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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 10, 2023
Published: May 10, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$4,000,000
2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,600,000
2$1,000,000
3$5,500,000
5$4,000,000
6$5,500,000
5$5,250,000
3$3,333,333
1$2,000,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
CHI
  1. Murray, Matt
  2. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
2.
TOR
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (WPG)
3.
4.
BOS
  1. Tavares, John ($3,000,000 retained)
5.
TOR
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (CGY)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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21$83,500,000$82,890,949$0$412,500$609,051
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$3,333,333$3,333,333
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
C
UFA - 4
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,600,000$1,600,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$412,500$412K)
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
$5,250,000$5,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$796,667$796,667
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$762,500$762,500
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UFA - 1

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May 10, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.
#26
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Quoting: Hockey_Mind
Another 6-7 RD is the absolute last thing Columbus needs. They wouldn't take Timmons for free.


Jets will take him for that. A 24 year old who has 21 pts in 66 career games i 4 seasons. No brainer!
May 10, 2023 at 2:00 p.m.
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Really? Tage Thompson is a center (hardest position in the NHL to fill) who put up 94 pts in 78 games. On pace for 99. Mitch Marner put up 99 pts in 80 games as a winger. Dahlin was 4th in points amongst dman and a +12 on a team that missed the playoffs. In my opinion Dahlin is worth more than Marner and Thompson is equal to him. Marner was 13th in points and Thompson was 15th and is a year younger playing a harder position.

I am not a fan of either team so please don't think I have any blinders on. The facts are the facts. Marner is a winger. The easiest position to fill in the nhl.


Read again please.. I said this is all purely based on skill not contract or position or age. Also when you read again you will hopefully comprehend this time that I said of the 3, marner would be last on my list to build around. 🤦🏻‍♂️
May 10, 2023 at 2:22 p.m.
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Quoting: BorisBagel
Leafs add Reilly for Sabres to even consider
Marner is borderline cap dump, particularly if Sabres want to be Cup contenders and not playoff chokers


They're not trading Dahlin, unless for some reason they can't sign him long term. Especially not for a winger who disappears in the playoff. Reilly would have been interesting if he was entering his prime, but he's gonna be 30 next year while Dahlin will be entering his prime at 24
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May 10, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Boos
They're not trading Dahlin, unless for some reason they can't sign him long term. Especially not for a winger who disappears in the playoff. Reilly would have been interesting if he was entering his prime, but he's gonna be 30 next year while Dahlin will be entering his prime at 24


Uh, Marner literally just turned 26 (like may 5th lol).
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May 10, 2023 at 3:21 p.m.
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Honestly, I might do this deal if Marner didn't have such a meddling ass dad who would want 14 mil for him or some crap like that.

Like if I could re-sign him for what I'd have to give Dahlin, Id do this.
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May 10, 2023 at 3:45 p.m.
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Quoting: NYR1983
Read again please.. I said this is all purely based on skill not contract or position or age. Also when you read again you will hopefully comprehend this time that I said of the 3, marner would be last on my list to build around. 🤦🏻‍♂️


I did read what you wrote. I just disagree. Thompson puts up similar points at a tougher position than Marner. Marner also has Matthews or Tavares as his center while Thompson has Skinner and Tuch. Thompson is driving that line and is mainly the reason why both Tuch and Skinner had career years. I would imagine most of us could agree that those two guys are second liners at best, but probably 3rd liners. Matthews requires full attention from the opposition which at times creates wide open opportunity for Marner, not the other way around. So I would say that talent wise. Thompson is more talented.
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May 10, 2023 at 4:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Cory
I did read what you wrote. I just disagree. Thompson puts up similar points at a tougher position than Marner. Marner also has Matthews or Tavares as his center while Thompson has Skinner and Tuch. Thompson is driving that line and is mainly the reason why both Tuch and Skinner had career years. I would imagine most of us could agree that those two guys are second liners at best, but probably 3rd liners. Matthews requires full attention from the opposition which at times creates wide open opportunity for Marner, not the other way around. So I would say that talent wise. Thompson is more talented.


So you’re basing this off of point production at the position and the line mates. So you would probably agree that Messier is more talented than Kurri, jagr, and pretty much anyone else at the top of the all time list. Played 2C/3C for much of his career. Personally I wouldn’t say he had more talent than Jagr or kovalev, he was more dominant and more valuable sure but not talent. But I could be wrong
May 10, 2023 at 5:09 p.m.
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Quoting: NYR1983
So you’re basing this off of point production at the position and the line mates. So you would probably agree that Messier is more talented than Kurri, jagr, and pretty much anyone else at the top of the all time list. Played 2C/3C for much of his career. Personally I wouldn’t say he had more talent than Jagr or kovalev, he was more dominant and more valuable sure but not talent. But I could be wrong


I may be wrong as well. But yes, I do base it off the supporting cast. Personally I think i could get more points in the NHL having Matthews or Tavares on my line then I would get with Tuch or Skinner. Look at guys like Bryan Rust and Conner Sheary when they played with Crosby.

Here is Conor Sheary's career. Can you pick out the year he played on Crosby's line?

2015-16 Pittsburgh NHL 44 7 3 10 -1
2016-17 Pittsburgh NHL 61 23 30 53 24
2017-18 Pittsburgh NHL 79 18 12 30 2
2018-19 Buffalo NHL 78 14 20 34 -18
2019-20 Buffalo NHL 55 9 10 19 -4
2019-20 Pittsburgh NHL 8 1 3 4 -1
2020-21 Washington NHL 53 14 8 22 -1
2021-22 Washington NHL 71 19 24 43 -2
2022-23 Washington NHL 82 15 22 37 9
May 10, 2023 at 5:18 p.m.
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I may be wrong as well. But yes, I do base it off the supporting cast. Personally I think i could get more points in the NHL having Matthews or Tavares on my line then I would get with Tuch or Skinner. Look at guys like Bryan Rust and Conner Sheary when they played with Crosby.

Here is Conor Sheary's career. Can you pick out the year he played on Crosby's line?

2015-16 Pittsburgh NHL 44 7 3 10 -1
2016-17 Pittsburgh NHL 61 23 30 53 24
2017-18 Pittsburgh NHL 79 18 12 30 2
2018-19 Buffalo NHL 78 14 20 34 -18
2019-20 Buffalo NHL 55 9 10 19 -4
2019-20 Pittsburgh NHL 8 1 3 4 -1
2020-21 Washington NHL 53 14 8 22 -1
2021-22 Washington NHL 71 19 24 43 -2
2022-23 Washington NHL 82 15 22 37 9


Thing is, these guys who you say are making marner a household name only have their career highs because they play with him. Without marner playing with Tavares, he doesn’t get his 50 goals season. Matthews 60 goals was with marner setting him up. Not being dominant in any way other than skill. Also have you not noticed when one of the lines in Toronto aren’t clicking the guy they move to that line is marner to get the players going. While the other 2 guys playing C might have high goal stats, marner is actually the driving force and is a 2way player.
May 10, 2023 at 5:22 p.m.
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Quoting: NYR1983
Thing is, these guys who you say are making marner a household name only have their career highs because they play with him. Without marner playing with Tavares, he doesn’t get his 50 goals season. Matthews 60 goals was with marner setting him up. Not being dominant in any way other than skill. Also have you not noticed when one of the lines in Toronto aren’t clicking the guy they move to that line is marner to get the players going. While the other 2 guys playing C might have high goal stats, marner is actually the driving force and is a 2way player.


Tavares has been a career PPG player nothing has changed with Toronto from New York. I am not saying that Marner is not talented. i just think he is a product of his cast. Does he carry them at times, sure. Does he carry that whole line, no. Thompson does. Skinner and Tuch are not carrying anything. If Marner is the reason for Matthews 60 then Marner is also the reason Matthews had his worst output this year.
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May 10, 2023 at 5:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Cory
Tavares has been a career PPG player nothing has changed with Toronto from New York. I am not saying that Marner is not talented. i just think he is a product of his cast. Does he carry them at times, sure. Does he carry that whole line, no. Thompson does. Skinner and Tuch are not carrying anything. If Marner is the reason for Matthews 60 then Marner is also the reason Matthews had his worst output this year.


Let me clarify. I am not dumping on Matthews. He still had a decent year by hockey standards. I am also not dumping on anything you are saying. Just difference of opinion. I do respect your opinion though and see what you are saying. Just 2 people with different views on grading peoples skill levels.
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May 10, 2023 at 6:06 p.m.
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Tavares has been a career PPG player nothing has changed with Toronto from New York. I am not saying that Marner is not talented. i just think he is a product of his cast. Does he carry them at times, sure. Does he carry that whole line, no. Thompson does. Skinner and Tuch are not carrying anything. If Marner is the reason Matthews 60 then Marner is also the reason Matthews had his worst output this year.


Did marner play every game with Matthews? Or did he spend a lot of the season picking up Tavares? Do actually know about this? Maybe you think he played all season with AM. Over the last 5 seasons Marner has 3/5 of the highest leafs point totals. If the other 2 guys were carrying him I’d expect him to have 0/5 not the majority. The other 2 point totals are the seasons that Marner helped Tavares jump from 37g to 47g and the other was AM getting 60g which had marner playing almost every single game on his line. So the other 2 had their big season when he was on their line full time. Meanwhile marner has scored over 93 point pace in those 5 seasons. I would guarantee that if you looked up point production for each of those guys when marner is on/off ice for them it’s going to be a shock. You’re welcome to believe otherwise of course but marner also leads the leafs in points over the last five seasons. Scoring at 1.22 ppg. Being the most defensive of the 3, smallest of the 3.
May 10, 2023 at 6:14 p.m.
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Let me clarify. I am not dumping on Matthews. He still had a decent year by hockey standards. I am also not dumping on anything you are saying. Just difference of opinion. I do respect your opinion though and see what you are saying. Just 2 people with different views on grading peoples skill levels.


Ya, again. If I’m building a team I’m taking Tage over Mitch for the dominance factor like messier.. the position.. the contract.. same way I’d take Kreider over Panarin but it’s not for the skill
May 11, 2023 at 9:59 a.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Marner is a top 5 winger, Thompson and Dahlin aren't top 5 players at their position. This right here is why this site is broken


Marner might be a top 5 winger, the least important position. Dahlin is at a minimum a top 10 defenseman. Is Marner a top 10 forward, maybe? Either way that's the same talent pool.
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May 11, 2023 at 11:26 a.m.
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Uh, Marner literally just turned 26 (like may 5th lol).


Reeding comprehension, plz. Notice the period that ends the sentence on Marner and also notice that the next sentence is about Reilly, as I begin with his name.

Thx and have a nice day.
May 11, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.
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Honestly, I might do this deal if Marner didn't have such a meddling ass dad who would want 14 mil for him or some crap like that.

Like if I could re-sign him for what I'd have to give Dahlin, Id do this.


Marner is a helluva player, but taking him over Dahlin at the same price seems a little crazed.
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May 11, 2023 at 11:59 a.m.
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Marner is a helluva player, but taking him over Dahlin at the same price seems a little crazed.


This deal also included flipping krebs and liljegren, not just 1 for 1 between the two stars.
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May 11, 2023 at 12:00 p.m.
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Reeding comprehension, plz. Notice the period that ends the sentence on Marner and also notice that the next sentence is about Reilly, as I begin with his name.

Thx and have a nice day.


sorry didnt see that my bad
May 12, 2023 at 11:20 p.m.
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😂 come on man… you know that’s false, funny but false. He instantly is the most talented player on BUF and that’s not close


Chokers going to choke again & again
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May 13, 2023 at 7:55 a.m.
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Chokers going to choke again & again


14 pts in 12 games while carrying his team to the playoffs. If that’s your definition of choke then is Tage a bust?! Unfortunately going deep in the playoffs is hard and needs a full team to play. Choke 😂, the leafs choked while Marner was dominant for them
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