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Jets actually rebuild

Created by: Howie
Team: 2023-24 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: May 5, 2023
Published: May 5, 2023
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Not saying all these trades happen but more matching players with teams and returns that make sense. Didn't trade helle, ehlers, Connor, etc as with so many trades it becomes more and more unrealistic. Also some teams would likely be in on multiple players (Detroit, Buffalo, Colorado and even some that I didn't mention here).

I get a rebuild is not the most likely thing to happen but eh whatever
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,500,000
2$1,500,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
1$850,000
Trades
1.
WPG
  1. Beck, Owen
  2. Dvorak, Christian
  3. Kidney, Riley
  4. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
  5. 2023 4th round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Jet get back a first (29th-32nd)

Beck is included but could be 2 from kidney, Beck, mesar. (Chose beck and kidney to not trade Slafkovsky's buddy)

Dvorak or Hoffman can be the cap coming back. Chose dvorak

Pick swap to upgrade 1 round from a 5th to a 4th
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
  2. Gawanke, Leon
  3. Vesalainen, Kristian [Reserve List]
  4. 2023 5th round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
Mtl gets Dubois who can sign his long term deal now and for less than what pick 17 would be (17th and kidney would be a base if Florida loses)

Gawanke gives mtl some rhd depth while also having some upside in the nhl if injuries are as apparent.

Vesalainen rights expire when he's 27. He is a big power forward shooter that really didn't get put in a position to succeed. Could be a flyer on him but there is definitely upside if chosen to sign.

Pick swap lowers one of the 2023 4ths to a 5th
2.
WPG
  1. Jokiharju, Henri
  2. Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
Jets get a 2024 second round pick which is probably either similar to this year or a playoff team second

UPL really has done okay at the nhl level for being a young goalie on a growing team but with Levi, comrie and possibly a veteran goalie he becomes expendable. Could be a good 1b goalie into the future with dom

Jokiharju is a young rhd that would be subject to less time in bringing in demelo so giving him an opportunity to grow with the jets he could become more on the jets
BUF
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
  2. Stanley, Logan
Additional Details:
Buffalo gets a great two way dman known for his defense. He had a breakout offensive year and could be a great partner for power on that second pair and pk duties.

Stanley would be a nice 6/7 dman on the bottom pair that fits the age core and gives them a different look than in years past with a 6'7 dman that can still improve.
3.
WPG
  1. Pickering, Owen
  2. Rutta, Jan
Additional Details:
Jets get a cap casualty in rutta who can be a good dman sometimes but ultimately just here to make the cap work

Pickering is a lhd that is a local boy and could be a good middle pair dman that isn't amazing at anything in particular but just all around sound dman
PIT
  1. Dillon, Brenden ($1,950,000 retained)
  2. 2024 5th round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
Pittsburgh gets a lhd that could be bottom or middle pair at 50% retained to save them 800k which in the cap world next season is key in keeping guys or signings. Also get a late round pick.
4.
WPG
  1. Lucius, Cruz [Reserve List]
  2. 2024 6th round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
Jets get Chaz's brother who had a great year at Wisconsin. Get a late pick as well.
CAR
  1. Wheeler, Blake ($4,125,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Canes get a middle six veteran that could help with depth but be a great option for 2nd pp and 2nd/3rd line scoring. Also a great playmaker and with size isn't the most outrageous bet to put on especially for the price and prospects that the Canes have.
5.
WPG
  1. Newhook, Alex [RFA Rights]
  2. 2024 1st round pick (COL)
  3. 2024 4th round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
Jets get newhook who now has been given all the opportunity to be what they need in the 2c but he definitely needs some type of change where he regains confidence and swagger. He may not reach what was seen but he's a nhl caliber player with upside.

2024 first that is protected incase something goes south. Another mid 2024 pick that could be replaced with Merkley if he would be a better piece to include.
COL
  1. Scheifele, Mark ($3,062,500 retained)
Additional Details:
Colorado gets their 2c in scheifele who was such a consistent player in being right on ppg. Could take a pay cut to play with a good team as getting a cup may be his priority rather than maximizing his earnings
6.
WPG
  1. Zadina, Filip
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
  3. 2025 4th round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
Jets get zadina who again like the trend needs a change of scenery where he can get more ice time and responsibilities.

Jets geta a 2nd rounder this year in hopes Cam Allen drops as to get a rhd prospect in the system.

Also gets boston's 4th in 2025 just based on the performance pionk had in playoffs
DET
  1. Pionk, Neal
Additional Details:
Detroit get a rhd dman that can play in all situations physical and able to put up points. At this price with 2 years can really build up with the team and create an identity of a great dcore offensively and defensively
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2023
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2025
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23$83,500,000$71,404,525$0$932,500$12,095,475
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
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RFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, C
RFA - 1
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RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,166,667$2,166,667
RW
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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C, RW
UFA - 1
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C
RFA - 3
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
RFA - 1
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LD
RFA - 2
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$837,500$837,500
G
RFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$5,950,000$5,950,000
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UFA - 2
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May 5, 2023 at 4:57 p.m.
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Who are you're top 5 prospects as I was under the assumption that hutson Roy beck barron and Mailloux was that top 5


Hutson, Kidney, Beck, Mailloux and Roy Mesar isn't far behind them though and I feel like next year he is going to take a huge step forward
May 5, 2023 at 4:59 p.m.
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Who are you're top 5 prospects as I was under the assumption that hutson Roy beck barron and Mailloux was that top 5


I don't really consider Barron much of a prospect in the sense that he is a defacto NHL player since our RD depth is so shallow. I also think Mailloux is top 10 probably right there with Mesar for 6-8th
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May 5, 2023 at 5:00 p.m.
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The PLD trade keeps getting more complex.

It was 17OA and Beck or Kidney and Hoffman if you really want him (not Dvorak).

The difference between 17 and 29-32 is not another of Beck or Kidney and a 4th. At least not in my eyes.


Then what is added to a trade that was originally 17th say kidney to be safe and hoffman or Dvorak

29th is 12 spots later and the nhl player could be a massive drop especially in this draft. Without taking anyone out of the 17th pick trade what does mtl add and if it's not enough would 2024 first beck some other small prospect (mysak) and the cap player be the deal
May 5, 2023 at 5:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
Hutson, Kidney, Beck, Mailloux and Roy Mesar isn't far behind them though and I feel like next year he is going to take a huge step forward


Kidney would definitely be lower from an outside view as many q players xan dominate. Not saying he's bad or can't become an impact player just more or a chance he doesn't imo I'd have him last of the players mentioned
May 5, 2023 at 5:04 p.m.
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Then what is added to a trade that was originally 17th say kidney to be safe and hoffman or Dvorak

29th is 12 spots later and the nhl player could be a massive drop especially in this draft. Without taking anyone out of the 17th pick trade what does mtl add and if it's not enough would 2024 first beck some other small prospect (mysak) and the cap player be the deal


I would say adding the 2024 2nd from Colorado or something like that. Beck & Kidney have both surpassed their original draft value.

IMO Draft picks are lottery tickets, but players 1-3 years into their development post-draft are much closer to sure things.
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May 5, 2023 at 5:04 p.m.
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How many points did newhook have this year and is he really 2c caliber on the avs? It's not bs getting a ppg 2c that actually can score 40 goals is exactly what they need after they lost Kadri. Gotta give to get


He's a 22 yo who has just completed his 2nd season and was played mostly on the 4th line because Bednar felt JTC was performing better early in the year. After that Newhook never got another shot. JTC did the usual career year in a contract year thing and it's pretty obvious he was the 'de facto' 2C this year. Your narrative that Newhook is done in Colorado somehow and needs a change of scenery and has had 'every opportunity' at 2C is utter drivel! Schiefele is a 30 yo who has a poor rep and is a rental at the most. Your narrative is utter rubbish. Could the Avs trade Newhook? Of course. Do the Avs ideally need a 2C? Yes. Should they be trading Newhook and a 1st (plus) for a rental with a bad rep in Schiefele? Absolutely not!
May 5, 2023 at 5:07 p.m.
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Kidney would definitely be lower from an outside view as many q players xan dominate. Not saying he's bad or can't become an impact player just more or a chance he doesn't imo I'd have him last of the players mentioned


I would agree most of the time, I thought it was a bad choice for the Rags to take Laf 1st OVA just for that reason. However, Laf and Kidney have had similar point totals and play similar styles in the Q so if Laf is a regular at the NHL level Kidney also has that ability
May 5, 2023 at 5:29 p.m.
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I would agree most of the time, I thought it was a bad choice for the Rags to take Laf 1st OVA just for that reason. However, Laf and Kidney have had similar point totals and play similar styles in the Q so if Laf is a regular at the NHL level Kidney also has that ability


Difference is Kidney was not a 100 point player at the draft and has been on stacked teams. It's not hard to find a buch of other players with 100 point seasons in the q that never become anything. Just because laf did good in the nhl doesn't mean kidney will as well as they are Different players with different playstyles even if they are close. Q success does not translate 100% to nhl and again he is a late 2nd. Has his stock risen since the draft? Yes. Is the q the weakest chl league? Yes. Do many q players that have success struggle to find professional success? Yes. The point is Kidney is a good prospect but definitely not 2nd as that would likely make him an A prospect which he isn't. He's probably around a b prospect that likely becomes a middle six contributor but not a game breaker. Is there anything wrong with that upside? No but Roy, Mailloux and mesar definitely have a higher ceiling than Kidney.
May 5, 2023 at 5:44 p.m.
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Personally would rather not move Cruz Lucius. That being said, Wheeler half retained for a 4th and 5th, or a late 3rd, I wouldn’t mind terribly.
May 5, 2023 at 5:45 p.m.
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Pens laugh and hang up. Dillon is Dumolin 2.0 (and i'm not talking back-to-back cup run Dumolin) and the pens do not need that, specially for Pickering lol

Pens would happily talk Hellebuyck who you didn't trade and whom publicly said he wasn't interested in a rebuild.
May 5, 2023 at 5:52 p.m.
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Difference is Kidney was not a 100 point player at the draft and has been on stacked teams. It's not hard to find a buch of other players with 100 point seasons in the q that never become anything. Just because laf did good in the nhl doesn't mean kidney will as well as they are Different players with different playstyles even if they are close. Q success does not translate 100% to nhl and again he is a late 2nd. Has his stock risen since the draft? Yes. Is the q the weakest chl league? Yes. Do many q players that have success struggle to find professional success? Yes. The point is Kidney is a good prospect but definitely not 2nd as that would likely make him an A prospect which he isn't. He's probably around a b prospect that likely becomes a middle six contributor but not a game breaker. Is there anything wrong with that upside? No but Roy, Mailloux and mesar definitely have a higher ceiling than Kidney.


Oh, don't get me wrong, I know all that. The thing is though pretty much every prospect we have is a B prospect. IMO only Slaf and Hutson should be considered true A prospects. They have elite potential where as all the others are top line or top pairing ceilings but bottom 6/pairing or bust floors. I think it depends on who you like more for the rest of the group more than their skill or potential as to how you rank them.
May 5, 2023 at 5:52 p.m.
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Personally would rather not move Cruz Lucius. That being said, Wheeler half retained for a 4th and 5th, or a late 3rd, I wouldn’t mind terribly.


Could always be a 1 for 1. With how good the Canes are at drafting they could easily replace him with those picks that you mentioned there
May 5, 2023 at 5:56 p.m.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I know all that. The thing is though pretty much every prospect we have is a B prospect. IMO only Slaf and Hutson should be considered true A prospects. They have elite potential where as all the others are top line or top pairing ceilings but bottom 6/pairing or bust floors. I think it depends on who you like more for the rest of the group more than their skill or potential as to how you rank them.


So wouldn't trading 2 b prospects and likely another 1 and 29th be okay? With all the prospects the habs have sure they could turn into something but that's not a guarantee they make it. Giving up likely 3 b prospects instead of risking the 2024 first where it could move to 2025 and be a better player. 3 b prospects don't break the bank and you likely get an a prospect at the beginning at 5 and a b at the 2nd round and keep the future picks which have a shot to be more than a b prospect.
May 5, 2023 at 5:58 p.m.
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He's not a toss in but with the acquisition of demelo 1 of him or lybushkin is not playing. Also getting stanley for the 3ld would give them back another young dman that can grown with the team so in terms of young dman you lose one and get one.
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Risto had several things Fletcher coveted. He had a rocket of a shot, size, and he was very physical and loved to hit. Joker doesn't possess any of those qualities. He's not as terrible as some make him out to be, as he's still young. He just doesn't have those traits that some GM's overpay for.

Personally if DeMelo was willing to extend I like the deal for the Sabres. He does all the things they need from a RD target. He plays good defensively, he blocks shots, he's physical when he needs to be, and he logs a ton of PK minutes. Stanley is just depth, but probably better depth than Bryson or Clague. Maybe the 2nd is conditional on making the playoffs or something, otherwise it's a 3rd.
At 23 YO Jokiharju completed his 5th NHL season playing over 20min/gm the last two seasons.
At 23 DeMelo played in 60 NHL games with 3 goals and 12 pts over two seasons.
Compare the last 3 seasons TOI per gm/% v elite:
.................. 2022-'23......2021-'22.......2020-'21
DeMelo....19:35/30.5....18:30/30.8...16:58/28.8
Jokiharju..21:01/37.3.....21:55/35.2...18:23/39.9
Henri plays more min/gm and plays more time against elite, is only 23 (7 year younger than DeMelo) yet Buffalo has to ADD!
DeMelo is what he is at 30, Jokiharju WILL get better at 23.
There is no way under the heavens even Kevyn Adams would make this trade for an older D-man who is not matched up against the other teams best forwards as Henri does every game.
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May 5, 2023 at 6:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Howie
Could always be a 1 for 1. With how good the Canes are at drafting they could easily replace him with those picks that you mentioned there


This is more of my personal opinion than anything else. I’m a bit higher on Cruz than others, but I think he will turn into an excellent playmaker. How high are the Jets on Chaz, cause I could see the Canes being interested in bringing Chaz in?
May 5, 2023 at 6:34 p.m.
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This is more of my personal opinion than anything else. I’m a bit higher on Cruz than others, but I think he will turn into an excellent playmaker. How high are the Jets on Chaz, cause I could see the Canes being interested in bringing Chaz in?


Chaz is a no go my man. He was absolutely tearing up the whl before getting injured would need to be a first and something else coming back for him. How often are future prospects traded for picks? Almost non existent. I will say it will be 10x easier for the jets to get Cruz than canes getting chaz.
May 5, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.
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Habs will do everything possible to keep Beck. I doubt they go for that.

That Dubois trade is overly complicated for no reason. PLD for a salary (Dvorak/Hoffman/Armia), a first, and a prospect not named Hutson/Beck/Mailloux/Roy is how I see it. More than that, and I take my chances once PLD goes UFA.
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May 5, 2023 at 6:39 p.m.
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Habs will do everything possible to keep Beck. I doubt they go for that.

That Dubois trade is overly complicated for no reason. PLD for a salary (Dvorak/Hoffman/Armia), a first, and a prospect not named Hutson/Beck/Mailloux/Roy is how I see it. More than that, and I take my chances once PLD goes UFA.


Need to be 2 prospects if that pick is 29th. Mesar and kidney are doable
May 5, 2023 at 6:43 p.m.
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Yeah the Pens block your number. Dillon is an upgrade on the left, and we could use one. But we can find one that isn't 32. This team needs younger players than that, and Dillon isn't worth Pickering at all. If the Pens buy Granlund out, they'd have roughly $24M in cap space and only Jarry and Zucker to potentially resign who would cost a large chunk of that. We could afford a legit top 4 defenseman like Graves or Gavrikov in free agency.
May 5, 2023 at 6:45 p.m.
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Need to be 2 prospects if that pick is 29th. Mesar and kidney are doable


If it’s 2 prospects, I wouldn’t give that 1st, depending who the prospects are
May 5, 2023 at 6:51 p.m.
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Take out Joker and Stanley
May 5, 2023 at 6:55 p.m.
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If it’s 2 prospects, I wouldn’t give that 1st, depending who the prospects are


Kidney mesar 29th and hoffman seem fair
May 5, 2023 at 7:10 p.m.
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Dillon is a top 4 d btw


I should have worded that better. At 33 next season he is much better suited for 3rd pair minutes at 5v5 and top pair PK, so I wouldn't trade Pickering for that. But for a guy like Hanafin who would play 22 minutes I would gladly do it.
May 5, 2023 at 7:35 p.m.
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So wouldn't trading 2 b prospects and likely another 1 and 29th be okay? With all the prospects the habs have sure they could turn into something but that's not a guarantee they make it. Giving up likely 3 b prospects instead of risking the 2024 first where it could move to 2025 and be a better player. 3 b prospects don't break the bank and you likely get an a prospect at the beginning at 5 and a b at the 2nd round and keep the future picks which have a shot to be more than a b prospect.


Not two center prospects and two of our best at that. I would rather keep one of the 2 and go the Panthers 1st + Beck/Mesar/Kidney + 2024 2nd + Hoffman than giving up 2 or 3 prospects and killing our center depth
May 5, 2023 at 7:58 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
Not two center prospects and two of our best at that. I would rather keep one of the 2 and go the Panthers 1st + Beck/Mesar/Kidney + 2024 2nd + Hoffman than giving up 2 or 3 prospects and killing our center depth


Mesar likely isn't an nhl center and most likely havs get Smith who is a center. I understand mesar can play center but almost 100% chance he stays a winger thus 1 center 1 winger 1st and hoffman
 
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