd is apparently fair value, and using the Barbashev comparable would put the offer I made at about fair.


So you accept the Flyers second for Jesperi then, because you just proved it to be the correct value.
You qouted my post before my edit, go back and read the EDIT.

Casey was injured ONLY last year, he was a healthy scratch under Krueger and is the ONLY Sabre to play every game this year.

St Louis wanted to get younder and move on from Barbashev who at 27 never exceeded 30 pts in any season prior to 21-22.
Zachary Dean is an excellent prospect who will most likely exceed Barbashev's production in a couple of years.

So you accept the Flyers second is a fair offer for Jesperi, you have to if you THINK Casey is worth only a second.
If you do not then you need to admit Casey will return much more than a second as he is performing at a higher level than Jesperi.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 4:33 p.m.
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
So you accept the Flyers second for Jesperi then, because you just proved it to be the correct value.
You qouted my post before my edit, go back and read the EDIT.

Casey was injured ONLY last year, he was a healthy scratch under Krueger and is the ONLY Sabre to play every game this year.

St Louis wanted to get younder and move on from Barbashev who at 27 never exceeded 30 pts in any season prior to 21-22.
Zachary Dean is an excellent prospect who will most likely exceed Barbashev's production in a couple of years.

So you accept the Flyers second is a fair offer for Jesperi, you have to if you THINK Casey is worth only a second.
If you do not then you need to admit Casey will return much more than a second as he is performing at a higher level than Jesperi.



How exactly did I prove that KK’s value is only a 2nd? Barbashev value as a winger, was at a 2nd. Mitts is also a winger, not a center. The age difference between Barbashev and Mitts is about 2-3 years, and the same criteria you listed for Barbashev, would still apply to Mitts, with the offense showing up this year rather than last. Why else should I think differently about the value difference between Barbashev and Mitts, cause it seems like their value is pretty close.

Not to mention, another difference between Mitts and KK is Mitts is in an offense first system, whereas KK is in a defense first system. Just the basis of their respective systems has influenced their production. As for your comment on injuries, have you forgotten about the 2 shortened seasons, cause KK missed about 50 total games, if even that, due to injuries. And you have to forgive me on not knowing that a former coach would scratch a player every other game. That really must be common knowledge for someone who doesn’t follow the Sabres.

Why would I accept the value you proposed for KK when I know that you are attempting to troll? I gave my estimation on Mitts, and might I remind you that I don’t follow the team, and thought him to be worth a late 1st or 2nd. The only times I even care to watch him are when a team I actually cheer for is at the other end of the ice. So how would I know what his true value is, when the only thing I see are stat lines, that for previous seasons were mediocre at best with a sudden massive jump.

Frankly, we can agree to disagree. I don’t have anymore time to waste on a useless debate.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 5:54 p.m.
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Sabres are not trading Mittelstadt, regardless the price.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 6:06 p.m.
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How exactly did I prove that KK’s value is only a 2nd? Barbashev value as a winger, was at a 2nd. (no it was not a 2nd, a first round prospect was given up for his services who is free to walk at the end of the season) Mitts is also a winger, not a center Casey is signed for half of Jasperi for another year and will still be an RFA. The age difference between Barbashev and Mitts is about 2-3 years, and the same criteria you listed for Barbashev, would still apply to Mitts, with the offense showing up this year rather than last. Why else should I think differently about the value difference between Barbashev and Mitts, cause it seems like their value is pretty close. Ivan was drafted in 2014, Casey in 2017 and Jasperi in 2018. Three draft difference between Ivan and Casey and only 1 draft year difference between Casey and Jasperi.

Not to mention, another difference between Mitts and KK is Mitts is in an offense first system, whereas KK is in a defense first system. Just the basis of their respective systems has influenced their production. As for your comment on injuries, have you forgotten about the 2 shortened seasons, cause KK missed about 50 total games, if even that, due to injuries. And you have to forgive me on not knowing that a former coach would scratch a player every other game. That really must be common knowledge for someone who doesn’t follow the Sabres.

Why would I accept the value you proposed for KK when I know that you are attempting to troll? I am not a troll, and never would be, but you are biased and will not admit to it, I gave my estimation on Mitts, and might I remind you that I don’t follow the team, and thought him to be worth a late 1st or 2nd (no you said a second, you are making it up again). The only times I even care to watch him are when a team I actually cheer for is at the other end of the ice. So how would I know what his true value is, when the only thing I see are stat lines, that for previous seasons were mediocre at best with a sudden massive jump. Since you do not know his true value, listen to me and to a third party @sens65 or another Sabre fan @GARYMCKALE or to the poster @Ihopeigetit who will actually listen to comments.

Frankly, we can agree to disagree. I don’t have anymore time to waste on a useless debate. That would be the smartest comment as you are not listening to other people who know more than you.


You really want to ignore facts.
Casey's last two seasons production were equal to Jesperi's production this season.
Since they were drafted one year apart, Casey was essentially the same age or younger when his offensive production equalled Jesperi.
But you continue to assert Casey's value is MUCH LESS than Jesperi when in reality proven by your comments.

Your proven bias was obviously demonstrated https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/699688?post_id=3994776
The trade sent
Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
to Buffalo For
Mittelstadt, Casey
Olofsson, Victor ($2,250,000 retained)

You commented "You can just keep Mitts for that price."
Olofsson at $2,500,000 is significantly better than Puljujarvi at $3,000,000
Yet you some how thought a "B" prospect was BETTER than a 59 pt forward.

Take off your CANE colored glasses and wake up to reality of life.
Apr. 16, 2023 at 6:11 p.m.
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Sabres are not trading Mittelstadt, regardless the price.
As you can see I have engaged in a rather lengthy conversation with @evelutions2.
He thinks this trade is really bad for Carolina and Casey has the value of an early second at best a late first.
You do not need to read, Casey has significantly out performed Jesperi but thinks Kotkaniemi is significantly more valuable than Casey when Casey is paid half as much.
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Apr. 16, 2023 at 6:55 p.m.
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
You really want to ignore facts.
Casey's last two seasons production were equal to Jesperi's production this season.
Since they were drafted one year apart, Casey was essentially the same age or younger when his offensive production equalled Jesperi.
But you continue to assert Casey's value is MUCH LESS than Jesperi when in reality proven by your comments.

Your proven bias was obviously demonstrated https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/699688?post_id=3994776
The trade sent
Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
to Buffalo For
Mittelstadt, Casey
Olofsson, Victor ($2,250,000 retained)

You commented "You can just keep Mitts for that price."
Olofsson at $2,500,000 is significantly better than Puljujarvi at $3,000,000
Yet you some how thought a "B" prospect was BETTER than a 59 pt forward.

Take off your CANE colored glasses and wake up to reality of life.

Ah yes, because my opinion is complete bias. I’m sure that your opinion on this matter isn’t biased either. Pardon me for choosing someone who has the potential to be a really good top pairing RHD over 2 guys that, frankly, would be hard pressed to even get top 6 minutes on the Canes. Position wise it doesn’t make sense for the Canes, especially with how many LW the Canes already have.

And if I may make a couple of corrections to statements you made that were false. If you look at my original comment, I was accounting for the value of both players, not just 1 or the other, and implied that Mitts would be worth either a 2nd or late first, based on seeing just about every Olofsson trade returning either a 2nd or a 3rd. As for my comment in the other post, when did I ever say that a prospect is better than someone who put up points in the NHL? Because I don’t think that, and you are just putting words in my mouth. What I was thinking though, was that it would be better asset management to keep the quality RHD that the Canes drafted rather than move him for 2 guys that are, basically, a dime a dozen. I mean, with the exuberant prices for top pairing RHD, teams are better off drafting their own. And with the Canes not exacting having another RHD prospect of Morrow’s caliber, it would be unwise to move him unless it’s for someone that will truly put the team over the edge.

But one thing I have learned from this whole debacle is that you get butt hurt when you see opinions you don’t like. So grow a thicker skin and have a nice day.
 
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