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Massive rebuild

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Team: 2023-24 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 29, 2023
Published: Apr. 30, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,500,000
3$2,000,000
3$2,000,000
2$1,500,000
2$1,375,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$4,500,000
1$2,650,000
1$1,000,000
1$1,000,000
1$775,000
Trades
1.
WPG
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. Beck, Owen
  3. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Dubois gets moved to a team he desires. WPG gets a solid C prospect in return and a mid level first rounder. Armia returns to WPG after few years away, added mostly for cap reasons.
2.
WPG
  1. Geekie, Morgan [RFA Rights]
  2. Nelson, Ty [Reserve List]
  3. Wennberg, Alexander
  4. 2024 1st round pick (SEA)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (SEA)
  6. 2025 3rd round pick (SEA)
SEA
  1. Dillon, Brenden
  2. Scheifele, Mark
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
SEA adds a top line forward and a solid defensive D-man to strengthen their team up. WPG gets a replacement center, younger Manitoba-born center and a solid D prospect, alongside some good picks for their rebuild.
3.
WPG
  1. Brännström, Erik [RFA Rights]
  2. Joseph, Mathieu
  3. Meriläinen, Leevi
  4. 2024 1st round pick (OTT)
  5. 2025 2nd round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Hellebuyck, Connor
  2. Jonsson-Fjällby, Axel [RFA Rights]
  3. 2024 5th round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
OTT acquires one of the top goalies in the league, alongside a depth forward. WPG gets in return a young D-man, some good future assets, and also takes in some cap.
4.
WPG
  1. Steel, Sam [RFA Rights]
  2. 2024 4th round pick (MIN)
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Wheeler, Blake ($4,125,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Wheeler has been in a sense the face of the franchise for a decade now in good and bad, and I think now it's time for a change for both. Minnesota as a team have had 3 fairly lackluster playoff runs, and I think some change is needed in there. They add a Minnesota born veteran forward to bolster up their offense a bit. Due to their limited cap space, Jets agree to retain half of Wheeler's cap hit. In return, WPG receives a player due for a raise, as well as some picks.
5.
WPG
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (CGY)
CGY
  1. Niederreiter, Nino
Additional Details:
When Niederreiter was last traded, he went for a 2nd round pick. I don't think this valuation has changed to any direction at this stage. In this scenario, I think Calgary would be interested in his services, provided they find the cap space for it.
6.
FLA
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
  2. Toninato, Dominic
Additional Details:
FLA has a need for a defensive D-man and depth guys, so I believe DeMelo and Toninato are solid fits here. Due to Florida's sucky situation with draft picks, WPG opt to take in two decent prospects.
7.
WSH
  1. Schmidt, Nate
Additional Details:
Optional trade, if WSH wants to move on from Mantha, perhaps a player swap between two tad overpaid guys is in the cards? Personally though if I were WSH, I'd hesitate on moving Mantha, but maybe a move as such could help both teams. WPG can turn Mantha into futures around the deadline.
8.
WPG
  1. 2023 5th round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Stanley, Logan [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Change of scenery for a young D-man in the draft. TOR takes a punt on the guy for a mid round pick.
9.
WPG
  1. Pickering, Owen
  2. Rutta, Jan
  3. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Capobianco, Kyle
  2. Ehlers, Nikolaj
Additional Details:
After a lackluster year Pens decide to bolster their offense. Ehlers would be a really solid fit to play with Crosby and Guentzel imo. They also add Capobianco to even out contracts. In exchange, WPG gets a Manitoba born D prospect, some good picks, and take in some cap.
10.
WPG
DAL
    Alexander Wennberg and Anthony Mantha in this scenario get traded further near the 2023-24 Trade Deadline, mostly for picks.
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    UFA - 1
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
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    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    RFA - 2
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    UFA - 2
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    RFA - 1
    $2,650,000$2,650,000
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    RFA - 1
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.
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    That is way too much for Ehlers.
    Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.
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    Love the Armia aspect of the Habs deal. He's too good for the AHL and I think he might get bought out if we don't find him a new home!
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:45 p.m.
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    Way too much for Sens and Kracken to give up for rentals.
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:47 p.m.
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    Hellebuyck would definitely need to come with a reasonable extension for that to be worth it for the Sens, especially since it'd 100% mean losing DeBrincat. with that in mind, I assume that the Jets would prefer to get picks/assets rather than DeBrincat himself? (not saying it'd be one for one, just as a general concept)
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:49 p.m.
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    Lmao so you’re essentially saying that Ehlers is worth two firsts and two seconds? One of the firsts being in the top half of the draft order? Keep dreaming.
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: JuanDamienNebraska
    Lmao so you’re essentially saying that Ehlers is worth two firsts and two seconds? One of the firsts being in the top half of the draft order? Keep dreaming.


    With multiple years left, yes I think so. He's extremely good. Rutta is added only for cap reasons and can be left out if his value is too much there. Pickering+1st+2nd for Ehlers seems fine to me.
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 2:57 p.m.
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    With multiple years left, yes I think so. He's extremely good. Rutta is added only for cap reasons and can be left out if his value is too much there. Pickering+1st+2nd for Ehlers seems fine to me.


    You also added a 2026 second? This is far too much for Ehlers. You’ll be surely disappointed if this is the return you expect for him. Good player, but not at all worth that haul.
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.
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    With multiple years left, yes I think so. He's extremely good. Rutta is added only for cap reasons and can be left out if his value is too much there. Pickering+1st+2nd for Ehlers seems fine to me.


    Going to agree with Juan. That would be a massive overpay. An A prospect, a mid first and a pair of seconds would be an overpay for Nylander or Guentzel. Both guys are better than Ehlers by a fair amount.

    Ehlers has some term but only 2 years and is 28 next year. The return would likely be a low 1st and a B prospect.
    Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.
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    Edited Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:07 p.m.
    Quoting: palhal
    Way too much for Sens and Kracken to give up for rentals.


    Depends how you break it up. WPG isn't getting any top prospects in return, only a young D-man OTT would have trouble to either re-sign or fit into Top-4 D-pairs with Chychrun, Sanderson, Chabot and Zub in there, a goalie that is second in their prospect depth chart and a overpaid bottom-6er. Potentíally low first rounder and second rounders do not add much quality the offer.

    As for Seattle, break it into Wennberg+Nelson+1st for Scheifele, and Geekie+2nd for Dillon. Both Scheifele and Wennberg have one year left, and I think it's safe to say the value difference between them is a pick in the 20-ish position and a D prospect. Defensive D-men have had fairly high value in the past and thusly I expect Dillon to be valued more than Geekie in this one.

    Maybe SEA overpays here slightly, but I think the difference is smaller that you think.
    Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:02 p.m.
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    You also added a 2026 second? This is far too much for Ehlers. You’ll be surely disappointed if this is the return you expect for him. Good player, but not at all worth that haul.


    True, drop it. I dunno what I thought with that. My b.
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:05 p.m.
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    Going to agree with Juan. That would be a massive overpay. An A prospect, a mid first and a pair of seconds would be an overpay for Nylander or Guentzel. Both guys are better than Ehlers by a fair amount.

    Ehlers has some term but only 2 years and is 28 next year. The return would likely be a low 1st and a B prospect.


    I disagree these guys are much better than Ehlers. I think he's at the fairly close to the same level. Defensively responsible and close to point per game in terms of scoring. Also, both Nylander and Guentzel get serious help from their respective linemates, I don't think Ehlers has similar firepower with him. He's also had rotten luck with injuries.
    Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:09 p.m.
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    Hellebuyck would definitely need to come with a reasonable extension for that to be worth it for the Sens, especially since it'd 100% mean losing DeBrincat. with that in mind, I assume that the Jets would prefer to get picks/assets rather than DeBrincat himself? (not saying it'd be one for one, just as a general concept)


    Yeah if WPG decides to towards the direction of a retool, DeBrincat is not much use for them.

    If I had to guess what happens with him, he either goes to Detroit or St. Louis. Reportedly both of them would be interested in his services, and both have assets to give up in return for him.
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
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    I disagree these guys are much better than Ehlers. I think he's at the fairly close to the same level. Defensively responsible and close to point per game in terms of scoring. Also, both Nylander and Guentzel get serious help from their respective linemates, I don't think Ehlers has similar firepower with him. He's also had rotten luck with injuries.


    If you exclude the injuries and account for linemates, he does get closer to the realm of Guentzel and Nylander but a team likely won't exclude those factors. Even then, the return would be either 2023 1st and a B- prospect or a 2024 first and an B+ prospect. In this case, Pickering and a 2024 1st. That would only work if Pit thought his injury woes were behind him.

    I don't disagree with the trade just the return.
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
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    OTT declines, overpay
    Apr. 30, 2023 at 3:36 p.m.
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    If you exclude the injuries and account for linemates, he does get closer to the realm of Guentzel and Nylander but a team likely won't exclude those factors. Even then, the return would be either 2023 1st and a B- prospect or a 2024 first and an B+ prospect. In this case, Pickering and a 2024 1st. That would only work if Pit thought his injury woes were behind him.

    I don't disagree with the trade just the return.


    Fwiw I think it all counts down to how you view Nikolaj Ehlers as a player. Just for the record I went to check out how Evolving hockey has ranked these two forwards in past 3 years. Here's the chart they provided.

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    For last 3 years Ehlers and Guentzel are basically equal, or Ehlers get a slight edge in just about everything. The big minus for him though is that he's accrued a total of over thousand minutes less of ice time due to injuries.

    Would I call him as valuable as Guentzel...probably not, but 1st+b prospect is far from the correct valuation imo. That's less than freaking Jeannot got.
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 4:42 p.m.
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    What would Demelo cost the Sabres? He’s a perfect fit
    Apr. 30, 2023 at 5:53 p.m.
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    1st + 2nd + Joseph should be enough for a 30 y/o goalie

    Brannstrom and Merilainen have way more value than people think
    Apr. 30, 2023 at 6:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xspyrit
    1st + 2nd + Joseph should be enough for a 30 y/o goalie

    Brannstrom and Merilainen have way more value than people think


    Depends on the goalie. If it's a Top5 one in the world, I would disagree.

    Brännström is a 5th D in your depth chart, Meriläinen is 2nd in goalies. They're far from your best assets to give.
    Apr. 30, 2023 at 6:37 p.m.
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    Depends on the goalie. If it's a Top5 one in the world, I would disagree.

    Brännström is a 5th D in your depth chart, Meriläinen is 2nd in goalies. They're far from your best assets to give.


    Well Merilainen is a pure prospect, 20 y/o this season. He dominated in the Liiga and AHL

    Brannstrom took a giant leap in his development, he was excellent this season, great defensive advanced stats. He was just 23 y/o

    Yes he's the #5 right now but that's because Sens have an absurd LD side (but weak RD side)

    I'm not adding them on top of 1st + 2nd + Joseph
    Apr. 30, 2023 at 6:48 p.m.
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    Fwiw I think it all counts down to how you view Nikolaj Ehlers as a player. Just for the record I went to check out how Evolving hockey has ranked these two forwards in past 3 years. Here's the chart they provided.

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    For last 3 years Ehlers and Guentzel are basically equal, or Ehlers get a slight edge in just about everything. The big minus for him though is that he's accrued a total of over thousand minutes less of ice time due to injuries.

    Would I call him as valuable as Guentzel...probably not, but 1st+b prospect is far from the correct valuation imo. That's less than freaking Jeannot got.


    Well let's compare them this year.
    Ehlers:
    Expected Goals / 60: 1.0
    Corsi: 63%
    Relative Expected Goals: 10%
    Expected Goals Against/ 60: 2.7
    Created Goals: 13

    Guentzel
    Expected Goals / 60: 1.5
    Corsi: 60%
    Relative Expected Goals: 10%
    Expected Goals Against/ 60: 3.4
    Created Goals: 38

    So comparing the two, Guentzel is a better scorer by 0.5 Goals per 60. Ehlers is better at preventing goals by 0.7 per 60. That's pretty even. Guentzel creates more goals so his linemates helped but he was still a major contributor.

    After looking at their stats, I will concede they are much closer than I thought. The negative for Guentzel is he has one year left. The negatives got Ehlers is that he only has two years left and a larger injury history.

    Based on that, I would keep Guentzel's worth at a medium 1st and an A prospect. I would up Ehlers worth from a low 1st and a B to a medium 1st and a B or a low 1st and an A-. Slightly less than Guentzel.
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    Apr. 30, 2023 at 7:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xspyrit
    Well Merilainen is a pure prospect, 20 y/o this season. He dominated in the Liiga and AHL

    Brannstrom took a giant leap in his development, he was excellent this season, great defensive advanced stats. He was just 23 y/o

    Yes he's the #5 right now but that's because Sens have an absurd LD side (but weak RD side)

    I'm not adding them on top of 1st + 2nd + Joseph


    Dominated is a strong word. He played like a solid 1G would in Liiga, but it wasn't anything truly mesmerizing. Plus his team ended up being basically the Pittsburgh of Finland - a major disappointment in regards to expectations. Also, he only played four games in AHL, although played well. Sample size is rather small.

    I think these assets are fairly expendable for Ottawa. Value-wise it obviously costs for them, but a) you gotta give to get some real quality and b) the assets they give up don't hurt them that bad honestly.
    Apr. 30, 2023 at 7:22 p.m.
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    What would Demelo cost the Sabres? He’s a perfect fit


    Prolly a 2nd round pick+later pick or prospect equivalent to that.
    May 1, 2023 at 5:59 p.m.
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    Dominated is a strong word. He played like a solid 1G would in Liiga, but it wasn't anything truly mesmerizing. Plus his team ended up being basically the Pittsburgh of Finland - a major disappointment in regards to expectations. Also, he only played four games in AHL, although played well. Sample size is rather small.

    I think these assets are fairly expendable for Ottawa. Value-wise it obviously costs for them, but a) you gotta give to get some real quality and b) the assets they give up don't hurt them that bad honestly.


    Even star goalies don't have as much value as star forwards/D-men

    I'm not paying a cent over 1st + 2nd + Joseph

    Brannstrom and Merilainen are "fairly expendable" yes but they have good value to us. We're not throwing them. Remove the 1st and you can have them
    May 1, 2023 at 7:59 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xspyrit
    Even star goalies don't have as much value as star forwards/D-men

    I'm not paying a cent over 1st + 2nd + Joseph

    Brannstrom and Merilainen are "fairly expendable" yes but they have good value to us. We're not throwing them. Remove the 1st and you can have them


    Nah. Can't see it happening that way. Forget Hellebuyck.
    May 2, 2023 at 10:31 a.m.
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    Nah. Can't see it happening that way. Forget Hellebuyck.


    Yes there is always smarter/cheaper options. I'm more interested in solidifying the 2-way ability in the team in front of the goalie

    Hellebuyck is good but did you know that Forsberg was had on waivers in 2021-22? He came in and was more than excellent all year, finishing with twice the GSAA than Hellebuyck

    Sens need to find another Forsberg, need a solid tandem, not a starter, a poor backup and a flawed roster (the Dorion way)
     
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