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Jets actually rebuild

Created by: Howie
Team: 2023-24 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: May 5, 2023
Published: May 5, 2023
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Not saying all these trades happen but more matching players with teams and returns that make sense. Didn't trade helle, ehlers, Connor, etc as with so many trades it becomes more and more unrealistic. Also some teams would likely be in on multiple players (Detroit, Buffalo, Colorado and even some that I didn't mention here).

I get a rebuild is not the most likely thing to happen but eh whatever
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,500,000
2$1,500,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
Trades
1.
WPG
  1. Beck, Owen
  2. Dvorak, Christian
  3. Kidney, Riley
  4. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
  5. 2023 4th round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Jet get back a first (29th-32nd)

Beck is included but could be 2 from kidney, Beck, mesar. (Chose beck and kidney to not trade Slafkovsky's buddy)

Dvorak or Hoffman can be the cap coming back. Chose dvorak

Pick swap to upgrade 1 round from a 5th to a 4th
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
  2. Gawanke, Leon
  3. Vesalainen, Kristian [Reserve List]
  4. 2023 5th round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
Mtl gets Dubois who can sign his long term deal now and for less than what pick 17 would be (17th and kidney would be a base if Florida loses)

Gawanke gives mtl some rhd depth while also having some upside in the nhl if injuries are as apparent.

Vesalainen rights expire when he's 27. He is a big power forward shooter that really didn't get put in a position to succeed. Could be a flyer on him but there is definitely upside if chosen to sign.

Pick swap lowers one of the 2023 4ths to a 5th
2.
WPG
  1. Jokiharju, Henri
  2. Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
Jets get a 2024 second round pick which is probably either similar to this year or a playoff team second

UPL really has done okay at the nhl level for being a young goalie on a growing team but with Levi, comrie and possibly a veteran goalie he becomes expendable. Could be a good 1b goalie into the future with dom

Jokiharju is a young rhd that would be subject to less time in bringing in demelo so giving him an opportunity to grow with the jets he could become more on the jets
BUF
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
  2. Stanley, Logan
Additional Details:
Buffalo gets a great two way dman known for his defense. He had a breakout offensive year and could be a great partner for power on that second pair and pk duties.

Stanley would be a nice 6/7 dman on the bottom pair that fits the age core and gives them a different look than in years past with a 6'7 dman that can still improve.
3.
WPG
  1. Pickering, Owen
  2. Rutta, Jan
Additional Details:
Jets get a cap casualty in rutta who can be a good dman sometimes but ultimately just here to make the cap work

Pickering is a lhd that is a local boy and could be a good middle pair dman that isn't amazing at anything in particular but just all around sound dman
PIT
  1. Dillon, Brenden ($1,950,000 retained)
  2. 2024 5th round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
Pittsburgh gets a lhd that could be bottom or middle pair at 50% retained to save them 800k which in the cap world next season is key in keeping guys or signings. Also get a late round pick.
4.
WPG
  1. Lucius, Cruz [Reserve List]
  2. 2024 6th round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
Jets get Chaz's brother who had a great year at Wisconsin. Get a late pick as well.
CAR
  1. Wheeler, Blake ($4,125,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Canes get a middle six veteran that could help with depth but be a great option for 2nd pp and 2nd/3rd line scoring. Also a great playmaker and with size isn't the most outrageous bet to put on especially for the price and prospects that the Canes have.
5.
WPG
  1. Newhook, Alex [RFA Rights]
  2. 2024 1st round pick (COL)
  3. 2024 4th round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
Jets get newhook who now has been given all the opportunity to be what they need in the 2c but he definitely needs some type of change where he regains confidence and swagger. He may not reach what was seen but he's a nhl caliber player with upside.

2024 first that is protected incase something goes south. Another mid 2024 pick that could be replaced with Merkley if he would be a better piece to include.
COL
  1. Scheifele, Mark ($3,062,500 retained)
Additional Details:
Colorado gets their 2c in scheifele who was such a consistent player in being right on ppg. Could take a pay cut to play with a good team as getting a cup may be his priority rather than maximizing his earnings
6.
WPG
  1. Zadina, Filip
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
  3. 2025 4th round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
Jets get zadina who again like the trend needs a change of scenery where he can get more ice time and responsibilities.

Jets geta a 2nd rounder this year in hopes Cam Allen drops as to get a rhd prospect in the system.

Also gets boston's 4th in 2025 just based on the performance pionk had in playoffs
DET
  1. Pionk, Neal
Additional Details:
Detroit get a rhd dman that can play in all situations physical and able to put up points. At this price with 2 years can really build up with the team and create an identity of a great dcore offensively and defensively
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$71,404,525$0$932,500$12,095,475
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,142,857$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 3
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$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,100,000$1,100,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$3,250,000$3,250,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$2,166,667$2,166,667
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$775,000$775,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$885,000$885,000
C
RFA - 4
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$850,000$850,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$836,667$836,667 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
C
RFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$837,500$837,500
G
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$5,950,000$5,950,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$6,166,667$6,166,667
G
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
G
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1

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May 5, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.
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I have no idea what jokiharjus value is, but after risto got us a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd pairing defenseman, I am not inclined to consider him a toss in
May 5, 2023 at 3:55 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I have no idea what jokiharjus value is, but after risto got us a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd pairing defenseman, I am not inclined to consider him a toss in


He's not a toss in but with the acquisition of demelo 1 of him or lybushkin is not playing. Also getting stanley for the 3ld would give them back another young dman that can grown with the team so in terms of young dman you lose one and get one.
May 5, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
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if dvorak and hoffman have the same value to you, MTL puts in hoffman 100% lol. That being said i dont think mtl will trade for Dubois if thats the price and depending on where they land in the draft may not be all too interested in him period.
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May 5, 2023 at 3:58 p.m.
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Yes
May 5, 2023 at 3:59 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I have no idea what jokiharjus value is, but after risto got us a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd pairing defenseman, I am not inclined to consider him a toss in


Risto had several things Fletcher coveted. He had a rocket of a shot, size, and he was very physical and loved to hit. Joker doesn't possess any of those qualities. He's not as terrible as some make him out to be, as he's still young. He just doesn't have those traits that some GM's overpay for.

Personally if DeMelo was willing to extend I like the deal for the Sabres. He does all the things they need from a RD target. He plays good defensively, he blocks shots, he's physical when he needs to be, and he logs a ton of PK minutes. Stanley is just depth, but probably better depth than Bryson or Clague. Maybe the 2nd is conditional on making the playoffs or something, otherwise it's a 3rd.
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May 5, 2023 at 3:59 p.m.
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He's not a toss in but with the acquisition of demelo 1 of him or lybushkin is not playing. Also getting stanley for the 3ld would give them back another young dman that can grown with the team so in terms of young dman you lose one and get one.


Jokiharju and Lyubushkin could be the 3rd pair.

I'm fine trading him, but it feels like he's being treated as a cherry on top.

Stanley has no value, wasn't he on waivers? He is older than almost our entire roster
May 5, 2023 at 4:00 p.m.
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if dvorak and hoffman have the same value to you, MTL puts in hoffman 100% lol. That being said i dont think mtl will trade for Dubois if thats the price and depending on where they land in the draft may not be all too interested in him period.


You can't deny though if the pick is at 29th rather than 17th more assets would need to be included. Many say Dvorak 17th and kidney as a trade that works. Moving down that many spots is massive considering the draft. I put in Dvorak which saves mtl more cap over time than Hoffman who has only one year and could be traded but either works. Obviously pick position matters if they slide or move up but this more or less assumes 29th pick and mtl stays at 5.
May 5, 2023 at 4:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Funksoljah
Risto had several things Fletcher coveted. He had a rocket of a shot, size, and he was very physical and loved to hit. Joker doesn't possess any of those qualities. He's not as terrible as some make him out to be, as he's still young. He just doesn't have those traits that some GM's overpay for.

Personally if DeMelo was willing to extend I like the deal for the Sabres. He does all the things they need from a RD target. He plays good defensively, he blocks shots, he's physical when he needs to be, and he logs a ton of PK minutes. Stanley is just depth, but probably better depth than Bryson or Clague.


Exactly and I don't see why demelo wouldn't want to extend with a team that is on the up and up. Like he would be a great partner for either dahlin or power but power could really emerge if he has a sound dman with him. Look at Morrissey he was able to be more offensive then most as demelo was a rock that could make up for it. Definitely right about bang on value but joker definitely is a piece that buffalo would ideally keep but getting demelo definitely improves the team towards playoffs.
May 5, 2023 at 4:05 p.m.
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Yes


Yeah like I was going to try and do a pionk and helle deal but I decided against it as I didn't want people upset and trying to figure out what part is what and complain about it being not enough or too much as goalies values tend to be the most volatile as they don't get as much in return as they should but the views on their value range more than players.
May 5, 2023 at 4:08 p.m.
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Dillon at 50% off saves the Penguins all of $800,000. Don't you think that they'd rather keep their former first-round pick, given their dearth of prospects at any position?
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May 5, 2023 at 4:11 p.m.
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Dillon at 50% off saves the Penguins all of $800,000. Don't you think that they'd rather keep their former first-round pick, given their dearth of prospects at any position?


Fair point. I was just looking at teams that need a lhd that is more or less a playoff team. Pittsburgh may not be the right fit but the concept stays the same as trading Dillon to a team that needs lhd. I agree that pickering may be a tad high on the ask but felt getting a player than a pick with Pittsburgh made more sense
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May 5, 2023 at 4:14 p.m.
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You can't deny though if the pick is at 29th rather than 17th more assets would need to be included. Many say Dvorak 17th and kidney as a trade that works. Moving down that many spots is massive considering the draft. I put in Dvorak which saves mtl more cap over time than Hoffman who has only one year and could be traded but either works. Obviously pick position matters if they slide or move up but this more or less assumes 29th pick and mtl stays at 5.


Pick position certainly matters, I think Dvorak has more value than hoffman even with the extra years because theres more to his game than offensive production, when hoffman isnt scoring goals theres not much reason to even dress him. I do think if florida's pick ends up being 29th or worse that basically solidifies that a dubois trade wont happen for the exact reason you just mention, i dont see mtl wanting to add more assets to offset the difference, but that also depends on who the jets would be interested in.
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May 5, 2023 at 4:16 p.m.
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Quoting: habs_need_Scoring
if dvorak and hoffman have the same value to you, MTL puts in hoffman 100% lol. That being said i dont think mtl will trade for Dubois if thats the price and depending on where they land in the draft may not be all too interested in him period.


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May 5, 2023 at 4:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Howie
You can't deny though if the pick is at 29th rather than 17th more assets would need to be included. Many say Dvorak 17th and kidney as a trade that works. Moving down that many spots is massive considering the draft. I put in Dvorak which saves mtl more cap over time than Hoffman who has only one year and could be traded but either works. Obviously pick position matters if they slide or move up but this more or less assumes 29th pick and mtl stays at 5.

I still don't think the Habs are gonna use FLA's pick to get Dubois, but you and I went over this already.
I can garantee you one thing though; the Habs aren't gonna trade both Beck and Kidney, as this would obliterate their center depth (even moreso if you had Dvorak to the deal).

Gawanke would be of no use, as he's not an upgrade over 8 or 9 of our current defensemen. I use to be rather high on Vesalainen, but who knows if he'll ever come back. So it's pretty hard to give both of those assets any value in the trade.
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May 5, 2023 at 4:26 p.m.
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Quoting: habs_need_Scoring
Pick position certainly matters, I think Dvorak has more value than hoffman even with the extra years because theres more to his game than offensive production, when hoffman isnt scoring goals theres not much reason to even dress him. I do think if florida's pick ends up being 29th or worse that basically solidifies that a dubois trade wont happen for the exact reason you just mention, i dont see mtl wanting to add more assets to offset the difference, but that also depends on who the jets would be interested in.


I fully agree, if the value of FLA's pick drops from 17th to 29th that's a loss of asset value, I doubt MTL is eager to trade more assets to compensate for that loss - it would be better to stay patient and wait for Dubois to be a UFA.
May 5, 2023 at 4:32 p.m.
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Avs decline and no Newhook hasn't been given every chance to be the 2C. He's had a marginal sophomore slump. Been moved around the line up all over the place and never had the two wings he was intended to be played between to play with. Newhook is arguably the last guy they move for Schiefele. They'd want him afterwards to replace Schiefele. IF they went for Schiefele they'd have to move cap out, probably even with retention, and even then he's still only likely a rental. You also won't likely get Merkley on top as he was actually in a trade of two guys who needed a change of scenery and still has upside. These two teams are simply not a good match as trade partners imo.
May 5, 2023 at 4:37 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Dillon at 50% off saves the Penguins all of $800,000. Don't you think that they'd rather keep their former first-round pick, given their dearth of prospects at any position?


It's defniitely not a great match for the team. Also, if the Pens are interested in trading away Pickering I would hope it would be for a bigger name impact player, not a depth D.
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May 5, 2023 at 4:41 p.m.
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It's defniitely not a great match for the team. Also, if the Pens are interested in trading away Pickering I would hope it would be for a bigger name impact player, not a depth D.


Dillon is a top 4 d btw
May 5, 2023 at 4:45 p.m.
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Avs decline and no Newhook hasn't been given every chance to be the 2C. He's had a marginal sophomore slump. Been moved around the line up all over the place and never had the two wings he was intended to be played between to play with. Newhook is arguably the last guy they move for Schiefele. They'd want him afterwards to replace Schiefele. IF they went for Schiefele they'd have to move cap out, probably even with retention, and even then he's still only likely a rental. You also won't likely get Merkley on top as he was actually in a trade of two guys who needed a change of scenery and still has upside. These two teams are simply not a good match as trade partners imo.


They still need a 2c lol 😆
May 5, 2023 at 4:46 p.m.
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I fully agree, if the value of FLA's pick drops from 17th to 29th that's a loss of asset value, I doubt MTL is eager to trade more assets to compensate for that loss - it would be better to stay patient and wait for Dubois to be a UFA.


Okay 2024 first lol
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May 5, 2023 at 4:51 p.m.
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They still need a 2c lol 😆


That they may do. But your narrative is BS.
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May 5, 2023 at 4:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Howie
You can't deny though if the pick is at 29th rather than 17th more assets would need to be included. Many say Dvorak 17th and kidney as a trade that works. Moving down that many spots is massive considering the draft. I put in Dvorak which saves mtl more cap over time than Hoffman who has only one year and could be traded but either works. Obviously pick position matters if they slide or move up but this more or less assumes 29th pick and mtl stays at 5.


I think Montreal would rather go Hoffman + the Cats 1st + one of Kidney, Mesar or Beck + 2024 2nd + down grade the 4th to the 5th. It is the same value wise but we aren't really in the position to trade 2 of our top 5 prospects for PLD
May 5, 2023 at 4:53 p.m.
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That they may do. But your narrative is BS.


How many points did newhook have this year and is he really 2c caliber on the avs? It's not bs getting a ppg 2c that actually can score 40 goals is exactly what they need after they lost Kadri. Gotta give to get
Edit: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/703848 my trade I based it on from a Colorado agm
May 5, 2023 at 4:55 p.m.
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I think Montreal would rather go Hoffman + the Cats 1st + one of Kidney, Mesar or Beck + 2024 2nd + down grade the 4th to the 5th. It is the same value wise but we aren't really in the position to trade 2 of our top 5 prospects for PLD


Who are you're top 5 prospects as I was under the assumption that hutson Roy beck barron and Mailloux was that top 5
May 5, 2023 at 4:56 p.m.
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The PLD trade keeps getting more complex.

It was 17OA and Beck or Kidney and Hoffman if you really want him (not Dvorak).

The difference between 17 and 29-32 is not another of Beck or Kidney and a 4th. At least not in my eyes.
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