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Habs Offseason

Created by: Brady135
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 22, 2023
Published: Apr. 28, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$7,875,000
2$1,250,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
8$9,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,500,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Smith, Will
3$975,000
Strbak, Maxim
3$975,000
Hrabal, Michael
3$975,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Thompson, Tyce
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Edmundson, Joel ($1,750,000 retained)
2.
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$75,786,666$1,170,000$4,195,000$6,713,334
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$9,000,000$9,000,000
C
UFA - 8
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,875,000$7,875,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 3
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$762,500$762,500
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,925,000$1,925,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$828,333$828,333
LD/RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3

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Apr. 28, 2023 at 3:12 p.m.
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Devils aren't paying a second round pick and 1.7 million dollars for a 7th defenseman.
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 3:24 p.m.
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pld wont make more then caufield nor suzuki
also eddy isnt getting moved for that price maybe 3rd at best
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
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Devils aren't paying a second round pick and 1.7 million dollars for a 7th defenseman.


Won’t be a 7th Defenceman once they lose Graves and/or Severson to free agency and good luck signing a different replacement for one of those guys for under 1.7 million
Apr. 28, 2023 at 3:28 p.m.
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Won’t be a 7th Defenceman once they lose Graves and/or Severson to free agency and good luck signing a different replacement for one of those guys for under 1.7 million


Jonas Siegenthaler LD1. Luke Hughes LD2. Kevin Bahl LD3.
Apr. 28, 2023 at 3:33 p.m.
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Would gladly trade Duchois for that, please take him!
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 3:40 p.m.
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Dubois isn't gonna get paid $9.0m per. If someone is willing to pay him that much, it won't be the Habs.

That's also a severe overpayment for Dubois. Horvat returned Beauvillier, Raty and a 1st (Top-12 protected). And NYI only agreed to pay that price because they felt like they had a good chance of extending Horvat, something no other team than MTL can really believe at this point. The market for Dubois should therefor be thinner, and value will be slightly under Horvat. Dvorak could be seen as the equivalent of Beauvillier (middle-6 forward, with terms, producing at half-a-point per game). Kidney + Heineman is worth a lot more than Raty. To me, Kapanen is much closer in terms of value. Anyone trading for Dubois as a rental at the deadline would be doing so with a 2024 pick. So why would the Habs do any different ? CGY's 1st (which is Top-20 protected) is the equivalent of the pick VAN got from NYI, not FLA's 2023 1st.
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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Jonas Siegenthaler LD1. Luke Hughes LD2. Kevin Bahl LD3.


Some GM’s like veteran insurance policies, but maybe relying on 2 young defencemen who have played a combined 70 nhl games will work out for you!
Apr. 28, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.
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Dubois isn't gonna get paid $9.0m per. If someone is willing to pay him that much, it won't be the Habs.

That's also a severe overpayment for Dubois. Horvat returned Beauvillier, Raty and a 1st (Top-12 protected). And NYI only agreed to pay that price because they felt like they had a good chance of extending Horvat, something no other team than MTL can really believe at this point. The market for Dubois should therefor be thinner, and value will be slightly under Horvat. Dvorak could be seen as the equivalent of Beauvillier (middle-6 forward, with terms, producing at half-a-point per game). Kidney + Heineman is worth a lot more than Raty. To me, Kapanen is much closer in terms of value. Anyone trading for Dubois as a rental at the deadline would be doing so with a 2024 pick. So why would the Habs do any different ? CGY's 1st (which is Top-20 protected) is the equivalent of the pick VAN got from NYI, not FLA's 2023 1st.


Florida first is 17th and nyi is 18 couldn't be any closer. Just make it 2023 first prospect and cap and boom deal is done
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 3:57 p.m.
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Some GM’s like veteran insurance policies, but maybe relying on 2 young defencemen who have played a combined 70 nhl games will work out for you!


Luke Hughes is a top 2-3 prospect in the NHL do you think he's just gonna sit?? And Kevin Bahl has been better than edmundson. Insurance policies generally aren't injury prone, and besides we have brendan smith as a veteran defenseman
Apr. 28, 2023 at 4:03 p.m.
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Florida first is 17th and nyi is 18 couldn't be any closer. Just make it 2023 first prospect and cap and boom deal is done


You're missing my point.

When it comes to Dubois to Montreal, most WPG's fans are using the argument that they could get more than what MTL's ACGM are offering if they wait for the deadline, and sell him as a rental. Except that if they chose to go that way, Dubois will be a pending UFA, just like Horvat. And the team trading for Dubois would pay a 2024 pick, not a 2023 one. So why would the Habs offer WPG a 2023 pick ? They would just make their selection at #17, and revisit a Dubois trade at the deadline. At that point, their offer should be just as competitive as the other teams.
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 4:08 p.m.
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You're missing my point.

When it comes to Dubois to Montreal, most WPG's fans are using the argument that they could get more than what MTL's ACGM are offering if they wait for the deadline, and sell him as a rental. Except that if they chose to go that way, Dubois will be a pending UFA, just like Horvat. And the team trading for Dubois would pay a 2024 pick, not a 2023 one. So why would the Habs offer WPG a 2023 pick ? They would just make their selection at #17, and revisit a Dubois trade at the deadline. At that point, their offer should be just as competitive as the other teams.


Because the habs pick in 2024 is going to have protection and could lead to a top pick in the future. 2023 first both teams know what they are trading in the deal. It's not like Hughes can't get another future 1st in 2024 to make up for trading the 2023 first. Especially if they can dump Hoffman in the Dubois deal they can essentially do Monahan 2.0. They still need the best offer nothing has changed in that facet and if a deal is at the draft that 17th pick will be the main piece of a deal
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 4:11 p.m.
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Gotta see what happens with Graves and Severson first. If we lose both to free agency, we will probably be in the market for a dman.
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 4:37 p.m.
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Because the habs pick in 2024 is going to have protection and could lead to a top pick in the future. 2023 first both teams know what they are trading in the deal. It's not like Hughes can't get another future 1st in 2024 to make up for trading the 2023 first. Especially if they can dump Hoffman in the Dubois deal they can essentially do Monahan 2.0. They still need the best offer nothing has changed in that facet and if a deal is at the draft that 17th pick will be the main piece of a deal


Hoffman is a non-issue, as the Habs can buy him out for $1.1m per, over the next two years. Shipping him somewhere else barely moves the needle for the Habs.

Put it this way...aside from MTL, which team do you see trading for Dubois, before the 2023 draft, offering WPG their 2023 1st round pick ? Probably not that many, right ? It would have to be a contending team, and many of those don't even have a 1st round pick in 2023 to trade. And the ones that do are at the end of the round.

Most teams interested in acquiring Dubois as a one year rental would do it at the deadline, where it'll be easier for them to absorb Dubois' contract. Just like NYI did with Horvat. So the 1st round pick WPG would get would be a 2024 one, most likely protected (like NYI did in Horvat's case), which could push that pick to 2025. That's what the Habs are gonna have to compete with.
Apr. 28, 2023 at 5:28 p.m.
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Hoffman is a non-issue, as the Habs can buy him out for $1.1m per, over the next two years. Shipping him somewhere else barely moves the needle for the Habs.

Put it this way...aside from MTL, which team do you see trading for Dubois, before the 2023 draft, offering WPG their 2023 1st round pick ? Probably not that many, right ? It would have to be a contending team, and many of those don't even have a 1st round pick in 2023 to trade. And the ones that do are at the end of the round.

Most teams interested in acquiring Dubois as a one year rental would do it at the deadline, where it'll be easier for them to absorb Dubois' contract. Just like NYI did with Horvat. So the 1st round pick WPG would get would be a 2024 one, most likely protected (like NYI did in Horvat's case), which could push that pick to 2025. That's what the Habs are gonna have to compete with.


Why wouldn't a team want him as a full year rental and use a pick this year to make it happen when they know exactly what pick they give up? Seems to me that Dubois is going out for the best return and to qualify as that something is going to be advantageous to jets ie 2023 first or a top prospect.
Apr. 28, 2023 at 5:49 p.m.
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Dubois isn't gonna get paid $9.0m per. If someone is willing to pay him that much, it won't be the Habs.

That's also a severe overpayment for Dubois. Horvat returned Beauvillier, Raty and a 1st (Top-12 protected). And NYI only agreed to pay that price because they felt like they had a good chance of extending Horvat, something no other team than MTL can really believe at this point. The market for Dubois should therefor be thinner, and value will be slightly under Horvat. Dvorak could be seen as the equivalent of Beauvillier (middle-6 forward, with terms, producing at half-a-point per game). Kidney + Heineman is worth a lot more than Raty. To me, Kapanen is much closer in terms of value. Anyone trading for Dubois as a rental at the deadline would be doing so with a 2024 pick. So why would the Habs do any different ? CGY's 1st (which is Top-20 protected) is the equivalent of the pick VAN got from NYI, not FLA's 2023 1st.


Can the draft get here already as these homers, trolls and clowns are so clueless with the pld values.
Absolutely no adherence to so many contract disputes and UFAs that went for nothing ie Toews Monahan or trade chips like Vanek for a 2nd in 2014 just off the top of my head.
Pld ain’t getting 2 1sts plus value and Mtl having to pay him whatever he wants. Jesus Christ
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Apr. 28, 2023 at 5:56 p.m.
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Would gladly trade Duchois for that, please take him!


Nope. No way. No how. The value will continue to dip. Thank God the draft lottery will delay things. More drama will come out into the ether, PLD showed up to the draft last year expecting to be dealt and do you think it's over with his antics? As windy/turdboy likes to say, no value, useless to the team!
Apr. 29, 2023 at 12:10 a.m.
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Why wouldn't a team want him as a full year rental and use a pick this year to make it happen when they know exactly what pick they give up? Seems to me that Dubois is going out for the best return and to qualify as that something is going to be advantageous to jets ie 2023 first or a top prospect.

Because most of the teams that would be interested in acquiring Dubois as a rental, even for a complete year (aka the contending teams) either...
a) ...don't have a pick in the 2023 draft, because they've traded it already
b) ...are up against the cap, making it a lot more difficult for them to absorb Dubois' contract before the deadline
or
c) ...have their 1st round pick at the end of the round.

Bascially, you're not looking at a 31-team market here. Most teams won't mortage their future for a year of Dubois, only the contenders will. Teams like Boston, Tampa, Dallas, New Jersey, Edmonton, Florida, Los Angeles, Ottawa don't have a 2023 1st to trade. Teams like New York, Vegas, Colorado, Minnesota, Toronto are already pressed against the cap, some with other holes to fill. You're probably looking at a 4-5 teams list, max, all of them drafting in the mid-20's. Out of those teams, some have other needs than a forward (ie. Carolina and Pittsburgh, who should be in the market for a new starter).

Most teams that a) have a 1st round pick to trade and b) aren't pressed against the cap...are rebuilding teams. Teams that would have NO reason to trade for Dubois as a one-year rental.
 
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