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Created by: ecupirate07
Team: 2023-24 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: May 4, 2023
Published: May 4, 2023
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would be a value get for the canes.
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    May 4, 2023 at 9:50 a.m.
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    I would say the starting point would be Kochetkov or Morrow (I'd prefer Morrow), along with another prospect like Gunler or Drury, and 2 high draft picks. That may sound like a lot, but getting two players like Hart and Provy, that's the price. Provy plays 24+ mins a game and in a system that made Tony Deangelo look good, Provy will absolutely shine and is a top pairing guy. Hart is 24 and has amazing stats when you look at the teams he has played behind, on a team like Carolina, he'd be a Vezina candidate within the next 2-4 years.
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    May 4, 2023 at 10:09 a.m.
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    LAF at 6m is an overpay in $$$$., Canes could certainly get a just as good or better winger for 6m, and not give up a first to get him. Same with spending over 10m for those Flyers. Gee, betcha you can do just as well in free agency. or even a second round offer sheet for one of player.
    May 4, 2023 at 10:16 a.m.
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    I wonder...
    Do you Canes fans really like KKniemi enough to keep him or would you rather use him in a trade?
    May 4, 2023 at 10:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    LAF at 6m is an overpay in $$$$., Canes could certainly get a just as good or better winger for 6m, and not give up a first to get him. Same with spending over 10m for those Flyers. Gee, betcha you can do just as well in free agency. or even a second round offer sheet for one of player.


    Agree, this is just needlessly paying a premium for no real advantage
    your point on LaF is spot on. But also you want to demote Skjei after a career year and pay a 3rd line D-man over $5m.

    If the goal is to just get younger, keep the draft picks and rely on the D pipeline of Morrow and Nikishin coming up in a couple years.
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    May 4, 2023 at 10:24 a.m.
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    Quoting: greytcanes
    Agree, this is just needlessly paying a premium for no real advantage
    your point on LaF is spot on. But also you want to demote Skjei after a career year and pay a 3rd line D-man over $5m.

    If the goal is to just get younger, keep the draft picks and rely on the D pipeline of Morrow and Nikishin coming up in a couple years.


    The Canes are on of few teams that "check the good boxes". Good to very good team, Have cap, now and in the future, have pipeline of picks and prospects. No need to change much to current roster for 23/24.
    May 4, 2023 at 10:25 a.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    LAF at 6m is an overpay in $$$$., Canes could certainly get a just as good or better winger for 6m, and not give up a first to get him. Same with spending over 10m for those Flyers. Gee, betcha you can do just as well in free agency. or even a second round offer sheet for one of player.


    sure Laf at 6 is an overpay. It needs to be an overpay to be successful. He isnt as bad as the heat is taking right now. The Rangers need a fall boy after their entire team decided to take 4 games off in the series. He put up respectable numbers while being the 3LW.

    Canes would much rather go get those 2 in the trades than go in FA. dipping in FA typically requires signing guys to 3-7 years. The canes will want as much cap flexibility as possible.

    Prov can take over for Skjei in year 2. He'll be 28, which will be a lot more enticing to re-sign than 30 year old Skjei.
    Hart's deal will end after 1 year but has control. If he works out we can re-sign him but he also gives us maximum cap flexibility to keep Aho, Necas, and Jarvis too if he doesnt pan out. There wont be a goalie on the market worth investing big dollars to term into.
    May 4, 2023 at 10:28 a.m.
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    Quoting: Blasphem_Guy
    I wonder...
    Do you Canes fans really like KKniemi enough to keep him or would you rather use him in a trade?


    trade him? why? at worst he will be a very good replacement (not perfect) for Staal in a season. At best he gets to be a good 2 way 50-60 point center. He provided more value than his cap hit this season and is likely to increase his value as he improves and AAVs go up across the league.
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    May 4, 2023 at 10:33 a.m.
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    Quoting: ecupirate07
    sure Laf at 6 is an overpay. It needs to be an overpay to be successful. He isnt as bad as the heat is taking right now. The Rangers need a fall boy after their entire team decided to take 4 games off in the series. He put up respectable numbers while being the 3LW.

    Canes would much rather go get those 2 in the trades than go in FA. dipping in FA typically requires signing guys to 3-7 years. The canes will want as much cap flexibility as possible.

    Prov can take over for Skjei in year 2. He'll be 28, which will be a lot more enticing to re-sign than 30 year old Skjei.
    Hart's deal will end after 1 year but has control. If he works out we can re-sign him but he also gives us maximum cap flexibility to keep Aho, Necas, and Jarvis too if he doesnt pan out. There wont be a goalie on the market worth investing big dollars to term into.


    Seems like the Canes have two upcoming UFA goalies that are easily signable.....Anderson and Rantaa, why not keep at least one of those guys. If I swinging for a RFA, it would be Swayman or Rangers Miller
    LAF..Gee, sign a good UFA for cheaper than 6m cheaper and keep your picks.. I'm thinking Bunting of the Leafs.
    May 4, 2023 at 10:49 a.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    Seems like the Canes have two upcoming UFA goalies that are easily signable.....Anderson and Rantaa, why not keep at least one of those guys. If I swinging for a RFA, it would be Swayman or Rangers Miller
    LAF..Gee, sign a good UFA for cheaper than 6m cheaper and keep your picks.. I'm thinking Bunting of the Leafs.


    Again, Bunting is going to cost too much term for the canes to be interested. Bunting is too out of control with his play to be of interest either.

    Both of those goalies are injured often and are inconsistent. The Canes will need a goalie they can count on to play at least 45 starts in case Kochetkov reverts back to his old habits.
    May 4, 2023 at 10:50 a.m.
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    trade him? why? at worst he will be a very good replacement (not perfect) for Staal in a season. At best he gets to be a good 2 way 50-60 point center. He provided more value than his cap hit this season and is likely to increase his value as he improves and AAVs go up across the league.


    Yeah that's what I was thinking. He would have value in a trade but it makes no sense to do it just a year after letting Trocheck walk. Also, replacement via trade or FA would cost more, which is pretty much textbook bad asset management.
    May 4, 2023 at 11:16 a.m.
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    I like the thought behind the acquisitions of Hart and Provorov, but I am not at all a fan of Provorov’s attitude. Hart makes a lot of sense to target. High quality goalie who has looked good at times on a bad Flyers team. Provorov does have his fair share of controversy, but pairing him with Pesce would likely be able to bring out all he can offer, like what we have seen when he has played with Niskanen and Ellis. That being said, if anyone can fix his attitude issue, it would be Rod. Rumor is that Philly is willing to retain salary on Provorov to get him moved, so the main prize would be Hart. 23 1st, 24 1st, 24 2nd (PHI), and maybe 1 or 2 prospects of Suzuki, Drury, Rees, Ponomarev, Gunler, or Koivunen for Hart and Provorov (half retained), that would be my template for an offer.

    As for you other moves @ecupirate07 I am personally a big fan of the Laf move. He has shown flashes of what got him drafted 1OA, and I think that with the Canes defensive structure around him, Rod can really kick start his career. The risk vs reward is pretty good as well, since no matter what way you look at it, I can’t see the Rangers giving him up for less than a first.

    The timeline for guys like Morrow and Nikishin to jump into the lineup is also really good with this roster.
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    May 4, 2023 at 3:24 p.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    The Canes are on of few teams that "check the good boxes". Good to very good team, Have cap, now and in the future, have pipeline of picks and prospects. No need to change much to current roster for 23/24.


    Exactly... I'm personally in the camp of bringing the gang back again for another round (including Pacioretty). We were this good while dealing with injury problems so let's see how good we are if we can stay away from the Injury concerns.
    May 4, 2023 at 3:33 p.m.
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    Kochetkov, Nikishin is where it starts.
    May 4, 2023 at 3:57 p.m.
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    Kochetkov, Nikishin is where it starts.


    lol good one. Prov had a surplus value of -4.7 million and Hart wants out. Canes are looking to get guys undervalued because of poor performance and get more out of them.
    May 4, 2023 at 3:59 p.m.
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    lol good one. both have underperformed. Canes are looking to get guys undervalued because of poor performance and get more out of them.


    I'll give you Provy has underperformed but he's still a top pairing D man that eats up 24 min/game. Hart hasn't underperformed at all and unless it's an overpay, there is ZERO reason for us to move him.
    May 6, 2023 at 12:51 p.m.
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    lol good one. Prov had a surplus value of -4.7 million and Hart wants out. Canes are looking to get guys undervalued because of poor performance and get more out of them.


    Lmao what have you been reading that Hart wants out? That’s comical. To get both of those players it starts with your 2 best prospects and then probably 2 first round picks. Hart would be one of the best in the league behind a good defense and Canes made TDA look okay last year imagine what Provy would look like. Just because he hasn’t been performing on a bad team doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be very solid on a good team.
     
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