What's happened to my fellow Pens fans on here?

Stop acting like Petry is a cap dump. Please. It only leads to other fans continuing to try and fleece us. Petry had a slow start, but a very solid season. He has real value.

Also the Granlund buyout is BAD. It jumps to a $1.8M for FOUR years.

What about a boqvist for MP swap?

I think so too but for the purpose of not getting destroyed by certain fans I just did this. But I agree with you. The Granlund buyout is fine. The way I see it is that we have probably 1 more year of contending for a cup maybe 2. We will have the space to pay the buyout because we will be in a retool/rebuild

I personally wouldnt. I think POJ or Smith is the only LD id move for Bodqvist. Pettersson just had a great year and hes arguably a top 5 defensive defenseman. What do you think of this trade though?

I think the jackets only move boqvist for a first or a top 4 LD. They need immediate help on the left side and I’m not sure POJ is. He might be good in a few years but by that time Svozil and Mateychuck would take his roster spot. I think they would rather go after graves or soucy in free agency

Understandable however POJ had a good year. He had better numbers than Soucy I believe

Yeah I do think it’s fair value wise. Jarmo is going to be very aggressive upgrading the roster. I think if he does a hockey trade with boqvist it will be for an experienced shutdown LD. Soucy would most likely be a Jake bean replacement

Petry had a solid season but he definitely has zero value. Nobody wants his contract at his age. The Granlund buyout is definitely worth it.

Personally, I wouldn't create AGMs to appease fans. Most of them on here are completely clueless. Stick to your guns.

The window of Sid and Geno being over point per game players is probably gone in two years, but that doesn't mean they're done. With growing cap space, there's a realm of possibilities on how this team can be constructed. We don't know which players will decide to test FA, etc... To me, you keep this going until Sid and Geno hang them up. That cap space is valuable and personally, I'd rather move a 2nd to get Granlund out of here.

I do think Petry has some value to teams. Pens might need to add something but the Pens should not get totally fleeced on a deal. Like a 1st rd pick that some people think is required.......not happen

I would not do the Granlund buyout, I would rather see if he has a better year with us then buy him out.

Once again agree with you I just went with the easier route

To say he has zero value is absolutely insane, my man. I'm not saying he's worth a 1st or anything, but he absolutely has value. RHDs who can put up 40+ points and handle top-four minutes, no matter the age, will always have value.

Very solid season? umm no. He is better than his detractors say but he isn't anywhere near what you're saying. And in this cap crunch world he would cost us to move.

Wrong. He brought exactly what he was brought in to do.

Buying out Granlund is a waste when we can put him on waivers and if he clears he can rot for a year in WBS.

That trade was utterly abysmal. We got slower and older, two things that are never good. Petry was a defensive liability and although not as bad as in Montreal, he was still a turnover machine.

We're not talking about the trade. That's a completely different argument.

We're talking ONLY about Petry's performance. He started slow until he got acclimated and finished the season on a 40+ point pace playing the 2nd pair and played the 2nd PP unit. He filled in for Letang when needed. Brought the physical presence he always does. He was average-ish defensively which is what he always was; he was never THAT good defensively. I'm not sure you understand how good that is. Overpaid? Yeah, maybe by a million, but he did what he was supposed to do.

Waiving's a possibility for sure. What's his burying cost though?

You can be a solid player and not have any value.

Crap teams that are rebuilding have no reason to take him. Good teams that are contending don't have the cap space. Middle teams would rather just use that money to sign someone else. Sure you might get someone to bite if you retain half or add a sweetener - but nobody is going to be offering you things of value for him.

Wrong

Wow what an excellent and well thought out argument. You can tell you're right because of how in depth you went proving and explaining your point.

I made my point previously. No need to repeat myself.

And I explained how your point was wrong. That's usually where adults come back with a counter point or something like that.

Petry is either staying here or he's a cap dump. Im open to hearing all of these teams that would be fighting to give up valuable assets for Petry.

You explained why you THINK my point is wrong. I appreciate that, but you're wrong. That's all.

1) I don't feel the need to re-explain.
2) I don't think the Pens should move Petry.

Also, stating he has value doesn't imply a specific degree value. You're extrapolating a lot.