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What is the cost for Konecny

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Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:11 a.m.
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Why not just have a proper rebuild?
Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:12 a.m.
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This team is not one Konecny away from making the playoffs. That 2024's 1st is much too valuable to be sacrificed in return of a player who could test free agency in two years.
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:12 a.m.
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More than MTL should be comfortable paying at this stage in their rebuild... he's a UFA in 2 years, makes no sense.
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:13 a.m.
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Stop giving away 1sts!

This doesnt work. Didnt work with Drouin. Wont work here. You supplement your team by giving away magic beans like the Ducks did with Pronger in 2006 when youre ready to compete and not before.

Being mid is essentially what the Canucks do. You dont want to be in the Canucks shoes.
Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:16 a.m.
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Guys I appreciate that you don't want him. I just want to know his value on the market. Not necessarily for the Habs since they cannot resign him.
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:17 a.m.
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Quoting: ohmyjlord
This team is not one Konecny away from making the playoffs. That 2024's 1st is much too valuable to be sacrificed in return of a player who could test free agency in two years.


A Konecny a Dubois and maybe a UFA denseman... They could be
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A Konecny a Dubois and maybe a UFA denseman... They could be


..Gross
Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:27 a.m.
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Quoting: jonh514
A Konecny a Dubois and maybe a UFA denseman... They could be


I think you're overestimating the Defense. Given Edmunson doesn't wear a Habs jersey come puck drop, more than half of your Dmen barely have 50 games of experience. Why do you want to go in the playoffs for?
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:27 a.m.
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A Konecny a Dubois and maybe a UFA denseman... They could be


You were 8th in the Division and 15th in the conference. 24 points away from tying the last seed.

Just do a proper rebuild
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:30 a.m.
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You were 8th in the Division and 15th in the conference. 24 points away from tying the last seed.

Just do a proper rebuild


Yes, with the most lost man-games by an NHL team in the history of the league
Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:31 a.m.
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Probably more than that, based on Koneckny's age, his production this year on a team that couldn;t score, his pretty team friendly deal for 2 years (compared to Horvat who got 8mil for 8 yrs with not dissimilar production).

If on the market, PHI would probably receive far better offers than that. If Horvat, as an expiring UFA got a middle six 26 yr old Beauvillier, a 1st and a 2nd and a midlevel prospect from NYI, or struggling old man RO'Reilly got that package from TOR = Koneckny probably gets the same, if not more.

And its also about what would PHI (mgmt and the fans) want - they'd want more, and dont need to make that deal, they'd get more when/if Koneckny gets further in contract or plays with other first line players (last 2 seasons have seen PHI's top 6 decimated by injuries). But really PHI doesn;t have to/want to trade a 26 yr old playing at a PPG pace on a team that cant score, because he bridges the gap at a cut price while they rebuild. (PHI played last year with 6-7 rookies and 12-14 players in their 3rd year or less, so in 2 yrs time when its time for Koneckny to be resigned PHI should be able to extract alot or decide to keep him)
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:33 a.m.
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Yes, with the most lost man-games by an NHL team in the history of the league


Yes, but thats probably not going to change any time soon with Gallagher, Price, etc... and a ton of poor value in trade or older guys like Armia, Hoffman, Savard, Allen.....
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Probably more than that, based on Koneckny's age, his production this year on a team that couldn;t score, his pretty team friendly deal for 2 years (compared to Horvat who got 8mil for 8 yrs with not dissimilar production).

If on the market, PHI would probably receive far better offers than that. If Horvat, as an expiring UFA got a middle six 26 yr old Beauvillier, a 1st and a 2nd and a midlevel prospect from NYI, or struggling old man RO'Reilly got that package from TOR = Koneckny probably gets the same, if not more.

And its also about what would PHI (mgmt and the fans) want - they'd want more


You want the Canucks phone#?
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:35 a.m.
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Probably more than that, based on Koneckny's age, his production this year on a team that couldn;t score, his pretty team friendly deal for 2 years (compared to Horvat who got 8mil for 8 yrs with not dissimilar production).

If on the market, PHI would probably receive far better offers than that. If Horvat, as an expiring UFA got a middle six 26 yr old Beauvillier, a 1st and a 2nd and a midlevel prospect from NYI, or struggling old man RO'Reilly got that package from TOR = Koneckny probably gets the same, if not more.

And its also about what would PHI (mgmt and the fans) want - they'd want more


Thanks for actually answering my question! You are the first
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 8:35 a.m.
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I think you're overestimating the Defense. Given Edmunson doesn't wear a Habs jersey come puck drop, more than half of your Dmen barely have 50 games of experience. Why do you want to go in the playoffs for?


Because the GM said he wants to and I take him at his word.
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Yes, with the most lost man-games by an NHL team in the history of the league


Omg, you think you're good.

Ok, sell the farm

You realize that list includes Carey price and paul Byron right?
Apr. 28, 2023 at 9:10 a.m.
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Quoting: Shanesaw9
More than MTL should be comfortable paying at this stage in their rebuild... he's a UFA in 2 years, makes no sense.


Totally agree, but that was not my question. I want to know his value and I only really know the value of Montreal's prospects in the market.

While I think he's a great player, I doubt Montreal trades for any player they cannot resign.
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Omg, you think you're good.

Ok, sell the farm

You realize that list includes Carey price and paul Byron right?


What I realize is that I asked a question about what his value is and rather than answering the question, you are "putting words in my mouth" about how I want the Habs to go about their rebuild.

All I am asking here is what is the value of Konecny on the trade market. I used the Habs players because I know that team the best.

I think there is a chance the Habs can make the playoffs next season, yes. Is it likely, probably not, but I am not going to count them out.

It does not in any way mean that I am expecting them to trade for players on UFA deals as Hughes said he wouldn't do that.

Now that you understand my position, you can either re-read the post and answer my original question, or you can have yourself a nice day sir!
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 9:43 a.m.
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What I realize is that I asked a question about what his value is and rather than answering the question, you are "putting words in my mouth" about how I want the Habs to go about their rebuild.

All I am asking here is what is the value of Konecny on the trade market. I used the Habs players because I know that team the best.

I think there is a chance the Habs can make the playoffs next season, yes. Is it likely, probably not, but I am not going to count them out.

It does not in any way mean that I am expecting them to trade for players on UFA deals as Hughes said he wouldn't do that.

Now that you understand my position, you can either re-read the post and answer my original question, or you can have yourself a nice day sir!


I was responding to a post where you said they would be a playoff team with 3 moves
Apr. 28, 2023 at 9:53 a.m.
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I was responding to a post where you said they would be a playoff team with 3 moves


Ok. You mean the response to a comment about how the Habs will not make the playoffs with Konecny where I said, yes they could make the playoffs if they got PLD, Konecny, and a big UFA RHD signing like a Severson.

Yes I think if they did that they would have a good shot at the playoffs. But I categorically do not think they will do that specifically because Hughes said he won't make short term moves that sacrifice the long term.

I am still curious to know what you think Konecny's value is on the market.
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 11:56 a.m.
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Guys I appreciate that you don't want him. I just want to know his value on the market. Not necessarily for the Habs since they cannot resign him.

I think that you're not far off, because a first-round draft pick and an A prospect is what brought Kevin Fiala to the Kings.

I think that a third asset would probably be required for Konecny because Philly isn't under the same pressure to deal him as Minny was to deal Fiala. I'd say a 2023 first-round draft pick, an A prospect and a B prospect; if you move the pick to the 2024 draft, you'd have to substitute an actual roster player for the B prospect. That's just my feeling. Teams with additional firsts like Detroit (Islanders) and Nashville (Oilers) and St. Louis, or a team that trades away firsts like Toronto, might be interested in him (although the Maple Leafs have some cap issues).
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I think that you're not far off, because a first-round draft pick and an A prospect is what brought Kevin Fiala to the Kings.

I think that a third asset would probably be required for Konecny because Philly isn't under the same pressure to deal him as Minny was to deal Fiala. I'd say a 2023 first-round draft pick, an A prospect and a B prospect; if you move the pick to the 2024 draft, you'd have to substitute an actual roster player for the B prospect. That's just my feeling. Teams with additional firsts like Detroit (Islanders) and Nashville (Oilers) and St. Louis, or a team that trades away firsts like Toronto, might be interested in him (although the Maple Leafs have some cap issues).


Thanks for your perspective sir. It is always appreciated!
 
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