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Just toying with some ideas

Created by: Campabee
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 22, 2023
Published: Apr. 22, 2023
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Description
Not sure if there is a market for Allen, perhaps we have to pay to dump him at this point but imo we need to move on to 1 year backups rather than a tandem.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$775,000
3$775,000
3$850,000
2$850,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$8,250,000
8$8,250,000
2$1,250,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$6,250,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
1$3,250,000
1$3,250,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Dragicevic, Lukas
3$850,000
Smith, Will
3$850,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
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WPG
  1. Hoffman, Mike
  2. Kidney, Riley
  3. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
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Top 10 protected
2.
MTL
  1. 2024 4th round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Allen, Jake
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Picked the Wings cause they could be a playoff team next year and Allen could be a good backup to Husso but could be any playoff team and retention could be added if needed
3.
4.
MTL
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (LAK)
5.
MTL
  1. 2025 3rd round pick (TBL)
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Upgrades to a 2nd if Eddy plays 50% of their games in 2023-24
TBL
  1. Edmundson, Joel ($1,750,000 retained)
Buyouts
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2023
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2024
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2025
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23$83,500,000$80,764,999$1,170,000$4,252,500$2,735,001
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,250,000$8,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
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$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 3
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
$8,250,000$8,250,000
C
UFA - 8
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$835,000$835,000 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
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$897,500$897,500
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
$6,250,000$6,250,000
RD
UFA - 8
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
RD
RFA - 1
$3,250,000$3,250,000
G
UFA - 2
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$828,333$828,333
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2

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Apr. 22, 2023 at 4:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Lancebmx
You could argue that the defense in front of him was quite suspect this season too. Habs are just better off playing him and Monty next season and hoping he rebounds. Probably the most likely scenario as I don't see the Habs wanting to pay to dump a goalie they could really just send down to the minors.


The problem is Primeau is no longer waiver exempt and would likely be claimed if sent down.
Apr. 22, 2023 at 4:51 p.m.
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Yeah like I said in the description and and previously in the thread, I wasn't sure there would be interest and I have serious doubts that there is even a market for Allen this offseason. He has declined so fast, I would compare him to Kinkade.


You also said it in your response to @JoeROFLCOPTER comment and I agree but it's not just Allen there isn't much of a need to trade for backup goalies when you can sign an UFA with similar stats.
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Apr. 22, 2023 at 5:13 p.m.
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Dvorak simply just sucks. Beauvillier is better and younger


Beauvillier (Age: 25-318d)
- 457 GP, 102 G, 107 A, 209 P (0.457 P/GP)

Dvorak (Age: 27-079d)
- 422 GP, 88 G, 119 A, 207 P (0.491 P/GP)

The two players are extremely comparable.
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Apr. 22, 2023 at 5:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Shanesaw9
Beauvillier (Age: 25-318d)
- 457 GP, 102 G, 107 A, 209 P (0.457 P/GP)

Dvorak (Age: 27-079d)
- 422 GP, 88 G, 119 A, 207 P (0.491 P/GP)

The two players are extremely comparable.


Now look at their defensive impacts. Dvorak is terrible. Should be a winger, not a center. Not to mention that he is 3 years older
Apr. 22, 2023 at 5:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
Now look at their defensive impacts. Dvorak is terrible. Should be a winger, not a center. Not to mention that he is 3 years older


I think you are confused on who we are talking about, Christian Dvorak was born February 2nd 1996, Beauvillier was born June 8th 1997, there is literally just over 1 year difference in their ages. Also Beauvillier and Dvorak have identical CF over their careers (both have a career CF of 49.9 with similar zone starts and TOI) the difference is this past season Dvorak had worse defensive numbers but you can't really sum a career up based off 1 bad year.
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Apr. 22, 2023 at 5:56 p.m.
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I think you are confused on who we are talking about, Christian Dvorak was born February 2nd 1996, Beauvillier was born June 8th 1997, there is literally just over 1 year difference in their ages. Also Beauvillier and Dvorak have identical CF over their careers (both have a career CF of 49.9 with similar zone starts and TOI) the difference is this past season Dvorak had worse defensive numbers but you can't really sum a career up based off 1 bad year.


CF is a terrible way of measuring defense. You clearly do not know how the stat even works.
Apr. 22, 2023 at 6:10 p.m.
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CF is a terrible way of measuring defense. You clearly do not know how the stat even works.


At least I know what player we are talking about which clearly you don't since you think there is 3 years difference in their ages.
Apr. 22, 2023 at 6:12 p.m.
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It does to have Seabrook on LTIR, perhaps you need to look at the page, rather than being such a d*** to everyone!

Edit*** better yet, enjoy my ignore list


Thank you not having to read your assinine evaluations is awesome
Apr. 22, 2023 at 6:23 p.m.
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I could see if it’s was FLAs first this year but not next. They would probably get a similar package without taking any cap back in the off season.
Apr. 22, 2023 at 6:30 p.m.
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I could see if it’s was FLAs first this year but not next. They would probably get a similar package without taking any cap back in the off season.


Really?! From where? Who in the league has a 11-16 pick, cap room and a good prospect they are willing to trade? Also let's not forget there is a rumor out there (whether you believe it or not) that PLD will only sign a 1 year deal, so that team has to be ok with giving all that up for a rental as well. Playoff teams are out since their 1st isn't going to be in the 11-16 range, so tell me what team likely outside the playoffs makes that trade?
Apr. 22, 2023 at 6:37 p.m.
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Really?! From where? Who in the league has a 11-16 pick, cap room and a good prospect they are willing to trade? Also let's not forget there is a rumor out there (whether you believe it or not) that PLD will only sign a 1 year deal, so that team has to be ok with giving all that up for a rental as well. Playoff teams are out since their 1st isn't going to be in the 11-16 range, so tell me what team likely outside the playoffs makes that trade?


I didn’t mention anything about placement of pick, I just said similar package. It could be a better prospect with a lower 1st. We have seen what GMs have been willing to give for players, especially at the deadline. Need I remind Habs fans that they got an unprotected 1st for Ben Chiarot at the deadline.
I still think that Dubois gets moved for FLA 1st, one of Beck, Roy, Kidney type and Dv if he’s healthy.
Apr. 22, 2023 at 6:40 p.m.
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Dude was being a D*** about it, he could have just said that they have more than what is displayed on CapFriendly site without adding the "Clearly you didn't thoroughly investigate their real cap situation. Please do proper research before making obviously false narratives" BS, that was just added to be a D***


Being a D*** is something you seem to know extremely well!!
Apr. 22, 2023 at 7:05 p.m.
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I didn’t mention anything about placement of pick, I just said similar package. It could be a better prospect with a lower 1st. We have seen what GMs have been willing to give for players, especially at the deadline. Need I remind Habs fans that they got an unprotected 1st for Ben Chiarot at the deadline.
I still think that Dubois gets moved for FLA 1st, one of Beck, Roy, Kidney type and Dv if he’s healthy.


No you didn't outline the pick, I did by putting top 10 protection on it. Also since both your scenario and mine are in the offseason the Florida pick would be gone along with every other 2023 1st round pick and the Jets would receive a 2024 1st anyway, no matter what team they dealt with. I added Hoffman as the cap offset cause a lot of Jets fans B**** about it when Dvo is used as cap offset, there really is no pleasing some people. I outlined at the beginning that the pick would be top 10 protected so saying that you would receive a similar package indicates you think there is a team out there, who is unlikely to be a playoff team that would trade their 1st + a good prospect without sending cap back knowing that PLD is looking to test FA. This is all just a case of you wanting to get more just because it's the Habs and not another team like the Lefs or Canes.
Apr. 22, 2023 at 7:20 p.m.
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No you didn't outline the pick, I did by putting top 10 protection on it. Also since both your scenario and mine are in the offseason the Florida pick would be gone along with every other 2023 1st round pick and the Jets would receive a 2024 1st anyway, no matter what team they dealt with. I added Hoffman as the cap offset cause a lot of Jets fans B**** about it when Dvo is used as cap offset, there really is no pleasing some people. I outlined at the beginning that the pick would be top 10 protected so saying that you would receive a similar package indicates you think there is a team out there, who is unlikely to be a playoff team that would trade their 1st + a good prospect without sending cap back knowing that PLD is looking to test FA. This is all just a case of you wanting to get more just because it's the Habs and not another team like the Lefs or Canes.


If It’s post draft, then Dubois has probably been or will be moved elsewhere to a contender. I’ve been a big proponent of Dubois to Montreal this off season to the benefit of both teams. Jets capitalize of value and Montreal gets him a year early saving on Cap and capitalizing on marketing/sales.
Montreal brass has already said they are open to moving it and it fits what both teams would be looking at.
Apr. 22, 2023 at 9:01 p.m.
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If It’s post draft, then Dubois has probably been or will be moved elsewhere to a contender. I’ve been a big proponent of Dubois to Montreal this off season to the benefit of both teams. Jets capitalize of value and Montreal gets him a year early saving on Cap and capitalizing on marketing/sales.
Montreal brass has already said they are open to moving it and it fits what both teams would be looking at.


Again, what contender has the cap space + a 1st in the 11-16 range + a good prospect like Kidney they are willing to give up without having to send cap back to the Jets? You keep skirting around this question cause you know the answer as well as I do, there is not a single contender with the cap space to add PLD without sending cap back, also no contender has a 1st in the range of 11-16 either. Many have late 1st's and good prospects but they would still have to send cap back and the later 1st and prospect aren't going to be equivalent to a mid 1st and good prospect. No matter what team you deal with, they are going to have to send cap back. Point is Kidney + 2024 1st (top 10 protected) and a cap offset is what you are likely to get from any non-contender and (let's use Colorado as an example) a late 1st + Olausson + Girard (cap offset) is likely what you are getting from a contender. The roster player is probably better (as is the case here) but the pick isn't and the prospect is debatable IMO.
Apr. 22, 2023 at 10:03 p.m.
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Again, what contender has the cap space + a 1st in the 11-16 range + a good prospect like Kidney they are willing to give up without having to send cap back to the Jets? You keep skirting around this question cause you know the answer as well as I do, there is not a single contender with the cap space to add PLD without sending cap back, also no contender has a 1st in the range of 11-16 either. Many have late 1st's and good prospects but they would still have to send cap back and the later 1st and prospect aren't going to be equivalent to a mid 1st and good prospect. No matter what team you deal with, they are going to have to send cap back. Point is Kidney + 2024 1st (top 10 protected) and a cap offset is what you are likely to get from any non-contender and (let's use Colorado as an example) a late 1st + Olausson + Girard (cap offset) is likely what you are getting from a contender. The roster player is probably better (as is the case here) but the pick isn't and the prospect is debatable IMO.


I’ve said in previous posts, including above, I said nothing about draft position, only comparable trade. It could be a better prospect and lesser pick.
I also said I think the deal ends up DV, FLA 1st and one of Kidney, Beck, Roy or the like.
In regards to the cap issue, it’s off season. Teams are allowed to go over, and they can make trades to other teams to clear that cap. Third party teams can be involved. I see Peg doing a mini retool so I can see Chipman not wanting cap coming back to keep overhead low, so I see a third team involved or a player being moved after the fact.
I’m not adverse to Winnipeg taking DV as part of the deal. He’s be a useful roster player, but if the deal went into the off season I see another team targeting dubois as a rental or with hopes they can sign him long term without cap, or as much cap coming back.
Apr. 22, 2023 at 11:08 p.m.
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I’ve said in previous posts, including above, I said nothing about draft position, only comparable trade. It could be a better prospect and lesser pick.
I also said I think the deal ends up DV, FLA 1st and one of Kidney, Beck, Roy or the like.
In regards to the cap issue, it’s off season. Teams are allowed to go over, and they can make trades to other teams to clear that cap. Third party teams can be involved. I see Peg doing a mini retool so I can see Chipman not wanting cap coming back to keep overhead low, so I see a third team involved or a player being moved after the fact.
I’m not adverse to Winnipeg taking DV as part of the deal. He’s be a useful roster player, but if the deal went into the off season I see another team targeting dubois as a rental or with hopes they can sign him long term without cap, or as much cap coming back.


I see, so you just want to live in a dream world where draft position doesn't affect the value of the pick and that teams don't have to worry about moving cap before the season begins, gotcha! Reality is though a 1st in the 11-16 range has more value than a 1st in the 25-32 range and if you are in the 25-32 range the type of prospect you need to add to get the value equal to the 11-16 range + Kidney is the type you don't want to risk moving for potentially only 1 year of Dubois. I know that teams can exceed the cap in the offseason but the issue is they still have to get below the cap on the first day of the regular season, so if they don't include cap going back to Winnipeg then they are likely going to have to pay someone else to take cap later, which makes no sense for them cause now the cost is a top prospect + a 1st + a cap dump + another 1st or top prospect to dump said player, even though Winnipeg doesn't get the other 1st it still factors into the deal since it would cost that to dump the cap on another team later. Let's take Edmonton as an example for them to match the value of Kidney + a 2024 1st in the 11-16 range it would cost their own 1st (let's assume in the 25-32 range) + Bourgault and then later they have to dump 6-8 mil cap to be cap compliant by opening night so there goes another 1st to say Arizona so they take Ceci + Yamamoto. Edmonton isn't doing all that neither is any other contending team in the league.
Apr. 22, 2023 at 11:49 p.m.
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I see, so you just want to live in a dream world where draft position doesn't affect the value of the pick and that teams don't have to worry about moving cap before the season begins, gotcha! Reality is though a 1st in the 11-16 range has more value than a 1st in the 25-32 range and if you are in the 25-32 range the type of prospect you need to add to get the value equal to the 11-16 range + Kidney is the type you don't want to risk moving for potentially only 1 year of Dubois. I know that teams can exceed the cap in the offseason but the issue is they still have to get below the cap on the first day of the regular season, so if they don't include cap going back to Winnipeg then they are likely going to have to pay someone else to take cap later, which makes no sense for them cause now the cost is a top prospect + a 1st + a cap dump + another 1st or top prospect to dump said player, even though Winnipeg doesn't get the other 1st it still factors into the deal since it would cost that to dump the cap on another team later. Let's take Edmonton as an example for them to match the value of Kidney + a 2024 1st in the 11-16 range it would cost their own 1st (let's assume in the 25-32 range) + Bourgault and then later they have to dump 6-8 mil cap to be cap compliant by opening night so there goes another 1st to say Arizona so they take Ceci + Yamamoto. Edmonton isn't doing all that neither is any other contending team in the league.


I’m far too drunk to respond to this other than to assume your reading comprehension is more severely ****ed than mine right now...
Apr. 22, 2023 at 11:52 p.m.
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I’m far too drunk to respond to this other than to assume your reading comprehension is more severely ****ed than mine right now...


You were to drunk earlier to comprehend reality and it showed in your responses to the thread!
Apr. 23, 2023 at 12:06 a.m.
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You were to drunk earlier to comprehend reality and it showed in your responses to the thread!


I need to be to deal with all these ****ing Habs fans
Apr. 23, 2023 at 3:22 p.m.
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You were to drunk earlier to comprehend reality and it showed in your responses to the thread!


Once out of the top 10 draft value from like 11-21 really isn't a large gap at all. Lots of stuff written on this. Also jets will care for more about cash on contract not cap so I doubt they have much interest in Montreal players who seen to all have more cash being paid out than cap hit next two seasons. And if you want to know about why the jets care about the cash... Their parent company is moving in on a 70-80 mil dollar real estate deal and will need millions more to upgrade that real estate.
Apr. 23, 2023 at 3:38 p.m.
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Once out of the top 10 draft value from like 11-21 really isn't a large gap at all. Lots of stuff written on this. Also jets will care for more about cash on contract not cap so I doubt they have much interest in Montreal players who seen to all have more cash being paid out than cap hit next two seasons. And if you want to know about why the jets care about the cash... Their parent company is moving in on a 70-80 mil dollar real estate deal and will need millions more to upgrade that real estate.


Lmao, wow another Jet homer spewing crap, huge shock!!! Simple fact is not all 1sts are equal and no team is trading for PLD without sending cap back. So if you are of the mindset that the Jets will get a deal where they don't take cap back, then you are going to be extremely disappointed. If all 1sts were created equal then the Jets wouldn't mind giving up their 1st (19th) this year for the 32nd pick and not get anything else in the trade! Wonder how quick Chevy would be fires for trading back 13 spots without getting anything in return ROFLMAO!!!
 
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