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Created by: Waffelz
Team: 2023-24 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: May 13, 2023
Published: May 13, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Sharks take Carlsson if available, then Smith if not. Michkov falls to 5th. Load up on as many Swedes as possible. I wouldn't expect any of them to start in the NHL.

Sharks almost certainly have to add to Karlsson trade, not sure what Buffalo would be interested in though.

Ferraro, Simek, Sturm, are all likely available. Couture too, if he wants to waive.

I've seen similar Murray trades in a few other AGMs, and the Sharks have plenty of cap space to play with, so why not benefit?

Not sure about Severson, but I wouldn't expect the Sharks to start the year with $20m in cap space.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$950,000
2$950,000
2$800,000
2$900,000
2$1,000,000
3$800,000
3$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$5,000,000
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. 2023 4th round pick (NYR)
VAN
  1. Labanc, Kevin
Additional Details:
Anywhere, for any return. Needs a change of scenery and Sharks need his roster spot for younger guys. Some retention probably acceptable.
2.
SJS
  1. Östlund, Noah
  2. Poltapov, Prokhor [Reserve List]
  3. 2023 1st round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Karlsson, Erik ($4,250,000 retained)
  2. Zetterlund, Fabian
Additional Details:
Draft day.
3.
SJS
  1. Murray, Matt
  2. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
TOR
  1. Lorentz, Steven
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (CAR)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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Logo of the CBJ
Logo of the SJS
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Logo of the PIT
Logo of the VAN
2024
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Logo of the NJD
Logo of the VGK
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the SJS
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Logo of the NJD
2025
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Logo of the SJS
Logo of the SJS
Logo of the WPG
Logo of the SJS
Logo of the SJS
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$69,418,334$25,000$1,537,500$14,081,666
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW
RFA - 3
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$6,750,000$6,750,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$950,000$950,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$916,667$916,667
C, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
UFA
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$918,333$918,333 (Performance Bonus$475,000$475K)
C
RFA - 3
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$800,000$800,000
RW
RFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RD
UFA - 8
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$1,250,000$1,250,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$912,500$912,500 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LD
RFA - 1
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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May 13, 2023 at 6:21 p.m.
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I actually don't think the Sabres would be interested in Karlsson. That contract is going to be tough when they are paying Dahlin and Power in the near future.
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May 13, 2023 at 6:22 p.m.
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Canucks probably arent trading for another winger. Need to move a few just to fit in Hogs and Podz
May 13, 2023 at 6:26 p.m.
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Jesus that’s a lot of retention
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May 13, 2023 at 6:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Greysuits
I actually don't think the Sabres would be interested in Karlsson. That contract is going to be tough when they are paying Dahlin and Power in the near future.


Rather pay less for a defensive right shot d (although I'm bracing myself for some sticker shock). What would it take to get Mayfield as a ufa? 6mx3?
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May 13, 2023 at 6:42 p.m.
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Rather pay less for a defensive right shot d (although I'm bracing myself for some sticker shock). What would it take to get Mayfield as a ufa? 6mx3?


I could see them doing that or going after Soucy who's a lefty but can play right.
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May 13, 2023 at 6:46 p.m.
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Quoting: glarson17
Jesus that’s a lot of retention


It's a big return, though.

Quoting: Greysuits
I actually don't think the Sabres would be interested in Karlsson. That contract is going to be tough when they are paying Dahlin and Power in the near future.


That's fair. Let's say hypothetically the Sabres were interested in Karlsson. Would 2 A-level prospects and a middle 1st be worth Karlsson at $4m+ retained?
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May 13, 2023 at 6:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Waffelz
It's a big return, though.



That's fair. Let's say hypothetically the Sabres were interested in Karlsson. Would 2 A-level prospects and a middle 1st be worth Karlsson at $4m+ retained?


Yeah, I think the value is fine, I just don't see them wanting to commit to his contract. It would put the Sabres in the Same spot the Sharks were a couple of years ago with too many high paid D who are all offensive minded.
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May 13, 2023 at 6:58 p.m.
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Quoting: Greysuits
I actually don't think the Sabres would be interested in Karlsson. That contract is going to be tough when they are paying Dahlin and Power in the near future.


Even if one puts aside the huge aspect of the cap hit, age and that Karlsson has never been strong defensively in his own end, how could he possibly fit role-wise when Dahlin and Power are their clear # 1 & # 2 and will quarterback the two power plays? Karlsson is accustomed to being the "top dog" on every team he's been on - bringing him in creates imbalance in the role he'd fill vs. what they want Dahlin and Power to fill.

Quoting: glarson17
Jesus that’s a lot of retention


And it's not even enough - I'm not sure the Sabres (or a lot of other teams) would consider anything that didn't involve 50% retention.

Quoting: sabres89
Rather pay less for a defensive right shot d (although I'm bracing myself for some sticker shock). What would it take to get Mayfield as a ufa? 6mx3?


I think there are better options that have the size and physicality but are much more mobile skaters that fit into the transition game Granato wants all of his players to contribute to and who won't cost a ransom relative to their role. If it's the trade route, Murphy is a better fit at a reasonable $4.4M AAV for 3 more years; if it's free agency, Soucy isn't likely to command in the $5-6M range given his current AAV ($2.75M).
Severson would be the ideal but his likely target range of $6M+ doesn't make sense for Buffalo if they will have around $21M invested in their current top 3 by the end of the summer. Who knows if Hanifin becomes available via trade but if he does, his next deal will also push into that $6-7M range that I can see Adams being nervous about.

Mayfield is a physical force and wins a lot of battles around his own net and along the boards but he's pretty mediocre on making the first pass or helping the transition game.......and, while many would say, "That's what Power and/Dahlin are for", we heard Adams say that he's not looking at any defender he may add as being cemented as a partner of either player. Granato keeps saying how everyone needs to be able to play with different partners, which is why each has to be capable skaters for the transition game. Mayfield isn't IMO.
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May 13, 2023 at 7:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Greysuits
I could see them doing that or going after Soucy who's a lefty but can play right.


As noted above, Severson is # 1 on my list of free agents but I'm ruling him out as a viable option because he's going to get a lot of bidders willing to give him $6M or more at probably the maximum 8 year term and that makes no sense for where the Sabres are and what they have already in their top 3. Soucy makes a lot more sense as a backup plan because he's got the size (6'-5", 208); can play either side as you noted; can play the physical style but also is a strong enough skater and showed a lot of offensive ability during his earlier years in Minnesota where he played both specialty teams. Some of the media reports from Minnesota and Seattle have also described how he's a strong locker room leader and character teammate - which are traits Adams seems to look at first above all else. I'm not sure if the Kraken want to let him walk but they'll have cap issues and will no doubt prioritize re-signing Dunn and Borgen first before deciding if they can afford Soucy.
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May 13, 2023 at 7:08 p.m.
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Even if one puts aside the huge aspect of the cap hit, age and that Karlsson has never been strong defensively in his own end, how could he possibly fit role-wise when Dahlin and Power are their clear # 1 & # 2 and will quarterback the two power plays? Karlsson is accustomed to being the "top dog" on every team he's been on - bringing him in creates imbalance in the role he'd fill vs. what they want Dahlin and Power to fill.



And it's not even enough - I'm not sure the Sabres (or a lot of other teams) would consider anything that didn't involve 50% retention.



I think there are better options that have the size and physicality but are much more mobile skaters that fit into the transition game Granato wants all of his players to contribute to and who won't cost a ransom relative to their role. If it's the trade route, Murphy is a better fit at a reasonable $4.4M AAV for 3 more years; if it's free agency, Soucy isn't likely to command in the $5-6M range given his current AAV ($2.75M).
Severson would be the ideal but his likely target range of $6M+ doesn't make sense for Buffalo if they will have around $21M invested in their current top 3 by the end of the summer. Who knows if Hanifin becomes available via trade but if he does, his next deal will also push into that $6-7M range that I can see Adams being nervous about.

Mayfield is a physical force and wins a lot of battles around his own net and along the boards but he's pretty mediocre on making the first pass or helping the transition game.......and, while many would say, "That's what Power and/Dahlin are for", we heard Adams say that he's not looking at any defender he may add as being cemented as a partner of either player. Granato keeps saying how everyone needs to be able to play with different partners, which is why each has to be capable skaters for the transition game. Mayfield isn't IMO.


That’s just foolish to think a team won’t take a 100 point defenseman unless his aav is less that $6 mil
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May 13, 2023 at 7:38 p.m.
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Think I would just try to sign Gavrikov if he hits FA
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May 13, 2023 at 8:31 p.m.
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Quoting: glarson17
That’s just foolish to think a team won’t take a 100 point defenseman unless his aav is less that $6 mil


No, the greater foolishness is thinking that a team in the top 5 all season in offensive production, with two future franchise defensemen already on the roster under the age of 22, but was in the bottom 5 of goals allowed would think that a one-way defenseman would solve their needs, regardless of how many points he scored.
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May 13, 2023 at 8:33 p.m.
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Think I would just try to sign Gavrikov if he hits FA

Not sure that Gavrikov can play both sides. I am pretty sure he’s just a left side guy.
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May 13, 2023 at 9:00 p.m.
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Not sure that Gavrikov can play both sides. I am pretty sure he’s just a left side guy.

Could be right, but Power can
May 13, 2023 at 10:50 p.m.
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No, the greater foolishness is thinking that a team in the top 5 all season in offensive production, with two future franchise defensemen already on the roster under the age of 22, but was in the bottom 5 of goals allowed would think that a one-way defenseman would solve their needs, regardless of how many points he scored.


I never said Buffalo was the team, you said a lot of teams which I think is far off.
May 14, 2023 at 3:00 a.m.
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Buffalo pass, we don't need EK 65.
May 14, 2023 at 10:51 a.m.
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Quoting: glarson17
I never said Buffalo was the team, you said a lot of teams which I think is far off.


The trade proposal was for Karlsson to Buffalo - my response was on point for why that made no sense for that team. As for the cap hit, yes, it was widely acknowledged by every report linking Karlsson to a possible trade partner this past season (and not hard to figure when you look around the league at how many teams have cap issues) that a lot of teams would back off unless 50% was held by Sharks.
 
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