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Trading Jake but getting a replacement

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Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 25, 2023
Published: Apr. 25, 2023
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    Apr. 25, 2023 at 1:27 p.m.
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    If we trade Jake we should just keep the draft picks/prospects and replenish our pool. Swapping him for Schmaltz (not really an upgrade) and then loosing Pickering in the process I dont think would be best course of action.
    Apr. 25, 2023 at 1:30 p.m.
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    That trade doesn't help Ottawa. Our defense is fine, the only reason we'd trade Joseph is for cap space, not to bring back a similarly priced player.
    Apr. 25, 2023 at 1:33 p.m.
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    Quoting: pensfan21
    If we trade Jake we should just keep the draft picks/prospects and replenish our pool. Swapping him for Schmaltz (not really an upgrade) and then loosing Pickering in the process I dont think would be best course of action.


    Its more of getting someone who has been nearly point per game for a couple seasons now and who is signed longer term. He a little younger as well. Loosing Pickering shouldnt be the biggest issue. With the d core I have here hes unlikely to get a spot in the next 2-3 years unless we trade one of the LD. We have the draft capital to draft a dman if we need to.
    Apr. 25, 2023 at 1:35 p.m.
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    That trade doesn't help Ottawa. Our defense is fine, the only reason we'd trade Joseph is for cap space, not to bring back a similarly priced player.


    Saw a Sens fan propose it it another ACGM. Thought id give it a go
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    Apr. 25, 2023 at 1:36 p.m.
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    May I ask a question, why are there so many posts about trading Guentzel? Im a Bruins fan so I dont pay attention to PIT but is there a reason, do you not like him, is he in the talks?
    Apr. 25, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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    May I ask a question, why are there so many posts about trading Guentzel? Im a Bruins fan so I dont pay attention to PIT but is there a reason, do you not like him, is he in the talks?


    I dont think we should trade him, but we might if he doesnt want to sign here. He doesnt really have a reason to resign right now. A lot of people say to just keep the picks and specs if we trade him. I like what I did better in getting a long term option who imo can fill that role pretty good. It still leaves us will all of our 1sts for the upcoming years and gives us an extra 2nd. We might lose Pickering in the process but with the d core I made here he wont have a spot for the next 2-3 years unless one of our LD's are traded. We have the draft capital after these moves to draft a dman.
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    Apr. 25, 2023 at 1:49 p.m.
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    Saw a Sens fan propose it it another ACGM. Thought id give it a go


    Value is fine just doesn't make sense for us.
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    Apr. 25, 2023 at 1:52 p.m.
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    Value is fine just doesn't make sense for us.


    Yeah I shouldve looked into it more.
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    Apr. 25, 2023 at 2:03 p.m.
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    Deal
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    Apr. 25, 2023 at 2:05 p.m.
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    Its more of getting someone who has been nearly point per game for a couple seasons now and who is signed longer term. He a little younger as well. Loosing Pickering shouldnt be the biggest issue. With the d core I have here hes unlikely to get a spot in the next 2-3 years unless we trade one of the LD. We have the draft capital to draft a dman if we need to.


    Our prospect pool is just a complete disaster. It needs all the help it can get. The only way we can have any chance of contending again is filling it. If we want to go all in for 1-2 years before rebuilding, which is the popular choice, then we need to get high level younger players in the lineup (we could get from Guentzel trade) and also have assets to deal at deadline. We either have to get as young as possible around our old core (similar to what Kings did) or just go all in on rebuilding. If we try and just retool the team through free agency I dont see it going anywhere.

    Getting prospects and picks in a Guentzel trade, drafting well (could even focus on close to NHL ready prospects), and trying to find diamonds in the rough in free agency based on analytics (maybe someone like Eyssimont for example), is the way to rebuild around the core but still be competitive. Maybe even get creative and offer sheet someone like Newhook, who would help us win now and probably bring back good value in a trade when its time to rebuild.
    Apr. 25, 2023 at 2:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: BruinsGM37
    May I ask a question, why are there so many posts about trading Guentzel? Im a Bruins fan so I dont pay attention to PIT but is there a reason, do you not like him, is he in the talks?


    Yeah the problem is he’s gonna command upwards of a 7x7 type of deal. He turns 30 soon and where the pens are as an organization it’s just not the time to give that type of contract out especially with Crosby and Malkin having maybe 1-2 more years of elite play realistically. Need to get younger and add picks and prospects to the pool. Return similar to the Horvat trade (NHLer, prospect, 1st) would be reasonable and serve the organization well
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    Apr. 25, 2023 at 2:23 p.m.
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    Our prospect pool is just a complete disaster. It needs all the help it can get. The only way we can have any chance of contending again is filling it. If we want to go all in for 1-2 years before rebuilding, which is the popular choice, then we need to get high level younger players in the lineup (we could get from Guentzel trade) and also have assets to deal at deadline. We either have to get as young as possible around our old core (similar to what Kings did) or just go all in on rebuilding. If we try and just retool the team through free agency I dont see it going anywhere.

    Getting prospects and picks in a Guentzel trade, drafting well (could even focus on close to NHL ready prospects), and trying to find diamonds in the rough in free agency based on analytics (maybe someone like Eyssimont for example), is the way to rebuild around the core but still be competitive. Maybe even get creative and offer sheet someone like Newhook, who would help us win now and probably bring back good value in a trade when its time to rebuild.


    Okay but once we rebuild we will get those picks back. Tolvanen and Geekie have potential to be solid 2nd and 3rd liners for our future. POJ and Smith will be in the top 4. That goaltending Is just for 2 years. Schmaltz is a replacement for Guentzel as he will want close to 8 mil and almost turning 30. Compher, Rust, Zucker, Krug, Rakell, Rodrigues are all expendable in 2-3 years for picks and specs. But right now we arent rebuilding while the core is still in it. But still like what I've done here is made the team younger but still competitive for at least 2 years. Then we can start looking to get the younger pieces. Our trade assets wont go away just like that. There are other Pickerings in the world
    Apr. 25, 2023 at 2:33 p.m.
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    Okay but once we rebuild we will get those picks back. Tolvanen and Geekie have potential to be solid 2nd and 3rd liners for our future. POJ and Smith will be in the top 4. That goaltending Is just for 2 years. Schmaltz is a replacement for Guentzel as he will want close to 8 mil and almost turning 30. Compher, Rust, Zucker, Krug, Rakell, Rodrigues are all expendable in 2-3 years for picks and specs. But right now we arent rebuilding while the core is still in it. But still like what I've done here is made the team younger but still competitive for at least 2 years. Then we can start looking to get the younger pieces. Our trade assets wont go away just like that. There are other Pickerings in the world


    I see what you are saying, but it's just not the route I'd go. Trading Guentzel for a 1st and an A+/A prospect who could slot into the lineup immediately and then replacing Guentzel through free agency I think is the best route. I know there won't be someone as good as Guentzel in fa but could still get a really good player who I'm sure would thrive playing with Crosby. I get using the 1st to replace him for someone not due for a long term deal, but doing that in a way that doesn't require giving up the 1st is preferable.

    I just dont see any easy answer this offseason. Just watching the playoffs it's so apparent how far away we are from the other teams. Dallas, Boston, LA and other teams have an older core, but have tons and tons of youth in the lineup. Not 27 year olds from free agency, but players like Hintz, Robertson, Pasternak, McAvoy, Viilardi, Byfield, etc. But we have so many holes in the lineup and so many bad contracts. There's options I think are preferable to others, but I just do not see a way this team can become a contender this offseason. Your team is solid, but would it be enough to get past Jersey, New York, Carolina etc. I just dont see it with any ACGM on here including mine
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    Apr. 25, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.
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    Seems like some very selfish trades. You've traded for three years of Schmaltz....but in the Seattle trade you want three times back for what you gave Arizona. One year of Guentzel isn' worth that much as you suggest.
    Apr. 25, 2023 at 2:46 p.m.
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    Seems like some very selfish trades. You've traded for three years of Schmaltz....but in the Seattle trade you want three times back for what you gave Arizona. One year of Guentzel isn' worth that much as you suggest.


    Guentzel would come with an extention and hes also better. I find the trades very similar
    Apr. 25, 2023 at 2:52 p.m.
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    Guentzel would come with an extention and hes also better. I find the trades very similar


    Oh the silly extension talk to justify a trade. Gee, Schmaltz has a put up marginally lesser number in the past two years. Imagine they would be better playing with Malkin or Crosby
    Apr. 25, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
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    If I was the Blues, I'd think long and hard about that. And if they could somehow also move Leddy without too much pain, I'd probably just take it. Not sure what the actual Blues would say. I think there's certain guys Army believes will have bounce back seasons (such as Krug), and he might not be so eager to offload them with a bunch of immediate cap coming back. The most important cap year for the Blues by a light year is this summer. Starting next summer they get a lot more flexible.

    Btw I think you would come to regret that Schmaltz trade.
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