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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 17, 2023
Published: May 17, 2023
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  2. Murray, Matt
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  2. 2023 2nd round pick (CBJ)
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
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May 17, 2023 at 8:37 p.m.
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LMFAO love the Wilson trades by the Leaf fan base. “Hey give me $100 and I’ll give you back $20” WHY would Washington ever do this? Imagine making a trade for Wilson and not adding a 1st and adding ZERO prospects. Lol woof


Then have him as your #1 RW
May 17, 2023 at 8:51 p.m.
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That 2nd round pick is pretty much a late 1st and I threw a 3rd in there with a good player that has 3 years of term left. Wilson has 1 year left until UFA. Contract length matters my guy. Also, Washington isn't winning anything they will want to trade Wilson 100% in the offseason or deadline.

Only reason Wilson is ahead of Nylander is for lineup balance. This team has a bunch of jerks on it and I wanted a bigger, tougher one of them to be with Matthews and a faster winger with O'Reilly.
May 17, 2023 at 9:00 p.m.
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Whow, you managed to make all 3 trades horrible for the non Leaf teams.
May 17, 2023 at 9:07 p.m.
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Another guy who doesn't get term+age in deals I see. Doughty has 1 more year than Tavares and they are both still playing well. Heard the ex LA GM (2x cup GM) mention Tavares for Doughty straight across...but that's a bit crazy to me. That's the least likely to actually happen because of Tavares' NMC I don't think he's actually going anywhere unfortunately just tried to make that somewhat realistic.

The Marner+Murray to Colombus is 100% realistic and so is the Wilson trade. The only difference in the Wilson trade may be that they want a Robertson or something instead of Jarnkrok, but this team has the cap room to do it.
May 17, 2023 at 9:32 p.m.
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Another guy who doesn't get term+age in deals I see. Doughty has 1 more year than Tavares and they are both still playing well. Heard the ex LA GM (2x cup GM) mention Tavares for Doughty straight across...but that's a bit crazy to me. That's the least likely to actually happen because of Tavares' NMC I don't think he's actually going anywhere unfortunately just tried to make that somewhat realistic.

The Marner+Murray to Colombus is 100% realistic and so is the Wilson trade. The only difference in the Wilson trade may be that they want a Robertson or something instead of Jarnkrok, but this team has the cap room to do it.


How's Marner and Murray to CBJ realistic? Columbus needs centers, so let's trade our lone reliable center and a top end prospect we hope can be a top 6 C for another super expensive winger that's gonna leave in 2 years. Yep, makes a ton of sense. This has gotta be q troll post.
May 17, 2023 at 9:39 p.m.
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How's Marner and Murray to CBJ realistic? Columbus needs centers, so let's trade our lone reliable center and a top end prospect we hope can be a top 6 C for another super expensive winger that's gonna leave in 2 years. Yep, makes a ton of sense. This has gotta be q troll post.


CBJ have wanted Marner for a long time and who they got in net? The team is garbage and they can afford to take a 1 year risk on a goalie like that to make the Marner deal easier. 100pt selke nominee with 2 years left at a reasonable deal in the current market ain't cheap. You make a decent point about the positions, that could play a part for sure I mostly just looked at trade value for these deals.

I could see Marner and/or Murray going there for sure. More likely one, but a deal like that is possible perhaps with a player or picks difference like a Roslovic in place of one or the 3rd dropped.

Should keep in mind the CBJ GM isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the league we shouldn't pretend he is.
May 17, 2023 at 9:47 p.m.
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CBJ have wanted Marner for a long time and who they got in net? The team is garbage and they can afford to take a 1 year risk on a goalie like that to make the Marner deal easier. 100pt selke nominee with 2 years left at a reasonable deal in the current market ain't cheap. You make a decent point about the positions, that could play a part for sure I mostly just looked at trade value for these deals.

I could see Marner and/or Murray going there for sure. More likely one, but a deal like that is possible perhaps with a player or picks difference like a Roslovic in place of one or the 3rd dropped.

Should keep in mind the CBJ GM isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the league we shouldn't pretend he is.


He also Flat out said trading Jenner was a non starter at the trade deadline, so that's simply not gonna happen. Adding Marner doesn't make them a contender in the next 2 years before he leaves and it severely hurts them long term losing Johnson. Their gold tending duo is already set this year and 1 year of Murray just doesn't do anything for them. CBJ being interested in Marner years ago as an RFA doesn't matter cause the makeup of the team is way different now.

Simply looking at trade value and saying the values are close doesn't mean a trade makes sense. Having 2 years of Marner isn't what CBJ need, especially at the cost of their captain and arguably top prospect. A huge hit to their long term ceiling just to maybe be semi competitive the next 2 years would be absurdly stupid.
May 17, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.
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He also Flat out said trading Jenner was a non starter at the trade deadline, so that's simply not gonna happen. Adding Marner doesn't make them a contender in the next 2 years before he leaves and it severely hurts them long term losing Johnson. Their gold tending duo is already set this year and 1 year of Murray just doesn't do anything for them. CBJ being interested in Marner years ago as an RFA doesn't matter cause the makeup of the team is way different now.

Simply looking at trade value and saying the values are close doesn't mean a trade makes sense. Having 2 years of Marner isn't what CBJ need, especially at the cost of their captain and arguably top prospect. A huge hit to their long term ceiling just to maybe be semi competitive the next 2 years would be absurdly stupid.


"A huge hit to their long term ceiling just to maybe be semi competitive the next 2 years would be absurdly stupid". Oh, you mean like they did just a few years ago?
May 17, 2023 at 9:59 p.m.
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"A huge hit to their long term ceiling just to maybe be semi competitive the next 2 years would be absurdly stupid". Oh, you mean like they did just a few years ago?


Being more likely to miss playoffs than make is a far cry from legitimately contending like when they made TDL moves 4 years ago.

They also didn't do what you're claiming. They gave up a late 1st, 2 2nds, Duclair (who wasn't returning anyway), and a prospect who didn't amount to anything. They didn't mortgage their future and they knew Bob/Panarin were gone after the season, so they made moves to give themselves a better chance. 5-6 teams a year do that.

Regardless, your point in completely irrelevant considering the situations are nowhere near similar. 4 years ago they already had a good team that had a timetable. Now, they're in a rebuild/retool, whatever term you wanna use, that they're committed to and have a fantastic prospect pool they arent gonna disrupt to be slightly better and MAYYBEEEE make playoffs in the short term.
May 17, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.
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That 2nd round pick is pretty much a late 1st and I threw a 3rd in there with a good player that has 3 years of term left. Wilson has 1 year left until UFA. Contract length matters my guy. Also, Washington isn't winning anything they will want to trade Wilson 100% in the offseason or deadline.

Only reason Wilson is ahead of Nylander is for lineup balance. This team has a bunch of jerks on it and I wanted a bigger, tougher one of them to be with Matthews and a faster winger with O'Reilly.


Wilson will be re-signed and the caps 100% will not want to move him. Only way he’s moved is if someone way overpays and this isn’t close.
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May 17, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.
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Being more likely to miss playoffs than make is a far cry from legitimately contending like when they made TDL moves 4 years ago.

They also didn't do what you're claiming. They gave up a late 1st, 2 2nds, Duclair (who wasn't returning anyway), and a prospect who didn't amount to anything. They didn't mortgage their future and they knew Bob/Panarin were gone after the season, so they made moves to give themselves a better chance. 5-6 teams a year do that.

Regardless, your point in completely irrelevant considering the situations are nowhere near similar. 4 years ago they already had a good team that had a timetable. Now, they're in a rebuild/retool, whatever term you wanna use, that they're committed to and have a fantastic prospect pool they arent gonna disrupt to be slightly better and MAYYBEEEE make playoffs in the short term.


That's the wrong way of looking at that situation completely. They had UFAs they knew were going and instead of trading them and looking to the future, they gave up futures betting on a middling team. More likely to see a bunch of teams making that decision than what Colombus did. So they lost the futures you mentioned and the futures from potential Panarin and Bobrovsky trades. The organization is a dumpster fire.
May 17, 2023 at 10:08 p.m.
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Wilson will be re-signed and the caps 100% will not want to move him. Only way he’s moved is if someone way overpays and this isn’t close.


Wishful thinking. The Caps aren't a playoff team and at least right now they don't look like they will be one next year either. Tom Wilson is a UFA in 1 year, why wouldn't they trade him to get some value? You can argue someone else will pay more I guess but he has a M-NTC so who knows what they get.
May 17, 2023 at 10:12 p.m.
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That's the wrong way of looking at that situation completely. They had UFAs they knew were going and instead of trading them and looking to the future, they gave up futures betting on a middling team. More likely to see a bunch of teams making that decision than what Colombus did. So they lost the futures you mentioned and the futures from potential Panarin and Bobrovsky trades. The organization is a dumpster fire.


Yeah, this is definitely a troll lmao. We can play what if with literally every decision that didn't result in a cup for every team if you wanna go that route.

Calling that Columbus team middling though is just flat out false. They had the best post TDL record in the league and Tuuka literally turned into Jesus to stop them from getting to the ECF. Speaking of which, if you wanna play the stupid namecalling game, this "dumpster fire" has gotten closer to said ECF than Toronto has in the past 2 decades and even beat them in the postseason recently 😂😂😂

It is pretty sad to get so butthurt about someone (rightfully) saying your trade proposal is bad and would never happen though.
May 17, 2023 at 10:15 p.m.
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Wishful thinking. The Caps aren't a playoff team and at least right now they don't look like they will be one next year either. Tom Wilson is a UFA in 1 year, why wouldn't they trade him to get some value? You can argue someone else will pay more I guess but he has a M-NTC so who knows what they get.


The caps could have one more run in them.

However the team would be better off selling assets and rebuilding but as long as Ovi is playing it won’t happen.

So even though it makes sense to do so, they won’t move him
May 17, 2023 at 10:18 p.m.
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As we’ve tried to explain to you Leafs fans that doesn’t seem to sink in: Columbus were interested in Marner with an offer sheet as a final piece addition when they still had PLD, Panarin, and Atkinson up front, and Bob in net behind an excellent Jones/Werenski first pair. They have moved on in the five years since then. The team’s needs have shifted because unlike the Leafs who haven’t made any changes when they were warranted, Jarmo is reshaping his team. Trading for Marner now when Laine and Gaudreau are already here is putting lipstick on a pig. A dead pig.

No rebuilding team is giving you multiple high-caliber futures for anyone. Marner isn’t a foundational core piece, he’s a luxury finishing piece. He loves being a Leaf. Keep him. He’s not the problem with your roster.
May 17, 2023 at 10:21 p.m.
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Yeah, this is definitely a troll lmao. We can play what if with literally every decision that didn't result in a cup for every team if you wanna go that route.

Calling that Columbus team middling though is just flat out false. They had the best post TDL record in the league and Tuuka literally turned into Jesus to stop them from getting to the ECF. Speaking of which, if you wanna play the stupid namecalling game, this "dumpster fire" has gotten closer to said ECF than Toronto has in the past 2 decades and even beat them in the postseason recently 😂😂😂

It is pretty sad to get so butthurt about someone (rightfully) saying your trade proposal is bad and would never happen though.


Now that's a troll and a massive cope. That year was one of the worst mismanagements of any team in recent memory. They would actually be an exciting young solid team right now if they didn't mess that really obvious decision up.
May 17, 2023 at 10:23 p.m.
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Now that's a troll and a massive cope. That year was one of the worst mismanagements of any team in recent memory. They would actually be an exciting young solid team right now if they didn't mess that really obvious decision up.


What's that to say of all Toronto's decisions the past 5, 6 years is such a horibly mismanaged team has come closer to a cup than they have in that time.
May 17, 2023 at 10:24 p.m.
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As we’ve tried to explain to you Leafs fans that doesn’t seem to sink in: Columbus were interested in Marner with an offer sheet as a final piece addition when they still had PLD, Panarin, and Atkinson up front, and Bob in net behind an excellent Jones/Werenski first pair. They have moved on in the five years since then. The team’s needs have shifted because unlike the Leafs who haven’t made any changes when they were warranted, Jarmo is reshaping his team. Trading for Marner now when Laine and Gaudreau are already here is putting lipstick on a pig. A dead pig.

No rebuilding team is giving you multiple high-caliber futures for anyone. Marner isn’t a foundational core piece, he’s a luxury finishing piece. He loves being a Leaf. Keep him. He’s not the problem with your roster.


He's not necessarily the problem as much as he's the type of player Toronto does not need as many of as they have now and they need to have a more balanced roster. Plus he just hasn't figured it out well enough in the playoffs.

Wouldn't be the first time an organization stayed in love with a player right or wrong.
May 17, 2023 at 10:24 p.m.
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What's that to say of all Toronto's decisions the past 5, 6 years is such a horibly mismanaged team has come closer to a cup than they have in that time.


You're not wrong, but at least I'm willing to admit it and none of those decisions have been as catastrophic as the CBJ's moves that year.
May 17, 2023 at 10:31 p.m.
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You're not wrong, but at least I'm willing to admit it and none of those decisions have been as catastrophic as the CBJ's moves that year.


Teams bringing in help at the TDL happens for several teams every year. Guess they're all catastrophic failures then. Surely, in a league where only 1/32 teams wins it all, there can't possibly be any measure of success other than the cup. 96.7% of teams just fail every year.
May 17, 2023 at 10:37 p.m.
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Teams bringing in help at the TDL happens for several teams every year. Guess they're all catastrophic failures then. Surely, in a league where only 1/32 teams wins it all, there can't possibly be any measure of success other than the cup. 96.7% of teams just fail every year.


Big cope, I wouldn't say that about most deadline deals at all because most deadline situations are completely different. If you step back and look at that team and their situation objectively, they had no chance before the TDL and didn't do enough to make themselves good enough after to have a chance. When that happened at the time I was completely shocked it was one of the worst deals/overarching team decisions I have seen in my life and it didn't age well either.
May 17, 2023 at 10:39 p.m.
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You're not wrong, but at least I'm willing to admit it and none of those decisions have been as catastrophic as the CBJ's moves that year.


What was catastrophic? Be specific since you’re clearly an expert. There isn’t a Jackets fan out there who wishes they’d traded Panarin and Bob at that deadline, finished tenth worst, and continued to be the same boring Jackets of the two decades leading up to that year. We wouldn’t trade the Lightning sweep for anything. Nothing traded away that year has accomplished anything, or have I missed Lassi Thomson becoming a megastar?

You know what’s a catastrophic failure? A Leafs FO who lost in five to a Columbus team with literally the same record as them going into the Bubble playoffs and then didn’t make any meaningful changes, lost to an even worse Montreal team in even more embarrassing fashion the next year, STILL made no meaningful changes, lost again in slightly more respectable way to the Lightning, made no meaningful changes, and now got obliterated by Florida. That’s a slow catastrophe.
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May 17, 2023 at 10:39 p.m.
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Big cope, I wouldn't say that about most deadline deals at all because most deadline situations are completely different. If you step back and look at that team and their situation objectively, they had no chance before the TDL and didn't do enough to make themselves good enough after to have a chance. When that happened at the time I was completely shocked it was one of the worst deals I have seen in my life and it didn't age well either.


They lost in 6 to a Boston team who got .950 goaltending in the series and then lost game 7 in the cup final. Pretending that Columbus team wasn't a legitimate threat is either a result of lack of knowledge or refusal to do anything other that "dur Columbus bad"
May 17, 2023 at 10:47 p.m.
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They lost in 6 to a Boston team who got .950 goaltending in the series and then lost game 7 in the cup final. Pretending that Columbus team wasn't a legitimate threat is either a result of lack of knowledge or refusal to do anything other that "dur Columbus bad"


You can't go off of where the teams they lost to went. If that's the case the Leafs lost to Habs (cup final), Lightning (cup final), Bruins (cup final), etc. and you would be calling the Leafs even better for losing in 7 to all of them with that logic.

That team was not good enough to bet on at all, the goalie was great, D not good enough, and forward core was very good but not deep enough for a cup.
May 17, 2023 at 10:48 p.m.
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What was catastrophic? Be specific since you’re clearly an expert. There isn’t a Jackets fan out there who wishes they’d traded Panarin and Bob at that deadline, finished tenth worst, and continued to be the same boring Jackets of the two decades leading up to that year. We wouldn’t trade the Lightning sweep for anything. Nothing traded away that year has accomplished anything, or have I missed Lassi Thomson becoming a megastar?

You know what’s a catastrophic failure? A Leafs FO who lost in five to a Columbus team with literally the same record as them going into the Bubble playoffs and then didn’t make any meaningful changes, lost to an even worse Montreal team in even more embarrassing fashion the next year, STILL made no meaningful changes, lost again in slightly more respectable way to the Lightning, made no meaningful changes, and now got obliterated by Florida. That’s a slow catastrophe.


If you're asking what was catastrophic I don't know what to tell you. They bet on a middling team in a year when everyone good wanted out at the end of their deals, they knew it, didn't trade them for a ransom anyways, gave up even more futures getting an expiring deal, and have stunk ever since. You guys didn't just lose those futures, you also lost everything you could have got for Bob, Panarin, Duc, etc

Leafs have had their issues for sure, but not that bad with this group. Interesting that even worse Habs team made the cup final when the Leafs captain got his head knocked off his body in game 1 and the CBJ didn't.
 
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