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2022-23 NHL Playoff Discussion Thread #2: Ryan Suter is the biggest bird

May 8, 2023 at 1:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Brian2016
All due respect to money puck, how could FLA not be the odds on favorite rn. EDM is looking very dangerous, but their 2nd round series is tied 1-1 while FLA is a virtual lock to advance.


It’s based on historic team performance and primarily iirc 5v5 shot generation and expected goals.

Obviously no model would ever be “right” but iirc they’ve been iterating on the model for 6 years, adjusting it to be more accurate.
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May 8, 2023 at 1:32 p.m.
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Edited May 8, 2023 at 1:39 p.m.
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Excuses, excuses. The Leafs' big guns just don't come through in crunch time, while Edmonton's do.

Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares have combined for zero goals and just 4 assists in 3 games against Florida. That just isn't good enough.


How is it an excuse lul

In the pacific goaltendings a myth nobody is good over there but Grubauer who is defying all logic

EDM faces actual goaltending Drai probs doesnt have 13 goals. Cause look who they got Korpisalo (looked good for LA but lets be real not a true starter) and a backup named Brossoit as VGK's starter. If EDM had to go up against actual goaltending Drai probs doesnt have the totals. As Vezina level goaltending is diff than AHL level over there
May 8, 2023 at 1:43 p.m.
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How is it an excuse lul

In the pacific goaltendings a myth nobody is good over there but Grubauer who is defying all logic

EDM faces actual goaltending Drai probs doesnt have 13 goals as Ullmark and Bobrosky would probs do their jobs. Cause look who they got Korpisalo and a backup named Brossoit as VGK's starter.

Edmonton would just break whoever they faced, like they broke Markstrom last year.

And Ullmark? Toronto didn't face Ullmark in the playoffs, no idea why you're bringing him up.
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May 8, 2023 at 1:48 p.m.
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Edmonton would just break whoever they faced, like they broke Markstrom last year.

And Ullmark? Toronto didn't face Ullmark in the playoffs, no idea why you're bringing him up.


Not really keep telling yourself that. If actual goaltending was faced EDM would find it challenging heck might not have made it. Took them 6 to beat LA with meh goaltending. They face Shesterkin, Sorokin, or any Vezina guy got a feeling there would be upset or a very close game. And Ullmark is a reference for the Atlantic as Ullmark, Vasilesky, heck this current Bob would give EDM a run for their money. Know Vasi didnt have a great series but it was TOR and he never liked us lul.

They got it easy over there with all the AHL level goaltending and its clouding peoples minds lul. As if there was actual goaltending in the pacific things would be a lot more challenging but other than Grubauer whose defying all logic nobody over theres been good.
May 8, 2023 at 2:05 p.m.
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Not really keep telling yourself that. If actual goaltending was faced EDM would find it challenging heck might not have made it. Took them 6 to beat LA with meh goaltending. They face Shesterkin, Sorokin, or any Vezina guy got a feeling there would be upset or a very close game. And Ullmark is a reference for the Atlantic as Ullmark, Vasilesky, heck this current Bob would give EDM a run for their money. Know Vasi didnt have a great series but it was TOR and he never liked us lul.

They got it easy over there with all the AHL level goaltending and its clouding peoples minds lul. As if there was actual goaltending in the pacific things would be a lot more challenging but other than Grubauer whose defying all logic nobody over theres been good.


LA was considered one of the best defensive teams on the league. Korpisalo had a 2.13 GAA and .921 sv% for them in the regular season. In the playoffs he broke, posting 3.77 GAA / .892 sv%. But yeah, let's pretend he's just an AHLer.

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May 8, 2023 at 2:09 p.m.
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LA was considered one of the best defensive teams on the league. Korpisalo had a 2.13 GAA and .921 sv% for them in the regular season. In the playoffs he broke, posting 3.77 GAA / .892 sv%. But yeah, let's pretend he's just an AHLer.

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Would not use an 11 game sample to justify things lul. And with that meh number took em to 6 so what would have happened if they faced actual goaltending probs not an answer people would want over there.

Try a 50game sample on a single team like Shesterkin, Vasi, Sorokin, etc.

The cloud be really thicc over there mind need a gust of wind to clear the mind into reality. Pacific got no goaltending its a myth a legend. Only Grubauer whose defying all logic rn has figured it out. If there was actual goaltending down there got a feeling the numbers for a lot of guys would be much lower but as we saw all through this year goaltending is a non option over there lul
May 8, 2023 at 2:27 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Would not use an 11 game sample to justify things lul. And with that meh number took em to 6 so what would have happened if they faced actual goaltending probs not an answer people would want over there.

Try a 50game sample on a single team like Shesterkin, Vasi, Sorokin, etc.

The cloud be really thicc over there mind need a gust of wind to clear the mind into reality. Pacific got no goaltending its a myth a legend. Only Grubauer whose defying all logic rn has figured it out. If there was actual goaltending down there got a feeling the numbers for a lot of guys would be much lower but as we saw all through this year goaltending is a non option over there lul

Lots of excuses - just like the Leafs players and management!

LUL!
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May 8, 2023 at 5:47 p.m.
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Not really keep telling yourself that. If actual goaltending was faced EDM would find it challenging heck might not have made it. Took them 6 to beat LA with meh goaltending. They face Shesterkin, Sorokin, or any Vezina guy got a feeling there would be upset or a very close game. And Ullmark is a reference for the Atlantic as Ullmark, Vasilesky, heck this current Bob would give EDM a run for their money. Know Vasi didnt have a great series but it was TOR and he never liked us lul.

They got it easy over there with all the AHL level goaltending and its clouding peoples minds lul. As if there was actual goaltending in the pacific things would be a lot more challenging but other than Grubauer whose defying all logic nobody over theres been good.


Based on goalie reputation for sure, but looking at GSAx EDM actually faced better goaltending in round 1 than TOR did
May 8, 2023 at 5:56 p.m.
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Based on goalie reputation for sure, but looking at GSAx EDM actually faced better goaltending in round 1 than TOR did


In general when I look at the pacific goaltending is basically a non factor over there

Like if goalies over there had Atlantic or Metro numbers the scoring would probs be pretty low.

Honestly if Sorokin, Shesterkin, was over there things would be spicy as even if the team was **** in front one of those guys probs would win a series against anyone even jesus lul. But hey Hellybuyck could end up in LA this summer

Gonna be interesting as man the avg just gonna continue to drop thanks to them lul
May 8, 2023 at 7:45 p.m.
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DOPS clown show, part 90



May 8, 2023 at 7:51 p.m.
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Aho had already lost his composure and was slashing and cross-checking people all over the ice…Tatar reacted…rightly booked with a 2 minute high-sticking minor at time.

Staal treats Hughes face like a baseball. No call.

Good job, guys.
May 8, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.
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Ah **** here we go
May 8, 2023 at 10:26 p.m.
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Oil/Leafs playoff defense is carbon-copy of each other - they both b l o w e...
May 8, 2023 at 11:28 p.m.
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Did Broissoit get injured or just pulled really really fast?
May 8, 2023 at 11:37 p.m.
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Did Broissoit get injured or just pulled really really fast?


Injured
May 9, 2023 at 2:17 a.m.
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Did Broissoit get injured or just pulled really really fast?


But hey Hill increasing his FA value lul

Looked really good
May 9, 2023 at 6:38 a.m.
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Dallas Oilers and Edmonton Stars...it's kinda random how their playoffs have been almost identical result wise.
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May 9, 2023 at 9:50 a.m.
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Not really keep telling yourself that. If actual goaltending was faced EDM would find it challenging heck might not have made it. Took them 6 to beat LA with meh goaltending. They face Shesterkin, Sorokin, or any Vezina guy got a feeling there would be upset or a very close game. And Ullmark is a reference for the Atlantic as Ullmark, Vasilesky, heck this current Bob would give EDM a run for their money. Know Vasi didnt have a great series but it was TOR and he never liked us lul.

They got it easy over there with all the AHL level goaltending and its clouding peoples minds lul. As if there was actual goaltending in the pacific things would be a lot more challenging but other than Grubauer whose defying all logic nobody over theres been good.


Markstrom was a Vezina finalist last year and played very well vs Dallas in the QF, the Oilers shredded him. Quick played out of his mind last playoffs. Korpisalo this year wasn't a world beater, but him and Skinner played pretty evenly. You can argue goaltending all day, but Edmonton has faced very good goaltenders as well. Outside of the series against Tampa this year, the Leafs stars, specifically Matthews and Marner haven't been nearly good enough to win. The difference between Edmonton and Toronto in this comparison is their star players coming through. It has been argued for years that the Leafs are horrible defensively, and the same can be said for Edmonton. The point I'm making is that if you're going to lose the series in your own end, you can't lose it in the offensive zone too. If you exclude the first round this year vs Tampa (or even include it) where Matthews and Marner both played exceptionally well, they are nowhere near the same playoff caliber as McDavid and Draisaitl. Both of them are nearly @ 2 ppg in the playoffs and if they didn't perform vs Tampa this year, Matthews and Marner would hardly be at a point per game. Edmonton doesn't lose their series' in the McDavid era because of lack of offense, regardless of what goaltender they face.
May 9, 2023 at 10:50 a.m.
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Quoting: UpsideDownQue
Based on goalie reputation for sure, but looking at GSAx EDM actually faced better goaltending in round 1 than TOR did


if you said korpisalo would be better than vasy during the playoffs, you'd be considered insane.
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May 9, 2023 at 11:24 a.m.
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if you said korpisalo would be better than vasy during the playoffs, you'd be considered insane.


Yeah but he was though
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May 9, 2023 at 7:13 p.m.
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Capital of the Country is the capital of the hockey playoffs

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May 9, 2023 at 7:36 p.m.
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Capital of the Country is the capital of the hockey playoffs

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An improbable but inspiring run. For the first time in their 45 year history....a Stanley Cup for Los Angeles. The Kings....are the Kings!
May 9, 2023 at 7:41 p.m.
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Am I gonna make ACGM's of a hypothetical lineup with Celebrini as a Flyer at the end of the year? Yes---yes I am.
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May 9, 2023 at 8:28 p.m.
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Devils goaltending has been horrid this round
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May 9, 2023 at 8:29 p.m.
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Florida @ Carolina???? Book it! Gonna be a hell of a series!
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