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Full Rebuild - Better Than Current Group

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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 10, 2023
Published: May 10, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,500,000
2$1,000,000
2$2,200,000
2$2,200,000
2$900,000
2$2,500,000
Trades
1.
2.
TOR
  1. Gourde, Yanni
  2. Tanev, Brandon
  3. Wright, Shane
  4. 2023 1st round pick (SEA)
  5. 2024 1st round pick (SEA)
3.
TOR
  1. Casey, Seamus [Reserve List]
  2. Holtz, Alexander
  3. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
  4. 2025 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Nylander, William ($3,400,000 retained)
4.
TOR
  1. Khusnutdinov, Marat [Reserve List]
  2. Lambos, Carson
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (VGK)
5.
TOR
  1. Björnfot, Tobias [RFA Rights]
  2. Kupari, Rasmus [RFA Rights]
  3. 2024 1st round pick (LAK)
6.
TOR
  1. Johnson, Ryan [Reserve List]
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (PHI)
BUF
  1. Brodie, TJ ($2,500,000 retained)
  2. Järnkrok, Calle
7.
TOR
  1. Brink, Bobby
  2. O'Brien, Jay [Reserve List]
  3. Ristolainen, Rasmus
  4. 2024 1st round pick (FLA)
8.
TOR
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Roy, Joshua
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
MTL
    Cap dump
    9.
    TOR
    1. Höglander, Nils [RFA Rights]
    2. Miller, J.T.
    3. Myers, Tyler
    4. Studnicka, Jack
    5. 2025 2nd round pick (VAN)
    VAN
      Cap dump
      10.
      11.
      TOR
        Rick Bowness
        WPG
          Hired as temporary HC - he will deploy a 1-3-1 with all of the lines since we have physical players all throughout the lineup, and we will win more rounds than the current group
          Buyouts
          Retained Salary Transactions
          DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
          2023
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          2024
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          Logo of the NJD
          Logo of the LAK
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          2025
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          Logo of the CHI
          Logo of the TOR
          Logo of the TOR
          ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
          20$84,000,000$75,780,000$0$0$8,220,000
          Left WingCentreRight Wing
          Logo of the Seattle Kraken
          $5,166,666$5,166,666
          C, LW, RW
          M-NTC
          UFA - 2
          Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
          $8,000,000$8,000,000
          C, LW, RW
          NMC
          UFA - 7
          Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
          $5,500,000$5,500,000
          RW, LW
          M-NTC
          UFA - 4
          Logo of the Seattle Kraken
          $3,500,000$3,500,000
          LW, RW
          M-NTC
          UFA - 2
          Logo of the Boston Bruins
          $5,250,000$5,250,000
          C, RW
          M-NTC, NMC
          UFA - 3
          $2,500,000$2,500,000
          RW
          UFA - 2
          $2,200,000$2,200,000
          RW, LW
          UFA - 2
          Logo of the New York Rangers
          $3,641,667$3,641,667
          C, LW
          M-NTC
          UFA - 4
          Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
          $2,500,000$2,500,000
          C, RW
          UFA - 3
          Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
          $1,000,000$1,000,000
          LW, RW
          UFA - 1
          Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
          $2,200,000$2,200,000
          C
          UFA - 4
          Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
          $1,150,000$1,150,000
          RW, C, LW
          UFA - 1
          Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
          Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
          $2,000,000$2,000,000
          LD/RD
          M-NTC
          UFA - 2
          Logo of the New York Rangers
          $8,000,000$8,000,000
          RD
          NMC
          UFA - 3
          Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
          $766,667$766,667
          G
          RFA - 2
          Logo of the Boston Bruins
          $3,000,000$3,000,000
          LD
          M-NTC
          UFA - 1
          Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
          $5,100,000$5,100,000
          RD
          UFA - 4
          Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
          $817,500$817,500
          G
          RFA - 1
          $900,000$900,000
          LD
          UFA - 1
          Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
          $6,000,000$6,000,000
          RD
          M-NTC
          UFA - 1
          ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
          Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
          $5,625,000$5,625,000
          LD
          M-NTC
          UFA - 1
          Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
          $796,667$796,667
          LW, RW
          RFA - 1
          Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
          $762,500$762,500
          RW, LW
          UFA - 1
          Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
          $800,000$800,000
          LD
          UFA - 1

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          May 10, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.
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          Archiv3
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          Every team laughs you off the phone except New York who kisses you on the mouth
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          May 10, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.
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          that's a bottom 5 in the league defense and a forward core that scores significantly less.
          They dont even make the playoffs
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          May 10, 2023 at 3:02 p.m.
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          Quoting: Archiv3
          Every team laughs you off the phone except New York who kisses you no the mouth


          thats probably the funniest thing about this, most of the values are towards toronto (philly and NYR excepted) but the team ends up so so so much worse
          May 10, 2023 at 3:11 p.m.
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          "Better than current group" he says while making the group 100x worse.
          May 10, 2023 at 3:12 p.m.
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          Marner Matthews Tavares Rielly all have a NMC. They aren't going anywhere.
          May 10, 2023 at 3:23 p.m.
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          As a Rangers fan, I would kiss you on the mouth if you got this to happen XD
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          May 10, 2023 at 3:32 p.m.
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          Bruh
          May 10, 2023 at 3:36 p.m.
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          Quoting: themostleaf33
          Marner Matthews Tavares Rielly all have a NMC. They aren't going anywhere.


          Neither Matthews nor Marner have trade protection until July 1. It's not allowed prior to UFA eligibility (7 years NHL experience or age 27).
          May 10, 2023 at 3:41 p.m.
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          Quoting: tkecanuck341
          Neither Matthews nor Marner have trade protection until July 1. It's not allowed prior to UFA eligibility (7 years NHL experience or age 27).


          Trading a star player takes time. It took all summer for Karlsson to be moved. Meier wasn't moved until the deadline this year.

          The Leafs management situation isn't even confirmed yet for next season. There is less than 2 months until July 1st. The chances that the leafs figure out their management situation, make Marner and Matthews available, get offers (that will inevitably not be what they are looking for), and figure out the cap situation, July 1st will have come and gone. There just isn't enough time to make a trade involving those guys below July 1st
          May 10, 2023 at 3:46 p.m.
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          Quoting: themostleaf33
          Trading a star player takes time. It took all summer for Karlsson to be moved. Meier wasn't moved until the deadline this year.

          The Leafs management situation isn't even confirmed yet for next season. There is less than 2 months until July 1st. The chances that the leafs figure out their management situation, make Marner and Matthews available, get offers (that will inevitably not be what they are looking for), and figure out the cap situation, July 1st will have come and gone. There just isn't enough time to make a trade involving those guys below July 1st


          This is far too logical of an argument to be included in the same thread as this ACGM post.
          May 10, 2023 at 3:47 p.m.
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          Quoting: themostleaf33
          Trading a star player takes time. It took all summer for Karlsson to be moved. Meier wasn't moved until the deadline this year.

          The Leafs management situation isn't even confirmed yet for next season. There is less than 2 months until July 1st. The chances that the leafs figure out their management situation, make Marner and Matthews available, get offers (that will inevitably not be what they are looking for), and figure out the cap situation, July 1st will have come and gone. There just isn't enough time to make a trade involving those guys below July 1st


          If Dubas picked up the phone and said to all 31 GMs in the league, "Matthews and Marner are available. Deadline is June 30th. Go." I guarantee there would be deals done by then.
          May 10, 2023 at 4:24 p.m.
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          Quoting: tkecanuck341
          If Dubas picked up the phone and said to all 31 GMs in the league, "Matthews and Marner are available. Deadline is June 30th. Go." I guarantee there would be deals done by then.


          Of those teams.

          No rebuilding team will trade their future for 1 year of Matthews or 2 of Marner. I would say that eliminates Arizona, Columbus, Anaheim, SanJose, Montreal, Philly, and Chicago. Those who missed the playoff but aren't necessarily in rebuild mode include the Sabres, Redwings and Sens. Leafs won't trade superstar players to a divisional rival, so that eliminates those 3.

          Pittsburgh was supposed to be in contention this year. They need to decide what direction their franchise is going to go in. Pittsburgh does not have the assets to trade for Matthews anyways unless they gave up a young piece of their core, like Guentzle, which is a player they will need for a rebuild in the near future, so they are probably out.

          Washington may be the only team in the east that missed the playoffs who has the assets to and who may consider trading for Marner or Matthews. However, they need to figure out what direction to go in as well, as they finished way lower than expected, and may consider rebuilding or retooling rather than going all in this upcoming season. It may take time for them to figure out what is best for their frachise. You mix in that time with the time it takes for Leafs management to figure out who is going to be in charge next season and what direction to take the team, there is probably no fit there as well.

          NJ, Carolina, and Florida will not negotiate until their seasons are done, which could be a while, so there is likely not enough time to come up with a deal involving those 3. They are all out.

          Tampa is up against the cap, and are unlikely to move one of their big guns for Marner or Matthews. They are probably out.

          Boston does not have a lot of moveable assets as well, and need to figure out what direction their franchise is going in. They obviously won't move their big guns, so they are likely out.

          Rangers are in cap hell as well, and are likely going to be unable to re-sign Tarasenko let alone afford a guy like Marner or Matthews. Yes, they may have the assets, but not the cap space. They are out.

          That leaves the Islanders. Like the rangers, they have assets, but unless they move out a guy like Bailey, they have very little cap space. They are out.

          So those guys aren't going to be traded within the east.

          Western teams still in the playoffs: Edmonton, Vegas, Dallas, Seattle. Likely not enough time to get a deal done there as they will be focused on playing not trading. They are out. All except for Seattle will be in cap hell anyways.

          Colorado does have some cap space with Landeskog out. They could use some offence. They have a surplus of defence and some young forwards they could move. (Byram, Toews, Newhook, Girard, etc). However, acquiring a guy like Matthews or Marner would mean their depth, especially up front, would stink. They likely use the money they have to acquire some depth rather then an expensive superstar forward. They are out.

          Minnesota is sort of similar. They could use a number 1 C like Matthews to play with Kaprizov, but spending that money would mean having terrible depth, and likely trading out a young player like Boldy. Their top line might be the best in the league, but their depth would stink. They are out

          Winnipeg. Of all the teams I mentioned so far, this is the most unlikely scenario. If you have watched the leafs history with the Jets in recent years, they hate each other. So that is likely off the table.

          LA is an interesting option. Cap space. Lots of young assets. However, their first priority will be a goalie. Their offence is good as is. What they struggled to do is keep the puck out of their net. What they will be looking for is a steady stay at home left shot defenceman, and a goaltender. Likely no fit there.

          Vancouver is in cap hell, and so is Calgary. Those are both going to off the table just due to the time it would take to figure out the cap implications.

          So who is left over? St. Louis and Nashville. St. Louis has assets and young players. Do they have cap space? Not really, and their goaltending situation like LA is in shambles. Unless they are sending back a guy like Kyrou or Thomas, they won't have the cap to acquire a star forward and figure out their goaltending situation. They are out.

          Nashville has cap space and some assets. Do I like those assets? Unless their name is Saros, no. Nothing useful to the Leafs. They are out.

          So, given time, cap restrictions, and all other factors, the likeliness of a trade before July 1st is almost 0.
          May 10, 2023 at 4:25 p.m.
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          Quoting: tkecanuck341
          If Dubas picked up the phone and said to all 31 GMs in the league, "Matthews and Marner are available. Deadline is June 30th. Go." I guarantee there would be deals done by then.


          Oh and Dubas still has to be re-signed first so there is that too
          May 10, 2023 at 4:38 p.m.
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          Quoting: themostleaf33
          Oh and Dubas still has to be re-signed first so there is that too


          Nothing motivates people like a deadline.

          From what I understand, Dubas' contract doesn't expire until July 1, so until then he's free to make trades.
          May 11, 2023 at 10:21 a.m.
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          Quoting: JaredOfLondon
          that's a bottom 5 in the league defense and a forward core that scores significantly less.
          They dont even make the playoffs


          Quoting: Nathaniel
          "Better than current group" he says while making the group 100x worse.


          It’s not a good team in terms of talent but they would do very well in the playoffs cuz they’d play well structured hockey. Collapsing in d-zone, chipping pucks out on zone exits, trapping the opposition in NZ & generating rebound shots on the cycle.

          Plus you have many top prospects in the AHL from these trades.
          May 11, 2023 at 10:55 a.m.
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          Quoting: la_scaloneta
          It’s not a good team in terms of talent but they would do very well in the playoffs cuz they’d play well structured hockey. Collapsing in d-zone, chipping pucks out on zone exits, trapping the opposition in NZ & generating rebound shots on the cycle.

          Plus you have many top prospects in the AHL from these trades.


          This team would never have the puck. It would be taken and kept from them with ease.
          They'd get waxed by any team with the slightest bit of skill or speed and give up record amounts of scoring chances while driving few of their own.
          This is a bad bad team. I say again with no hyperbole, that defence is as bad as any tank team this year.
          Just an awful team that would go nowhere
          May 11, 2023 at 11:03 a.m.
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          Quoting: JaredOfLondon
          This team would never have the puck. It would be taken and kept from them with ease.
          They'd get waxed by any team with the slightest bit of skill or speed and give up record amounts of scoring chances while driving few of their own.
          This is a bad bad team. I say again with no hyperbole, that defence is as bad as any tank team this year.
          Just an awful team that would go nowhere


          Well, like I said, to make up for their lack of skill, they can simply focus on blocking shots, pinning their opponents against the boards & chipping pucks out of the zone & dumping + chasing. These guys don’t have agility but they have speed + strength. If you can keep up you can compete against anyone with the right strategy.
          May 11, 2023 at 11:18 a.m.
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          Well, like I said, to make up for their lack of skill, they can simply focus on blocking shots, pinning their opponents against the boards & chipping pucks out of the zone & dumping + chasing. These guys don’t have agility but they have speed + strength. If you can keep up you can compete against anyone with the right strategy.


          They could do that and they'd still be awful. No strategy in the world could make that team even half competitive or competent
           
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