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A FULL rebuild is the only way

Created by: jpsnow13
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 13, 2023
Published: May 13, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
I used the Eichel trade for Marner, the Hall's to ARZ trade for Matthews and the Horvat one for Nylander.

Trade away Brodie, Wilson, Lafferty and Stephenson at the next TDL if the team is out of a playoffs spot and fetch additional juicy returns.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,000,000
3$1,000,000
1$1,800,000
3$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$6,000,000
3$4,000,000
1$850,000
2$1,500,000
6$5,900,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Brisson, Brendan
  2. Miromanov, Daniil
  3. Stephenson, Chandler
  4. 2023 1st round pick (VGK)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (VGK)
VGK
  1. Matthews, Auston ($3,000,000 retained)
  2. Muzzin, Jake
2.
TOR
  1. Boeser, Brock
  2. Räty, Aatu
  3. 2023 1st round pick (VAN)
  4. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
3.
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
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2023
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2024
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2025
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22$83,500,000$79,592,501$0$0$3,907,499
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
C
UFA - 4
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$5,166,667$5,166,667
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$2,750,000$2,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$6,650,000$6,650,000
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,150,000$1,150,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$5,900,000$5,900,000
RD
UFA - 8
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
Taxi Squad
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$836,667$836,667 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
C
RFA - 2
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C, LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$762,500$762,500 ($0$0$0$0)
RD
UFA - 1

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May 13, 2023 at 6:48 p.m.
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You think Nylander is worth more then Horvat? Canucks should pass on that is Nylander worth more then Boeser yes but not at the cost of Raty and 11th overall plus a 3rd.
May 13, 2023 at 7:03 p.m.
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Quoting: CM_Insane
You think Nylander is worth more then Horvat? Canucks should pass on that is Nylander worth more then Boeser yes but not at the cost of Raty and 11th overall plus a 3rd.


I wouldn't even put Nylander in the same sentence as B... the other guy.

The 1st round pick is the main piece, Boeser is the downgraded replacement. The 2 other pieces are to win the bid, but frankly, I don't give them a lot of value.
May 13, 2023 at 7:08 p.m.
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Canucks pass. Doesn’t make sense for them to give up that many assets to improve at winger when that’s already their deepest position
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May 13, 2023 at 7:10 p.m.
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Terrible trade for the caps. Love Marner but he’s not worth Wilson, Kuzy, and 8OA
May 13, 2023 at 7:15 p.m.
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Canucks pass. Doesn’t make sense for them to give up that many assets to improve at winger when that’s already their deepest position


Escuse me, deepest position? Last time I checked, you had Di Giuseppe as 1LW and Pearson had a surgery to fix a surgery.
May 13, 2023 at 7:18 p.m.
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Escuse me, deepest position? Last time I checked, you had Di Giuseppe as 1LW and Pearson had a surgery to fix a surgery.


“Pearson had a surgery to fix a surgery“

What does that have to do with anything?

They also already have Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, Garland, Beauvillier, and Boeser (who is traded in this) They also have Podkolzin and Hoglander who will likely be in the NHL next year.
May 13, 2023 at 7:18 p.m.
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Leafs are getting rinsed on the Matthews trade. Matthews will get you atleast 3 firsts+++. Marner and Nylander trades are fair though value wise, just dont know if the canucks or caps are committed to the retool or rebuild
May 13, 2023 at 7:21 p.m.
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Don't think is cap capable for Vegas, without sending cap to the Leafs. The other two trades, think Canucks have overpaid for one year of Nylander (please no extension talk)
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May 13, 2023 at 7:22 p.m.
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“Pearson had a surgery to fix a surgery“

What does that have to do with anything?

They also already have Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, Garland, Beauvillier, and Boeser (who is traded in this) They also have Podkolzin and Hoglander who will likely be in the NHL next year.


Depth isn't having a lot of bottom 6 players... Kuzmenko is the only top 6 one. Not gonna drive a powerplay with those.
May 13, 2023 at 7:26 p.m.
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You think Nylander is worth more then Horvat? Canucks should pass on that is Nylander worth more then Boeser yes but not at the cost of Raty and 11th overall plus a 3rd.


Nylander is MUCH better than horvat
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May 13, 2023 at 7:26 p.m.
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Don't think is cap capable for Vegas, without sending cap to the Leafs. The other two trades, think Canucks have overpaid for one year of Nylander (please no extension talk)


3rd party could make it work. It never stopped Vegas before....

I aimed for Vancouver specificaly for their will to extend and the good fit with Petterson.
May 13, 2023 at 7:27 p.m.
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“Pearson had a surgery to fix a surgery“

What does that have to do with anything?

They also already have Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, Garland, Beauvillier, and Boeser (who is traded in this) They also have Podkolzin and Hoglander who will likely be in the NHL next year.


I'd those were my wingers i would not consider myself deep at the positon
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May 13, 2023 at 7:33 p.m.
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Quoting: betterthanholland
Leafs are getting rinsed on the Matthews trade. Matthews will get you atleast 3 firsts+++. Marner and Nylander trades are fair though value wise, just dont know if the canucks or caps are committed to the retool or rebuild


Matthews 1 year away from UFA isn't worth more than Eichel under contract for 5 years dude. Buffalo fans said he was worth 3x1st+++ and looked very dumb. You're next.
May 13, 2023 at 7:40 p.m.
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Depth isn't having a lot of bottom 6 players... Kuzmenko is the only top 6 one. Not gonna drive a powerplay with those.


Garland and Boeser are both top 6 players. Podkolzin and Hoglander have the potential to be. Beauvillier and Mikheyev both played great (partly because Pettersson elevated them but still were good fits)
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May 13, 2023 at 7:52 p.m.
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Terrible trade for the caps. Love Marner but he’s not worth Wilson, Kuzy, and 8OA


Wilson's best years are behind him and Kuzy isn't worth half his contract with his production and "personnal issues". Gonna cost way more for 2 years of a 100 pts player.

I could make it the WAS 2024 1st instead, and have Toronto's fans complaining instead.
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May 13, 2023 at 7:59 p.m.
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Garland and Boeser are both top 6 players. Podkolzin and Hoglander have the potential to be. Beauvillier and Mikheyev both played great (partly because Pettersson elevated them but still were good fits)


Suuure. You lost me at Garland LMAO
May 13, 2023 at 8:05 p.m.
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So why exactly do the Canucks trade your their top prospect and a top 12 pick to upgrade at right wing? Makes no sense. Wingers are the least of our worries. Defence, and prospects are. Terribly thought out trade.
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May 13, 2023 at 8:07 p.m.
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Suuure. You lost me at Garland LMAO

Garland is a very good player. He would be 6th on the Leafs on points. Last time I checked, there are 6 players in the top 6. He also put up those points playing with bottom 6/AHL callups
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May 13, 2023 at 8:10 p.m.
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Suuure. You lost me at Garland LMAO


In 2021/22 he was 29th in 5v5 points, above players such as Conner, Rantanen, Forsberg, Nylander, B Tkachuk, Zibanejad, Debrincat, and Tavares. And he had a higher 5v5 P/60 than McDavid, Draisaitl, Pastrnak, Ehlers, J Hughes, Barkov, Panarin, Ovechkin, and Guentzel

Struggled a bit last year but played a lot better under Tocchet
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May 13, 2023 at 8:17 p.m.
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In 2021/22 he was 29th in 5v5 points, above players such as Conner, Rantanen, Forsberg, Nylander, B Tkachuk, Zibanejad, Debrincat, and Tavares. And he had a higher 5v5 P/60 than McDavid, Draisaitl, Pastrnak, Ehlers, J Hughes, Barkov, Panarin, Ovechkin, and Guentzel

Struggled a bit last year but played a lot better under Tocchet


Hahahahaha

You are comparing a 27 y.o. with ONE 20 goals season and ONE 50 points season to who!?!?!?!?
May 13, 2023 at 8:21 p.m.
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Hahahahaha

You are comparing a 27 y.o. with ONE 20 goals season and ONE 50 points season to who!?!?!?!?


Never said he was better. Just pointing out that in 2021/22 at 5v5 he was elite, and is definitely a top 6 winger
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May 13, 2023 at 8:24 p.m.
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Never said he was better. Just pointing out that in 2021/22 at 5v5 he was elite, and is definitely a top 6 winger


Dude you killed me, I'm done. Cherry pick whatever you want to make you believe a 5'10" 165lbs 40 points player is top 6 material. I can't be more sad for you than that.

Imagine having a player worth 2 top 6 players...
May 13, 2023 at 8:29 p.m.
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Dude you killed me, I'm done. Cherry pick whatever you want to make you believe a 5'10" 165lbs 40 points player is top 6 material. I can't be more sad for you than that.

Imagine having a player worth 2 top 6 players...


Just because he’s small doesn’t mean he’s not a good player lol. Had 46 points in a season where he struggled. 52 points the season before. And a 65 point pace his last season in Arizona.

Also he would have been 6th on Toronto in points this season, but he wouldn’t be a top 6 player for them?
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May 13, 2023 at 9:06 p.m.
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Suuure. You lost me at Garland LMAO


Garland would have been the 6th highest scoring forward on the leafs. ALL of Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, and Boeser had a higher PPG then Bunting as well. That's 4 top 6 wingers. We don't need wingers
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May 13, 2023 at 11:17 p.m.
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Wilson's best years are behind him and Kuzy isn't worth half his contract with his production and "personnal issues". Gonna cost way more for 2 years of a 100 pts player.

I could make it the WAS 2024 1st instead, and have Toronto's fans complaining instead.


Over the final 20 Games if this season (so the entire time since he came back from injury) Wilson scored at the highest rate of his career. His best years are absolutely not behind him, that’s stupid.

Instead of making it Wsh 2024 1st, why don’t you just forget the whole thing, Washington isn’t going to do it. There’s no need for Marner on the Capitals at his contract.
 
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